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yea it needs to be a collective or our kids will kill us! lmao!!
i guess as mothers we have to choose clearly with no flex. NO YOU ABSOLUTELY MAY NOT DRINK THAT BLEACH!!!!! lmao! |
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I think it takes a lot of love, to teach somebody to unlearn these
things, things that have been manifested in our brains through media and the world we live in. It will not happen from today to tomorrow though, it is a slow process that needs patience. |
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Good evening/morning/afternoon Alex, Lee, Andrea, Fred, AB,
Zap! |
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Evening, kid!
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Harry.
To unlearn, I wonder.... For I was a product of generations prior 'hangovers', the Victorian regimancy of the 1920's through my paternal grandparents, the Doctor Spock era of the 1950's from my parents, the whole 1960's 70's love peace and brown rice, within my social structures of friends, and their parents... and then school...an archaic and un changed constitution, with only deciamal, and currency as the changes within my learning structures. lessons my parnets had learnt, within school. So the opportunity to be programmed, was huge, the potential for oppression...vast. And somehow, I have 'unlearnt' these programmes...somehow, they are being deleted from my hard drive. So the potential is possible...the desire, the will, the hunger....is there...to NOT DRINK THE BLEACH !! |
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I have some serious dyslexia...a glitch in my hard drive
today...processors working over time.. |
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I found this...or rather it found me, yesterday whilst in the salt
mines.. "Nothing we ever do goes unnoticed There are traces of me in you, and you in me And whatever the evening news may say It's getting better day by day Step by step, little by little Decisions made by common people Like you and me Are made for eternity.. So WE CAN change the world" It is from "Quantum Knowledge" a publication.. And paint me idealistic, and optimistic, all the colours...for it is what I do believe. |
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and it is not so easy when the peer groups of both parents and children
see NOTHING WRONG with playing war games or shoot em up cowboy and indians...ugh.... how long have we poisoned our children with these stereotypes!!?? we invented their heros!! and then we blame them for acting out. Andrea it will take a long time but actions can be taken and effective now. BOYCOTT WAR TOYS and educate child care givers and begin in itiatives to reprogram our way of thinking. war is not healthy for children or other living things. i have active initiatives boycotting war toys...some years ago we got banned a whole range of toys that were all war toys and guns that looked to real for any of us to be comfortable with. we had them blacklisted....all over the country... you will never see these toys sold here. (from this particular manufacturer) no one here really cares or knows much about the fads and trends that america eats up like a obese child....and there are many. we have never been in a walmart. hope i never do. we do not buy into consumer madness as americans do. over there it's like if it's new everybody has to own one whether they like it or not. owning stuff has become more important than being someone. when you approach the org.'s that already support a non-violent lifestyle, anthroposophic org.s and such, green peace, amnesty int. war child you can find many ways to become involved in eradicating some of the useless and overboard out of proportion manufacturing of inappropriate toys and games. when enoug boycott and they actuall lose money?? THEY WILL ADOPT NEW LURES, STRATEGIES TO SELL THE CONSUMER. YOU THE CONSUMER MUST CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ...NOT the toy store or the manufacturers dictating what you must have . believe me when they see a toy become unpopular they quickly abandon it. our initial peer groups develope with our toys...do you want to play with me? i have the coolest toy! whether the toys become adult or remain in the toy box we are selecting each other based on what we have...rather than who we are. but as a little kid , how can you be able to know who someone is yet??? well if they have cool toys who cares? let this all roll around in your heads for a minute ... more coffee!! my turn now! lol |
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Taking responsibility?
Turning off the computer, the video games, the computer games, unplugging the tv??? Remove these programmes of heroes and battles, and cyber synthesised war manoeuvres??? But what will our children do??? Who will become their heroes??? Who will entertain them, when I just want five minutes to myself??? (In reality more like an hour or two) I can hear the outcries, and the outrage, from here. Stepping up to the plate, and really parenting our young, that ole 'walk the walk' thing.. Teaching them, showing them, leading them by example, not 'passing the buck', or the remote, or the wallet... Sitting down with them, and veiwing their age appropriate programmes, and really seeing them for what they are, and the subliminal messaging that is added to each advertisement, each cliquey, fashionable new programme, new toy, new 'must have'...and then saying NO. No MORE. This is not ok, for my child, it is not ok for me. Protecting our young from the sensation overload being poured into their developing minds. Encouraging instead imagination, based on morals, and ethics, and playing with them. Being in the moment with your child, being the same parent who watched them with bated breath as they took that first wobbly step, scanning for all the sharp corners waiting to leap out at that precious child. It doesn't end, ever, there are sharp edges waiting to harm our young, as they take tentative steps into the different stages of their development. |
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That's where I see a problem.
