Cool as you can tell Im not totally uninformed and I enjoy debates, but
I keep giving these sources to back my opinion and I get none back. I am
interested in what your nephew thinks. Click this link it is right here
on JSH, I respect what these men have to say too, as Im sure you will...

http://www.justsayhi.com/topic/show/16457

"Have you no concern about the future of the region? No concern
whatsoever about who governs the region?"
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The problem is; that it never was "our" business..How would you feel if
somneone came to the US, and told you how to act, to pray, and to vote??

Gotcha!..Didn't I?

No one can inavde a country to liberate them!!!!

Any other response is mindless!!

Please do not have your nephew worrying about all this. Those men are
supported esp. by me and they need to keep their minds on their own
problems. That being staying alive. They dont need to worry about all
this, I will fight this battle for them.


You know I am all for the war in Afghanistan and the search for bin
laden. I just think Bush threw this war in for his own personal agenda.
I tried to go back in the service after 9-11. There were two things that
caused it not to happen. 1) I was willing to reenlist if they could
qurantee I would serve in Afghanistan (they couldnt) 2) I am too
old..(thats what they said)

I am through with this thread, because I see the one who brought it up
was not interested in what everyone thought about it, but was only
interested in the opinion of the ones who were in agreement with him.
Therefore there is no sense in continuing with it further.....Good
Bye!!!!

Bibby, you might be mistaken. Fanta, I maintain that you need to
regulate the people in Iraq to some extent. having them all account for
their actions and movement temporarily is an important part of getting
the country under civil management.

Do you think the average man on the street would object to everyone
being required to have proper ID and be required to either have gainful
employment or fall into some form of conscription, if it meant that the
insurgents would be made to comply and conform?

The United States is not in there trying to kill everybody who was part
of the previous regime. They are trying to get them to assimilate. That
is a noble effort. Some are fighting the effort. The previously
oppressed portion of the population wants some payback it seems. When
governments change and the replacing government is totalitarian in
nature sometimes there is widespread killing of the opposition. For
examples look at Iran, early USSR, Vietnam, Cambodia, North Korea. Iraq
can go the same way. We have some responsibility to mitigate that. We
also have our own security reasons to do so.

If every man in that country has an ID with enough papers telling who
they are and what they do, and then is expected to live up to their
documentation. They could live free lives in a constructive manner.
Foreign insurgents, stopped on the street, with no papers and no
occupation would be limited in their movement. No papers, then
conscription or prison if they are proven to be anarchists.

So long as you let anyone wander around at will with no obligation to
the state you will have this trouble.

Seriously I know that if they take a census in Iraq, according to the
ways we do, it causes a mass migration of the population to their
families original area. They are named liked that and it has something
to do with their religion. No Im not against them receiving ID's it is a
very effective way to monitor and track the citizens of any population.
I think we should let them handle it in their own manner though, because
we do not understand all the intricacies of their customs or religion.
Therefore I go back to my statement let them handle their own problems.
Or even one of their neighbors if they are incapable of doing it on
their own. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, or yes, even Iran. We should leave, set
a date and then leave, even if they do not solve their own political
problems by that date. We must be serious and they must realize we are
serious, or else they will continue to rely on American Men to fight
their troubles for them. While there leaders plan a 2 month hiatus in
which more than 100 Americans shall die each month. I wonder did George
Washington or the members of the continental Congress take a vacation in
the middle of the Revolutionary War?
At the same time we should be gearing up to find an alternative fuel
supply for our country. If for no other reason, but to prevent future
politician from feeling a need to interfere in their internal affairs or
to be held hostage to their demands.
We actually have a chance to win the war in Afghanistan, but our efforts
are being severely limited by the manpower requirements of the
occupation of Iraq.

OK we have some common ground there. Though I think leaving has to take
some more time. Yes they need to do it on their own, managing their
population, but they need some guidance or perhaps motivation to get it
done. I really would like it if there were a simple way to generate
peace there and no longer lose any soldiers.

i know that it sounds good and is with the best intentions, but, the
iraqi men serving now are as big a threat to us saftey as the ones whom
you proposed to conscript. imagine if you will a brigade full of these
men, on a border, with weapons, at whom do you think these weapons will
be pointed.

hell, the ones who are in now, leave after training and dont come back,
or if they do come back its way late of the time theyre supposed to be
there (you see these men are given regular leave - or time off, every
month or two) when they leave they take their weapons with them, when
they come back they say theyve lost them. so whats the right answer?
deal with the army they have standing up right now. they do not do
things our way, which has proven to work, why dont they do it like we
train them to do, one word LAZY, their higher ups dont want to be
bothered with it, they think it is beneath them and shouldnt have to be
bothered by trivial matters.

i dont have a lot of good things to say about the male gender in iraq,
having witnessed them in action (or lack of) first hand.


doc

That is very informative Doc.
Thanks for the inside view....
Rock on, and keep your head down!