I wonder if Jesus wanderd into this thread....do you think he would agree....do you think people thought he was crazy back in the day to say the things he said!
My mind races as I down another bowl of Fruity Pebbles!

I think if Jesus really believed that his followers could consume poison without ill effect and then they tried and died, and he still believed this regardless of being shown it didn't work, then yes, Id think he was crazy.

Bushi....still hooked on the Jim Jones effect I see.Listen son..I am allergic to Kool Aid!

I have seen evidence of aliens. I have seen evidence of the law of attraction.

You had to be there though.

Actually in the bible it says just that. Jesus claims his followers are able to drink poison and not get sick and not die.

How do you know everything in the Bible is true...who proved it?

People do that every day. Beer, sugar, junk food, drugs, whiskey, Pepsi, etc.

They will probably all die slow and painful deaths.

But what you are referring to is the power of belief. (It does not really have much to do with Jesus.) A hypnotist can convince a person they are drinking poison and give them water and they will get terribly sick, they might even die.

But can that work in reverse? I would not want to be a subject of that experiment. BUT ...

I was working at a tavern once and a guy came in who was an alcoholic who had sank to drinking cheap wine and the bartender gave him what he THOUGHT was some wine.

As it turned out, it was some sort of drain cleaning fluid. It should have killed that guy or at least made him very sick. After the bartender discovered what he had done, he fed the guy some soup and bread but he kept looking for the guy to turn up dead in an alley. The wino came back in the next day, not much different from before, alive and well.

So who knows what the power of belief can do. Still, don't experiment on me.


PS: the guy did mention that it was the worst wine he had ever tasted.

no Jeannie..I was just asking our friend Bushi...who happend to quote the bible...how he knows what is in it is real...who had proven it?
I sense alot of the post here are about proof...so I pose the question again.How do we know what the bible says really happend??

Some people like to use stuff out of the Bible when they think they are talking to "a believer."

I think the Bible is just a bunch of stories. Not proof of anything really.

Again..I am not putting the Bible down..or peoples beliefs...I am just saying to Bushi...if you qouted the Bible with such belief...how do you know it is real...WHO PROVED IT.I see your point Jeannie..but I am seriously curious about Bushi's answer here.I am not setting him up either..I just can't let this one slip away!

This morning I just witnessed proof that the law of attraction as you have described it can't possibly be true.

Yesterday I noticed that the weather was forcasting a frost.

Well, I have tomatoe plants that I wanted to protect from the frost, so I covered with large plastic pots before I went to bed.

So here we have an example of the Law of Attraction being taken seriously.

I'm accepting that the Law of Attraction is TRUE.

I had POSITIVE THOUGHTS to protect my plants from a frost.
I acted on POSITIVE INTENT to protect my plants from frost.
I took POSITIVE ACTION to prevent my plants from frost damage.

In my mind's eye I even visualized all of my plants being perfectly protected and being totally healthy the next morning.

In fact, I was totally under the firm belief that they were indeed protected from this light frost.

I was in in TOTAL BELIEF!

I even made a request to Mother Nature to protect my plants from the frost.

Well, when I woke up this morning, a couple of the plastic pots had been blown over exposing some of the plants to the frost, and those particular plants were totally dead and destroyed.

Fine. So much for having asked Mother Nature to help.

No problem, at least I have the plants that I actually covered right?

Wrong!

To my utter shock and disbelief even the plants that I had covered had been damaged by the frost!!!

And my positive believe and visualization right up to the point of lifting off the pots, was to see perfectly healthy and protected plants!

In fact, I couldn't even believe my EYES!

I had to run around pulling off the pots from all the plants, each time expecting to see a healthy plant, but no way, they had ALL been damanged by the frost!

So what's up with this?

If our THOUGHTS, INTENT, ACTIONS, and BELIEFS are supposed to manifest our reality, then all my tomato plants should have been in perfect health this morning. But instead they are all severely damanged.

What could be the excuse for the Law of Attraction this time?

You keep saying that it's DRIVEN by THOUGHT, INTENT, ACTION, and BELIEF, yet those things were all in place!

You'd have to come up with some totally different REASON and mechanism at WORK for why something ELSE happened other than what I had THOUGHT, INTENDED, took ACTION for and BELIEVED would happen!

But that totally BLOWS away your claim that we create reality by our THOUGHTS, INTENTS, ACTIONS, and BELIEFS!

You say,



Hey, SOMETIMES things work out for me too!

That's not evidence of anything other than the fact that SOMETIMES things work out, and SOMETIMES they don't.

If the Law of Attraction is a LAW of the universe, then it MUST BE CONSISTENT, not just RANDOM CHANCE!

There's no explanation that you could come up with for my tomato plants being damaged by this frost other than to somehow accuse me of not being sincere in my thoguhts, intents, actions, and belief that they would be FINE.

OR,... You'd have to claim that in spite of my CONSCIOUS THOUGHTS, intents, actions, and beliefs, my subconcious mind is out to get me and thwarted my conciouss efforts by subconciously thinking bad thoughts when I wasn't aware of it.

But if that's TRUE, then we're in a hopeless situation because if our subconcious thoughts, that we aren't even AWARE of, can thwart our concious thoughts, intents, and efforts, then we have absolutely NO CONTROL over anything!

In that case the Law of Attraction would be futile knowlege since we could never use it purposefully with intent anyway.

The bottom line here is that I was actually doing everything that the Law of Attraction requires, yet it didn't WORK.

And I was't even testing it. I just realized after the fact that I had actually done everything the Law of Attraction supposedly REQUIRES! I had merely coincidentally fulfilled all of it's requirements, yet it didn't pan out.

