Nothing wrong with it at all, just know that if you claim something you will be asked to back it up with solid evidence and reason.

Its so easy to sit here and attack me but it only shows the weakness of the claims.

If you can stick to details and evidence then it would at least show maturity. Trying to speak to people motives (no less on why they dont research YOUR pet projects/ ideas lol), or conspiracies about science and scientists just makes it look like a big attempt to obscure the fact that you have nothing to support your claims.

It really is simple.

HANDLEWITHCAUTION your just spouting off now, no real content.

When we change the way we look at things...the things we look at change!

Alot of people say they will believe when they see it....the truth is...you have to believe it to see it!

Careful what you wish for....manifesting thoughts happens with or without your help.Understanding the power of thought and intention has changed my life and continues to do so now.

Namaste!

Positive focused thought leads to positive focused action...

Most of the time...

Depending upon variable outside the mind...

There is no Law of Attraction put into place by some transcendental entity...

It is a re-definition of 'God' for those who have not come to terms with the idea that none exist as has been taught to them. It is a fluffy attempt at merging 'God' and self-determination.

For Pete's sake, let him in the hall... Oooops!!! I mean, for pete's sake, take credit for yourself when you work hard to obtain a goal. Be glad that chance worked out for you in your processes. It is through thought, action, and chance that things manifest.

The whole idea belittles an individual's efforts.

Thought alone does not manifest matter.

Jesus woulda returned long ago if that were true!



I woulda been dead through my worrisome mother's thoughts.





No! When we change the way that we look at things... we look at things differently, and therefore recognize things that were not recognized before. The things themselves did not change!

AAHH..creativesoul..that's what i said when I said the things we look at change.BTW...nothing happens by chance...it is all relevant!

Not what you said...

Read back through this thread...

Earlier it has been clearly shown that pure random chance does exist.

I didn't come on this thread to battle wits with you creativesoul.I wish you all the best and know i truly mean that.My world is just that...my world...when we start looking outside ourselves..then other's opinion's start to shadow your own.Stay in tuned as i know you are...be well and sending you love and light!

Peace...

I want to say that random chance does not dismiss cause and effect, nor relevancy...

They all exist simultaneously.

That is so true Sal. In fact if you don't believe a thing, even if it is considered "real" you will not see it.

Hypnotists have been proving this for years. Just by convincing that a thing is not there, it will become invisible to their subject. It is because they don't believe it is there.

Explain "transcendental."

Are you talking about "God?" Or are you resisting the law of the universe?

Resistance if futile.

Random chance is simply the clash of two separate systems of individual free will. Once they meet, they are forever connected.

I can't imagine any sane intelligent person arguing with the power of thought and intention.

And I totally support motivational philosophies that encourage this.

I think what the people on this forum have difficulty with is Jeanniebeans "fundamentalism" approach to the "Law of Attraction".

You may not be aware of the months of history that have existed on this topic, specifically engaged in JB's hardcore views of how she views the "Law of Attraction"

She presents it as something that goes FAR BEYOND the mere power of thought and intention, to actually proclaim that our thoughts and intentions actually manifest reality.

Clearly that's TRUE in a motivational sense!

If you don't think about, or apply for a job, you'll never become employed.

On the other hand, if all you do is focus on that thought and ACT on fulfilling that thought with INTENT, you'll eventually find a job and become employed.

One could argue from this that employment became manifest by thought and intent (not to mention ACTION).

But clearly thought and intent had to come FIRST otherwise there would have been no ACTION taken.

Still, finding a job is within the realm of mundane possiblities. No need to invent any "Law of Attraction" to recognize that the world is full of opportunities and if we seek we shall find.

However, as far as thought and intent CREATING reality, what Bushidobillyclub and CreativeSoul are trying to suggest is that this is only TRUE within the normal realm of what ALREADY EXISTS!

In other words, we can find a job though thought, intent and ACTION, because Job already EXIST in this world!

However, we can think about pink unicorns all we want and intent to befriend one all we want, and take any action we want, but guess what? Still, no pink unicorns!

Why? Because thought and intent DO NOT CREATE reality.

In other words, why make up a so-called "Law of Attraction" as a phyiscal law of the universe, when in fact all that exists are opporuntities and people who have the ambition and willingness to PURSUE them?

That's all it amounts too.

Hey I agree with you Salvatore! Purposeful thought and intention are POWERFUL tools that we should all use. It's only WISE!

But what does that have to do with any supposed "Law of Attraction".

Why not just call it the "Law of Thought and Intent" and recognize that it just means that if you get off your butt and focus on doing something realistic you'll probably achieve it.

This should already be obvious to everyone without inventing any new supposed "Law of Attraction"

It should be called the: "Law of Just Get Off You're Butt and Do It"

Each man and woman walks there own path here and has there own truth.It tires me to go back and forth with peoples opinions on what they feel is there truth.Abracabra..your point is well taken...I respect your path and your truth...all I'm saying here is..we are individuals comming to our own conclusions about what feels right for each and every one of us.
Which in it's diversity is beautiful!

