Topic: The 2nd amendment right to bear arms...
AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:21 PM




how many of you think that every single american should be allowed to walk around with a gun in their pocket?


What is the other extreme side of this coin, no guns anywhere at all?

Ask Plaxico Burress what happens when you carry a gun in your pocket. I hope his foot feels better.

I'm fine with concealed carry laws as long as a thorough psychological evaluation is part of the licensing requirement for each weapon.


if guns should be issued only upon a license... why is it written into the constitustion as a "right" ?

(forgive my ignorance, i'm not american and that part of your constitution genuinely baffles me)





:smile: Americans don't go by our Constitution anymore Jasmine.:smile: We just SAY we do.:smile:The law pretty much does what it wants:smile:And it mostly wants $$$$$ :smile:

Just takes most Americans a bit before there dander get up. Once it does it can be a real problem.

some of us are there already.

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:22 PM

even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:24 PM





how many of you think that every single american should be allowed to walk around with a gun in their pocket?


What is the other extreme side of this coin, no guns anywhere at all?

Ask Plaxico Burress what happens when you carry a gun in your pocket. I hope his foot feels better.

I'm fine with concealed carry laws as long as a thorough psychological evaluation is part of the licensing requirement for each weapon.


if guns should be issued only upon a license... why is it written into the constitustion as a "right" ?

(forgive my ignorance, i'm not american and that part of your constitution genuinely baffles me)





:smile: Americans don't go by our Constitution anymore Jasmine.:smile: We just SAY we do.:smile:The law pretty much does what it wants:smile:And it mostly wants $$$$$ :smile:

Just takes most Americans a bit before there dander get up. Once it does it can be a real problem.

some of us are there already.



:smile: When it personally affects them:smile:I suspect it may have always been this way.:smile:

JasmineInglewood's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:25 PM


even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:32 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 08/12/09 11:33 PM



even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?
:smile: We dont go by that anymore anyways.:smile: Any (honest)law student can tell you that.:smile: Its just something that makes some people feel better.:smile:A false sense of security:smile:Makes them think they still have choices:smile:I'm being honest with you,Jasmine.:smile:And for a lot of Americans the truth hurts.:smile: But the truth is,its all about the $$$$$$.:smile:And maybe it always was:smile:A nice place to do business:smile:

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:33 PM



even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?

Just in case the government might decide to become bigger than the people...

Or set themselves up to make god like decisions...

instead of as the government of a nation UNDER god.

JasmineInglewood's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:35 PM




even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?
:smile: We dont go by that anymore anyways.:smile: Any (honest)law student can tell you that.:smile: Its just something that makes some people feel better.:smile:A false sense of security:smile:Makes them think they still have choices:smile:I'm being honest with you,Jasmine.:smile:And for a lot of Americans the truth hurts.:smile: But the truth is,its all about the $$$$$$.:smile:And maybe it always was:smile:A nice place to do business:smile:


ok, ok. i understand what you're saying but what about your own feelings? do you think americans SHOULD follow the constitution and allow everybody to carry a gun?

JasmineInglewood's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:40 PM
Edited by JasmineInglewood on Wed 08/12/09 11:45 PM




even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?

Just in case the government might decide to become bigger than the people...

Or set themselves up to make god like decisions...

instead of as the government of a nation UNDER god.


what about in the case of where the government simply did something a lot of people didn't like...

for example, inaugurate a black president... spock

edit - i said "elect a black president" before... but obviously the government doesn't "elect" anybody bigsmile

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:46 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 08/12/09 11:53 PM





even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?
:smile: We dont go by that anymore anyways.:smile: Any (honest)law student can tell you that.:smile: Its just something that makes some people feel better.:smile:A false sense of security:smile:Makes them think they still have choices:smile:I'm being honest with you,Jasmine.:smile:And for a lot of Americans the truth hurts.:smile: But the truth is,its all about the $$$$$$.:smile:And maybe it always was:smile:A nice place to do business:smile:


ok, ok. i understand what you're saying but what about your own feelings? do you think americans SHOULD follow the constitution and allow everybody to carry a gun?