I proved it wrong without even INTENDING to do so.

Much to my dismay by the way.

James,

If you had absolute faith that your tomato plants would survive why did you rush out there to put protection all around them? What were you thinking about?

What did you really believe?



You obviously believed the weather forecast.

How many times is the weather forecast accurate? I don't know about you, but it is so inaccurate in my neck of the woods, I only believe it when I see it. I don't believe it in advance.

You were in total believe alright. You totally believed that you needed to take action to prevent the very thing you believed. That was that it was going to frost and your plants would be destroyed.

Let me show you:

"I had POSITIVE THOUGHTS to protect my plants from a frost."

(You were positive it was going to frost. You totally believed this weather forecast.)

"I acted on POSITIVE INTENT to protect my plants from frost."

(Again, you are reaffirming your belief that it was going to frost and that your plants needed protection.)

"I took POSITIVE ACTION to prevent my plants from frost damage."

(Again, you are ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that it was going to frost and that the frost would DAMAGE your plants.)


You are visualizing the frost, the frost damage etc.

Thank you James, you have presented positive proof that your visualization of the frost and the frost damage manifested just as you visualized and believed it would.

(You would have been better off if you had heard a prediction that it was going to be warm and sunny, or had not heard the forecast at all.)

What you are doing is resisting what is. You are visualizing your fear and acting on your fear.

Accept what is. Your resistance only adds to the manifestation, it does not prevent it.

You believed in the frost, and you believed it would damage your plants. YOU TOTALLY BELIEVED THIS AND VISUALIZED IT.

Then, you acted on your fears and beliefs, to resist that which you believed.

In your descriptions of all that you did to resist the predicted frost coming to damage your plants, you even put visual pictures in my head of the frost damaging your plants.

You did not once stop and visualize a nice sunny day did you?

You still don't understand the Law of attraction.

James..it is clear that you have alot to say about disproving this from the long posts...mabey...just mabey...you truly did not believe it would happen.But atleast you gave it a shot!
BTW...do they still make Count Chocula and Frankenberry by you..I can't seem to find them around here!I miss the 70's!

JAMES,
ALSO..
Besides, I would not portend to control the weather with my thoughts alone. There are too many other people thinking about the weather. I am rather uninterested in controlling the weather, and things "out there" in this shared reality.

The WILL is best used to control where you place your attention and what you think about.

Your forced thoughts about saving your plants from the frost, were obviously not enough to change the weather or change your thought and belief in THE FROST DAMAGING YOUR PLANTS.

I was only showing that this was not a new idea, Jim Jones got it straight from the bible only twisted it to his own use.

I am in no way supporting the accuracy of the Bible.

BUT DIDNT YOU KNOW? You can control your subconscious thoughts, and I can show you how, just buy my 10 DVD collection for $99.99 per DVD on how to control your subconscious thoughts.


OHHHH ABRA here is the caveat. Other people are screwing over your thought mojo. Too many people where thinking bad weather thoughts for you to over come them. I mean even you had negative thoughts becuase you actually checked the weather, which you wouldn't have done if you hadn't thought it could possible to change for the worse, or even change at all . . . shoot why have weather when we can all just agree that weather doesn't change.

You know we just need everyone to forget that weather changes, then we have to visualize the new constant weather we want. THEN REALITY CHANGES! BUT if ANYONE thinks about what might happen, and that is different from what we want then its all kaput . . .


I wonder what would happen if we all visualized Jimmy Hoffa hanging out in Harlem.

You miss the whole point.

I never expected to change the weather.

I took action via, thought, intent, and belief, that I could protect my plants FROM the weather. I was never attempting to change the weather at any point!

Based on the Law of Attraction, my positive thoughts, intent, and actions to protect my plants, and my BELIEVE that the plants were indeed PROTECTED is what should have become MANIFEST according to you if there were any truth to the Law of Attraction.



There was absolutely NO FEAR involved at all. That's totally untrue.

I totally believed that the plants would be protected.

I had complete confidence that I would wake up in the morning with completely beautiful healthy tomato plants.

There was absolutely NO FEAR whatsoever in my mind.

On the contrary, I was in TOTAL SHOCK to discover that they hadn't been protected!

Clearly the Law of Attraction did not MANIFEST what I thought, intended, acted on, and believed would be the case!

Therefore, thought, intent, action, and belief cannot possibly be the mechanism that manisfests reality.

Your excuses are truly lame Jeannie.

Truly!

Bushi...do you believe in GOD?Do you believe in religion?Do you believe in the human race.My only point being...nothing is real in less you make it real!Your thoughts decide everything..and the power of that thought can manifest miracles!Everything you see in life was originally a thought first,,,everything!
Of course the thought is first..and that leads to action...but you can't sell the power of thought short.
Unless you are an atheist..I would think you believe in some sort of God...but how do we know it exisits.

So what are you suggesting here Jeannie?

The Law of Attraction teaches blind ignorance? Just shut off the outside world and blindly assume the best?

I thought the Law of Attraction was all about taking purposeful THOUGHT, INTENT, and ACTION to accomplish your goals and dreams?

Now you're suggesting that we're supposed to just ignore all information and just blindly BELIEVE that everything will be just work out to be tooty fruity on its own?

Is that your NEW VERSION of the Law of Attraction?

What happened to taking positive THOUGHT, INTENT, and ACTION?

You seem to now be suggesting that to use the Law of Attraction all we need to do is IGNORE everything and just blindly believe that everything will work out.

This must be the new UPDATED DVD collection?