James, what you need to do is just get off of your soapbox.

If you have a problem with the particular name of this law so be it. Change the name all you want. The law still exists.

You are the one being "hardcore." You put up such resistance to the law because you would rather leave room enough for you to believe that you are a victim of circumstance. Okay be a victim of circumstance. That is what you want. You create what you want, after all.

Also, the idea that you MUST do it all yourself and get up off your butt and take action to bring you want you want is not always true.

The universe and the law of attraction and your subconscious mind all work together to bring you what you think about. What you think about is what you ask for.

For example two months ago I decided I needed ten thousand dollars (extra) and set a deadline date to get it this year. I had no idea how it would come to me. Just focused on it and did what I normally do to earn money from different sources.

Out of the blue I got a check for thirty one hundred dollars. (Having to do with a death benefit of my X-husband.) Then, this week I got a letter in the mail from a non-profit organization to submit a bid to create a website for them and to train some of their people to update it. If they accept my bid, that is another $4300 dollars. I did not go out looking for these things, they just came right to me after I intended to get an extra ten thousand dollars before the end of the year.

You can call that coincidence just like a common skeptic would, but I know better.

Oh well. I'm talking to a wall in here, I know. I've got to get back to my next project. I really wish you the best of happiness.

JB states...



Hence, by absolute belief - one is bound.

If you believe 'a thing' - even though it does not exist - you will see it, even though it does not exist. This goes hand in hand with not believing in that which has been shown to exist.



Outside of the material universe. Spiritual.

salvatore wrote...



I respect and appreciate the nobility in this expression.

The 'truth' being the operative, what constitutes it? That is generally what is being discussed/debated. Is it better to base one's personal truth - reality - upon things which cannot be effectively shown to exist, or that which can? For something to be true requires more than just an unsubstantiated belief. First, the thing must be shown to exist.

I'm with you 100% on that.

I have no desire to change JB's view of life. If she wants to believe in some physical (or Universal) "Law of Attraction", more power to her!

But if she wants to debate in a philosophy forum the merits of such a physical view of the unvierse. Then like Jeremy suggests, "Where's the evidence to back up all the claims?"

I think that's a legitimate question in a discussion thread on a philosophy forum.

And like I say, I don't think anyone would argue against the power of thought and intent. But why create a whole "Law of Attraction" out of it?

I feel like this is a fair question.

Anyway, I'm leaving the thread now.

I just dropped in to stir the caldron a bit.

I don't want to 'debate' it.

I simply state my opinion in a very confident manner and that seems to rub some people the wrong way.

They start screaming "PROVE IT PROVE IT!"

I am proving it to myself. That is all that matters to me. I have given my personal evidence to skeptics at the risk of being made fun of.

I do this not to debate, but for the rare person(s) who might use this information in a positive way to change their life for the better. If that is not you, then what I say is not for you. It is just my opinion; and it should not bother anyone.

And I am confident of my opinion. I state it as confidently because I believe it to be true.

Perhaps the entire thread has been a fine example of why perception equates to reality and not actuality.

Well said! You hit the mark Abra.

See I don't agree. Truth is truth, we all share a common reality, or actuality if you want to use that term to mean shared reality, and thus truth is truth, what we believe is certainly different from person to person, but when two people believe opposite opposing conclusions then one or the other is WRONG and the only way to know is through objective analysis.

It has absolutely nothing to do with "rubbing" people any which way.

You offer a potential philosophy, people simply ask for the evidence and/or rationale behind it.

You say, "Because I say so in a very confident manner".

After they recover from their belly roll,...

They ask, "And so where's your evidence or rationale?"

It has nothing to do with being rubbed the wrong way. They're simply trying to discern why you claim this law to be a truth (other than to proclaim it's a merely a faith-based belief on your part)

Also, if the law of attraction works so well, and can actually be used easily, then why haven't you already created for yourself a reality where you gain so much respect and authority that no one in their right mind would question your views? You certainly seem to desire this. Why can you not make it come to pass simply by using the "Law of Attraction"?

If you don't like attracting people who question your views or ask for proof, then why are you attracting such people?

Do you not yet know how to use this "Law of Attraction"?

If you can't even wield its power, then how can you be so sure any such law exists?

And if you can wield its power then why aren't you attracting a bunch of people who agree with you wholeheartedly? It certainly seems that this is your DESIRE based on how upset you appear to be with people keep asking for proof all the time.

Through thought and intent you should be able to attract precisely the responses you'd like to reveive. Isn't that the premise of the "Law of Attraction"

It would seem that even if the law were TRUE, if you are attracting a lot of people who don't believe in this law and need proof, then it can only be becasue you don't truly believe in it and you need proof, because according to you, like attracks like.

This was just a totally unbiased philosophy observation. Not meant to rub anyone any which way.