:smile: YES:smile: But money is what matters:smile:

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:49 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 08/12/09 11:53 PM
:smile: But its not so bad.:smile: I used to envy people in the past.:smile: But now I think maybe it always was this way.:smile:Maybe this really is the best it getsdrinkerI am sure it could be worse:smile:

no photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:52 PM

how many of you think that every single american should be allowed to walk around with a gun in their pocket?

edit - spelling of bear embarassed . thanks geckgo :tongue:
Nope.....not all people should be allowed. Crazy people with mental illnesses, mentally retarded people, women with pms!!!explode noway laugh

no photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:53 PM
<----should never own a gun!!! I'd kill someone!!!explode noway

JasmineInglewood's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:53 PM
interesting...

thanks for your insight flowerforyou

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:54 PM





even if you don't anymore... it'd still be nice to know what your forefathers were thinking ohwell




:smile: They were thinking Indians and bandits and British:smile:


why is it still part of your constitution today then?

Just in case the government might decide to become bigger than the people...

Or set themselves up to make god like decisions...

instead of as the government of a nation UNDER god.


what about in the case of where the government simply did something a lot of people didn't like...

for example, inaugurate a black president... spock

edit - i said "elect a black president" before... but obviously the government doesn't "elect" anybody bigsmile

We made it through that just fine... I never had a problem with 'black'.

I do have a HUGH problem with spending into debt...

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:56 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 08/13/09 12:09 AM
flowerforyou I could say a lot more..........ohwell

Rasmus916's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:56 PM
Honestly, as an American, who can see himself going clinically insaine as the old senile "go team America" fanatic. I am all for the right to bear arms, but please remember, when you use those arms to take away someone life (life liberty and the persuit of happiness if I am not mistaken) you are now taking away someones rights. You are still breaking the constitution, I forget exactly how the wording goes, I am a dumb plumber, not a politician

On the flip side, I do believe some people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns, not even squirt guns. It all falls under my philosophy of stupidity should be painful, very painful.

But then again with that philosophy, I would have been dead YEARS ago. And yes... my gravestone probably will say death by stupidity.

adj4u's photo
Wed 08/12/09 11:58 PM
my response to questions on gun control is as follows:

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,

deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,

laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

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****WHO IS GOING TO HOLD THE GOVT ACOUNTABL AND ENFORCE THE DECALRATION OF INDEPENDANCE

ENTER THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

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U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment

Second Amendment - Bearing Arms

Amendment Text | Annotations

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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DEFINITIONS

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Main Entry: in•fringe
Pronunciation: in-'frinj
Function: verb
Inflected Forms: in•fringed; in•fring•ing
Etymology: Medieval Latin infringere, from Latin, to break, crush, from in- in + frangere to break
transitive verb : to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed —U.S. Constitution amendment II>; especially : to violate a holder's rights under (a copyright, patent, trademark, or trade name) intransitive verb : ENCROACH —in•fring•er noun
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

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to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

en•croach (n-krch)
intr.v. en•croached, en•croach•ing, en•croach•es
1. To take another's possessions or rights gradually or stealthily: encroach on a neighbor's land.
2. To advance beyond proper or former limits: desert encroaching upon grassland.
3. Football To commit encroachment.

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peo•ple (ppl)
n. pl. people
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo•ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/people

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SO IF THE GOVT INFRINGES (see DEFINITIONS)

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE (SEE DEFINITIONS)

TO BEAR ARMS

WHO IS GOING TOENFORCE THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
WHEN THE GOVT BEGINS ABUSING THEIR POWERS

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

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AND BEGIN RESTRICTING THE

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men

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WHO WILL STEP IN AND REMOVE THE

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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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AND INSTITUTE THE NEW GOVT

DO YOU THINK THE GOVT IS GOING TO DO IT

IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE

AND TO DO SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED

AN UNARMED PEOPLE ARE SLAVE TO THOSE IN POWER

AND THE GOVT ARE THE MASTERS

WHICH IS NOT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE

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deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


no photo
Thu 08/13/09 12:00 AM
<------hella bad with A super soaker!!!pitchfork

no photo
Thu 08/13/09 12:00 AM
WATCH OUT AMERICA......YOUR GONNA GET WET!!!pitchfork

JasmineInglewood's photo
Thu 08/13/09 12:01 AM
that was just an example adventurebegins. i'm not saying that many people have a problem with it today... at least i hope not.

but the idea that every american should carry a gun in order to be able to resort to brute force if their government does something they do not like concerns me... spock