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When they come to my house in October, they sure don't like my Halloween decorations. They also didn't like it when they came over and I was leaving to donate blood. You know that I had to let them know that I was doing that. As my blood is sacred... I give it willingly to save the life of a human... Humans being also sacred to me. |
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Edited by
sail2awe
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Fri 08/21/09 01:24 PM
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They got a couple of things right, hell is merely the grave, same word is translated hell, grave, and pit in the OT. Paul only used the word once, & that would be in 1 Cor.15. They do not believe in one Lord. They do not believe that Christ is God manifest in the flesh fulfilling OT Scripture. They do not believe they are overcomers who are to inherit the heavenly city, even though they quote the number of overcomers as being 144,000. They don't have an answer for having more than 144,000 members either. The do not believe in taking the context of Scripture into account if it goes against their beliefs. They don't believe what Paul wrote, that with the revelation of the mystery (secret) that God's Word was completed. They believe that God does have more to say but only to them, so although they will quote Paul when it suits them, they don't believe what Paul writes anyways. And so they need to by default also dismiss what the other apostles wrote, seeing as how they upheld Paul's status as an apostle sent from God. In other words, they contradict both themselves as well as Scripture. That is not what they tell me when we talk, nor what their books pronounce, rather, they believe they will inherit the earth. Not heaven. The Bible does not reveal that everyone will be resurrected on the earth, nor in the heavenly city which comes down to the earth, nor up in the heavenly places. There are, in this Book, at least three spheres of blessing, each independent and with their own instructins and practice. It is the mixing of all these things together which causes so great a confusion, even though we have the instructions that there are 'better things', things 'more excellent', and to 'rightly divide the word of truth. If some things are more excellent then they cannot be the same. Heaven is not the earth or the other way around. These JW's do not even believe themselves to be overcomers who shall live in that heavenly city which comes down to the earth, no, they believe they inherit the earth in resurrection. It is the meek, and not some other group who God has chosen and foreordained, who will inherit the earth. Other people have a different 'hope', 'calling', and 'adoption' (these three words are often found within immediate context of one another) - which God Himself has made different. Earth Heavenly City up in the heavenly places 3 spheres of blessings. Nothing about going to heaven in the OT, nor in the Gospels, nor in the Acts of the apostles. Only after Acts do we find Paul a prisoner for all nations, whose inheritance adoption hope and calling are up in the heavenly places. God has made these division while man tries to make them all mean the same thing. Revelation contains more than 285 OT quotes, bringing to light, revelation, that which has been written in the OT. Paul claims, on the other hand, to have a two fold ministry, and announces that God had kept a secret that only after Acts 28:28 sent the salvation of God to the nations but now is made known. It is this secret, called the mystery, which Paul claims was hid in God from generations of men and from ages of time is that which completes, Greek pleroo, completes the Word of God. If we disregard Paul's Holy Spirit inspired writing then we must also disregard all the other apostles because they stood of for Paul's apostleship. Moreover, Paul wrote more than half of the NT. Paul was not one of the apostles of Pentecost, and Paul continued in persecuting that church for years and years. |
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So u are saying Yahshua's coming was to the heathan?
I would like to know where it says this at. Shalom...Miles |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's.
They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door! Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back. |
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I know,I was one. Honest truth here no judgement just truth. They have a major issue with the deity of Jesus. They consider Him to be a created being like everyone else except God. Yet the N.T. tells us differently. Their version of the gospels have subtle changes in the text so that it doesn't conflict with what they believe. The Gospel of John is a major problem for them because it clearly states: 1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2-He was with God in the beginning. 3-Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4-In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5-The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it. Also: 14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. They can't comprehend the full nature of God so they try to limit his abilities to suit them. As far as the blood issue is concerned, God forbade the Israelite's from drinking blood in the O.T. & I think they carried their concern over protecting blood forward from there. It's an unfortunate belief because of the needless deaths that have occurred due to a lack of blood transfusions. The only "144,000 are going to heaven" is a total misinterpretation of the text. It clearly says in the Book of Revelation, that the 144,000 are going to be virgin male Hebrews. No J-W is a Hebrew. They think the New Earth will be the desired place to be, when before leaving this world Jesus said He was going back to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Jesus wants us to dwell with Him in His presence, in His Father's house. |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door! Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back. |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door! Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back. Legally they have the right, morally, they should leave me in peace, and not try to force me to listen to their nonsense. Not that the constitution has anything to do with it. Especially as i am not American. |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception. |
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I know,I was one. Honest truth here no judgement just truth. They have a major issue with the deity of Jesus. They consider Him to be a created being like everyone else except God. Yet the N.T. tells us differently. Their version of the gospels have subtle changes in the text so that it doesn't conflict with what they believe. The Gospel of John is a major problem for them because it clearly states: 1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2-He was with God in the beginning. 3-Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4-In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5-The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it. Also: 14-The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. They can't comprehend the full nature of God so they try to limit his abilities to suit them. As far as the blood issue is concerned, God forbade the Israelite's from drinking blood in the O.T. & I think they carried their concern over protecting blood forward from there. It's an unfortunate belief because of the needless deaths that have occurred due to a lack of blood transfusions. The only "144,000 are going to heaven" is a total misinterpretation of the text. It clearly says in the Book of Revelation, that the 144,000 are going to be virgin male Hebrews. No J-W is a Hebrew. They think the New Earth will be the desired place to be, when before leaving this world Jesus said He was going back to Heaven to prepare a place for us. Jesus wants us to dwell with Him in His presence, in His Father's house. |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." If they like being treated with respect, tell them not to knock on my door! Nobody has the right to knock on someone elses door to preach religion. THAT is disrespectful. When someone disrespects me, i have the complete right to be disrespectful back. Legally they have the right, morally, they should leave me in peace, and not try to force me to listen to their nonsense. Not that the constitution has anything to do with it. Especially as i am not American. |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception. Thanks. From what I've read, people won't be on a "paradise earth". |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. No, thanks. At what age did you quit being JW? |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. It is taken from the bible and translated... yet another version of scriptures subjective to interpretation and perception. |
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When they come to my house in October, they sure don't like my Halloween decorations. They also didn't like it when they came over and I was leaving to donate blood. You know that I had to let them know that I was doing that. As my blood is sacred... I give it willingly to save the life of a human... Humans being also sacred to me. |
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If they don't believe in hell, what do they believe? I don't understand this. It's not in the Bible. No, thanks. At what age did you quit being JW? |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." i know many as well and it matters not who one is they deserve respect till they prove otherwise |
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I have several step-brothers and sister that are JW's. They are good and sincere people. Like any other guest that comes to my door, I treat them with respect. And tell them "Thank You, but no thanks." i know many as well and it matters not who one is they deserve respect till they prove otherwise |
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