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That's extremely far from being proven buddy. Hawking just stated this as a possible explanation, but he himself said that its just a theory. It's really just a way of avoiding the 'problem' of design.
I could not agree more with the above underlined, if it is referring to the idea that the universe looks the same no matter where you are within it. I could not disagree more if it is an attempt to claim that the universe is not expanding in all directions. That 'theory' accounts for every piece of scientific knowledge that we have at this moment in time and completely supports the Big Bang. Creationism however, with it's inherent personification of 'God',regardless of whether it is of the fundamental variety or intelligent design, leaves little to be desired and much to be assumed. I was not the one attempting to use Hawking(who happens to be atheist) to support an argument for intelligent design. I found it quite ironic that someone else did. Based upon the support which was given, I simply clarified the actual theory, consequently dismissing it as a valid support for the argument of design. It is clearly an argument for the big bang, nothing more, nothing less... 
What are you talking about? It's the opposite. Hawking said that it seems that we are the center of the universe since other galaxies are all moving away from us (I freaking provided the quote), and then he proposed that it could be that it appears that way from wherever you are in the universe only as a mere theory. The first statement is almost definite, the second is ions away from being proven and is simply just a cop out. I know Hawking is an atheist, that's why quoting him saying "there is something special about our place in the universe" is such a strong argument to make against the big explosion thing that somehow miraculously brought about all that we know. You know... for somehow who uses big words like "consequently", you sure don't say much. You're entire last post can be summed down to "Big Bang = good, Booo creationism!"... seriously, read what you write before you post it and ask yourself "among all these fluff words, do I actually have a point?" Hawking applies to the ideals of a String Theorist, so that might have something to do with it. |
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boredinaz06
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Being that the Universe (Theoretically) is Constantly Expanding and Contracting it Would Be Near Impossible to Know where the Center of the Universe is and that would also imply that it has a Beginning and end to which we are not sure there is such a thing. everything involving the universe is Theory. the Reality is that We've truly only explored our arm of the milkyway |
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Being that the Universe (Theoretically) is Constantly Expanding and Contracting it Would Be Near Impossible to Know where the Center of the Universe is and that would also imply that it has a Beginning and end to which we are not sure there is such a thing. everything involving the universe is Theory. the Reality is that We've truly only explored our arm of the milkyway I freaking quoted Hawking. What more do you people need? But of course you all have PhD's. At least I have the decency to not talk as if I know anything on the matter and simply quote one of the world's best minds. But you all can keep posting as if you have all the answers to life's questions... |
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Being that the Universe (Theoretically) is Constantly Expanding and Contracting it Would Be Near Impossible to Know where the Center of the Universe is and that would also imply that it has a Beginning and end to which we are not sure there is such a thing. everything involving the universe is Theory. the Reality is that We've truly only explored our arm of the milkyway I freaking quoted Hawking. What more do you people need? But of course you all have PhD's. At least I have the decency to not talk as if I know anything on the matter and simply quote one of the world's best minds. But you all can keep posting as if you have all the answers to life's questions... You Can Qoute all You Want it's all theory! Stephen Hawking Doesn't know with 100% Certainty that this is a Fact. |
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 The Montauk Project.
 Need I say more?
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The Montauk Project.
Need I say more?
Cool stuff. The NSA can even do remote mind control. Says when they were sued, they had to declassify a lot of materials. |
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The Montauk Project.
Need I say more?
Cool stuff. The NSA can even do remote mind control. Says when they were sued, they had to declassify a lot of materials.  They can even travel thru time if you believe the accounts of the Montauk Project and the Philadelphia Experiment
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The Montauk Project.
Need I say more?
Cool stuff. The NSA can even do remote mind control. Says when they were sued, they had to declassify a lot of materials. They can even travel thru time if you believe the accounts of the Montauk Project and the Philadelphia Experiment
I'm intentionally avoiding looking at this subject, just because I picked up George Noory's new book, after another member on this site mentioned his name to me, something about "What does the name George Noory mean to you?", I saw a book by him in the store. Since I'm a nonbeliever in coincidence, I bought the book. He covers this stuff, at least the leaflet of the book says so. |
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The Montauk Project.
Need I say more?
Cool stuff. The NSA can even do remote mind control. Says when they were sued, they had to declassify a lot of materials. They can even travel thru time if you believe the accounts of the Montauk Project and the Philadelphia Experiment
I'm intentionally avoiding looking at this subject, just because I picked up George Noory's new book, after another member on this site mentioned his name to me, something about "What does the name George Noory mean to you?", I saw a book by him in the store. Since I'm a nonbeliever in coincidence, I bought the book. He covers this stuff, at least the leaflet of the book says so. 
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 WWE wrestler and marijuana legalisation activist Rob Van Dam said that he was driving to the arena to wrestle in a match one time, and he got lost near the Montauk Project and accidently traveled thru a "time tunnel" back to the 1950s, and he met project coordinator and famous scientist Nikola Tesla,with whom he briefly spoke before returning to his own time.
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That's extremely far from being proven buddy. Hawking just stated this as a possible explanation, but he himself said that its just a theory. It's really just a way of avoiding the 'problem' of design.