These people that can't live without tv, don't know what else to do with themselves. Both my exes were like that, and me? I hate tv, haven't watched in ages and have given mine away. But my son had to grow up with the two extremes, either tv all the time or no tv at all. I'd rather take him out in the park, to the playground, or discover his hometown, and my then husband came home, tv on, doing nothing. |
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It is a huge responsibility...this kid thing...
I never let my sons play with toy guns...ever! Much to the shagrin of my own mother, who was an avid hunter...oh yes we had many a heated discussion on it, especially around deer season...lol And when my boys became teens and started copping an attitude, that's when I bought a one room cabin on 10 acres, with no electricity and no running water and only a fireplace and a wood cookstove to heat...they were 14 and 15 at the time...The nintendo and games were packed in a box...I was very unpopular for about 2 months...and then all of a sudden a change in attitude came...instead of *****ing about having to run to the outhouse in the snow, they worked on how to keep themselves warm when going... Instead of complaining about water, they learned to conserve the water we packed home... Instead of complaining about being bored, they picked up books and started writing... They learned how to build walls, so that they could have their own rooms.... Chopping and hauling wood became sport to see who could do the most... It was a long long year! And they were so appreciative when I finally agreed to get electricity and water, but they earned it... During that year we got word, that they had lost their father who had left when they were babies...never to be seen again...But now..they had become the men of the house so to speak...and had taken their responsibilities well.... My youngest son, spent time in the Army, so yes he has picked up a gun...My oldest has never...Are they men? Absolutely.... I am proud of my boys... Oh yes, it's a big responsibility.... |
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Thanks JJ...
My story is similar, except that my children were born in that one room cabin with no electricity, and no running water... For 13 years their young minds knew no different, if they visited my parents, or others who were 'civilised', tv held fascination for maybe half an hour, then their bodies kicked in, and kicked up, and they were out!!! So, in point, just looking at five women who have posted here, Alex, Red, Andrea, JJ and myself, from the US, Amsterdam, Germany, and then Ireland, and Australia. Five women from different upbringings, all chose similar paths, similar ways to raise our young... We are doing it...it is happening... It will not be all women, and men, it is the nature of things... But with this tiny snapshot, here, five stories all very similar..in raising our young.. It is possible...there is no limit.. |
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Thank you Lee....I find all this very interesting...and am enjoying the
thread immensley... Yes it is possible! All things are possible if we choose it... |
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when i was young my brother and i received boxing gloves for a xmas
present,my brother is 5yrs younger than me i love my little brother he loves me.cant ever remember watt happened to those boxing gloves i think they went mouldy in their box |
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That's a great story....my sons are 14 months apart and
certainly had their boxing times, without the gloves! Thank goodness I was a tomboy! |
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Good morning, everyone...
Isn't this a truly wonderful thread? I am hoping to be able to post a bit later on. Love you all. Oceans |
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Hi Oceans! Have a great day...and yes I agree...great thread!
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My eldest son and I practised Mu thai, a form of kick boxing, and also
conventional boxing...he needed a way to use his energy...he was still male, and enjoyed the whole adrenalin rush, risk taking challenges, of a teen... It was just harnessing, and channeliing those urges to express his physicality into useful and non violent ways. Yes boxing is violent, I wore many a bruised rib, and the odd black eye, but I gave as many as I got. He took up water skiing, surfing, (which is a family sport anyway), motorcrosse, and many other gender related sports, his need to challenge himself physically was huge. There were times, he was snap tempered and leant towards violence...but his disciplines, and teachings, within boxing, became his hand brake. My youngest son, is more contemplative, and as the steady march of puberty arrives, he has wandered into Aikkido as a sport, of contact, and skill...he also has taken up AFL, and although not a physical child by nature, his maleness and desire to be more physical, and challenge his body, is also being channelled in productive ways. I do not dent, males genetically, and inherantly, have strong desires for physical challenges...as do many women... iIt is the productive use of these, that do not encourage or embody violence, and the use of weapons, that I strive for.... And yes my eldest picked up a gun also, when he joined the Army, and yes, understands the power, and the death attached to them now. |
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I think that's awesome Lee...
We spent alot of time camping and fishing and canoeing before they copped the teen attitudes so to speak... And have lived in Alaska for 4 years, so we were very much out in the woods... Only when I brought them to a larger city is when the problems began... But I too had them on dirtbikes and backpacking....And my youngest would kill me for this...but he was even taking my oriental dance classes. He took piano and guitar...and karate Where my oldest did the highschool sports...gymnastics and karate I am now beginning Taichi and am very excited about it...wished this available where I lived when they were young.... We had alot of fun together... But within that fun, it did teach them the values that they carry today... |
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