I could not agree more with the above underlined, if it is referring to the idea that the universe looks the same no matter where you are within it. I could not disagree more if it is an attempt to claim that the universe is not expanding in all directions. That 'theory' accounts for every piece of scientific knowledge that we have at this moment in time and completely supports the Big Bang. Creationism however, with it's inherent personification of 'God',regardless of whether it is of the fundamental variety or intelligent design, leaves little to be desired and much to be assumed. I was not the one attempting to use Hawking(who happens to be atheist) to support an argument for intelligent design. I found it quite ironic that someone else did. Based upon the support which was given, I simply clarified the actual theory, consequently dismissing it as a valid support for the argument of design. It is clearly an argument for the big bang, nothing more, nothing less...
What are you talking about? It's the opposite. Hawking said that it seems that we are the center of the universe since other galaxies are all moving away from us (I freaking provided the quote), and then he proposed that it could be that it appears that way from wherever you are in the universe only as a mere theory. The first statement is almost definite, the second is ions away from being proven and is simply just a cop out. I know Hawking is an atheist, that's why quoting him saying "there is something special about our place in the universe" is such a strong argument to make against the big explosion thing that somehow miraculously brought about all that we know. You know... for somehow who uses big words like "consequently", you sure don't say much. You're entire last post can be summed down to "Big Bang = good, Booo creationism!"... seriously, read what you write before you post it and ask yourself "among all these fluff words, do I actually have a point?" Where is the quote from? |
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That's extremely far from being proven buddy. Hawking just stated this as a possible explanation, but he himself said that its just a theory. It's really just a way of avoiding the 'problem' of design.
I could not agree more with the above underlined, if it is referring to the idea that the universe looks the same no matter where you are within it. I could not disagree more if it is an attempt to claim that the universe is not expanding in all directions. That 'theory' accounts for every piece of scientific knowledge that we have at this moment in time and completely supports the Big Bang. Creationism however, with it's inherent personification of 'God',regardless of whether it is of the fundamental variety or intelligent design, leaves little to be desired and much to be assumed. I was not the one attempting to use Hawking(who happens to be atheist) to support an argument for intelligent design. I found it quite ironic that someone else did. Based upon the support which was given, I simply clarified the actual theory, consequently dismissing it as a valid support for the argument of design. It is clearly an argument for the big bang, nothing more, nothing less...
What are you talking about? It's the opposite. Hawking said that it seems that we are the center of the universe since other galaxies are all moving away from us (I freaking provided the quote), and then he proposed that it could be that it appears that way from wherever you are in the universe only as a mere theory. The first statement is almost definite, the second is ions away from being proven and is simply just a cop out. I know Hawking is an atheist, that's why quoting him saying "there is something special about our place in the universe" is such a strong argument to make against the big explosion thing that somehow miraculously brought about all that we know. You know... for somehow who uses big words like "consequently", you sure don't say much. You're entire last post can be summed down to "Big Bang = good, Booo creationism!"... seriously, read what you write before you post it and ask yourself "among all these fluff words, do I actually have a point?" Where is the quote from? I found the quote here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/4051954/Stephen-Hawking-A-Brief-History-of-Time page 25 fourth paragraph and it seems to have been quite taken out of context. Hawking was referring to another scientist Friedmann's work from 1922 and went on to offer an alternative theory in the next sentence. |
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My point was simple...
You, Gianni have no idea what you are talking about. As has just been mentioned, Hawking's statement was not only taken out of context, it was also completely misunderstood. You keep on saying this and that while completely avoiding the most important terms in the quote. Seem to be... In order to understand what he was saying, one must be aware of the fact that the universe looks the same, no matter where you are within it. Wherever one may be, it seems that it is the center. That is a direct result from the universe expanding in all directions. That is known from observation. Has it "clicked" yet? 
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John Glenn in an Interview Slipped and said that when they saw UFO's They Knew to Keep Quiet because the Media would ignore the mission and focus soley on the UFO's. he said this when paris hilton went to jail and the media completely ignored that fact that that same day the space shuttle launched. also I think it was 2yrs ago the Dutch govt. admitted that UFO's and Aliens were real. |
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To quote Fox Mulder, "I want to believe." I will need to see some conclusive evidence first though. All the sighting and seeming government cover ups pique my interest, but in and of themselves do not make proof.
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WWE wrestler and marijuana legalisation activist Rob Van Dam said that he was driving to the arena to wrestle in a match one time, and he got lost near the Montauk Project and accidently traveled thru a "time tunnel" back to the 1950s, and he met project coordinator and famous scientist Nikola Tesla,with whom he briefly spoke before returning to his own time.
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I put this into the bigfoot, lochness monster category.
With absolutely no proof that these things exist, the people that don't support it are portrayed as being the crazy ones. Space is infinite, there has to be other intelligent life. Well, the ocean is vast, and I don't see humans with gills, unless you believe that atlantis actually existed. See first sentence. There is no God, but there are aliens. I really am beginning to wonder about some of you. |
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I put this into the bigfoot, lochness monster category. With absolutely no proof that these things exist, the people that don't support it are portrayed as being the crazy ones. Space is infinite, there has to be other intelligent life. Well, the ocean is vast, and I don't see humans with gills, unless you believe that atlantis actually existed. See first sentence. There is no God, but there are aliens. I really am beginning to wonder about some of you. 
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I used to think my ex-mother-n-law was an alien!
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I put this into the bigfoot, lochness monster category. With absolutely no proof that these things exist, the people that don't support it are portrayed as being the crazy ones. Space is infinite, there has to be other intelligent life. Well, the ocean is vast, and I don't see humans with gills, unless you believe that atlantis actually existed. See first sentence. There is no God, but there are aliens. I really am beginning to wonder about some of you. Hey Invictus. You and me finally agree on something.
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