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Kinda' sexy, the picture of Rose, packin' a six-shooter and bein' all Redneck.
  
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dragoness...go to the bronx or places in chicago....i'm sure there are more cities that way as well
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Edited by
Winx
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We're not really alone. 20 some odd other States have or are doing the paperwork to restore their Sovereignty, a prelude Secession. February 6th, 2009 States including Washington, Arizona, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, Hawaii and New Hampshire have drafted bills reminding the Federal Government of their voluntary submission under the Tenth Amendment. Here is a list of the others claiming their Sovereignty; AL, AK, AR, CA, CO, GA,ID, IN, KS, ME, MO, NV, PA, SC Anybody here posting from Oklahoma? 
Where did you hear this? I searched and only found the Republican Liberty Caucus talking about it. I can't find in the Missouri House. Google this. 22 states seeking sovereignty I can't find it in the Missouri House or the St. Louis newspaper. I did find it on right wing sites. I'm still looking. That's all it is winx and if you notice the word is sovereignty! States sovereignty is guaranteed in the Constitution! Secession is a different word and it is illegal! --------------------------------------------------------------- Fanta, All I found was this: HR 212 Declares Missouri's sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment and urges the United States Congress to reject the passage of the federal Freedom of Choice Act which prohibits regulations on abortion. It's sponsored by a Republican. Next Hearing: Hearing not scheduled Calendar: Bill currently not on a calendar ACTIONS HEARINGS CALENDAR Bill Summaries for HR212 ***** NO BILL SUMMARIES AVAILABLE FOR RESOLUTIONS ***** Bill Text for HR212 ***** NO BILL TEXT AVAILABLE FOR RESOLUTIONS**** |
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Kinda' sexy, the picture of Rose, packin' a six-shooter and bein' all Redneck.
i'll take a 6 pack over a 6 shooter
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US.
That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done. |
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Has anyone besides me wondered why Bush chose Texas as a debarkation point for troops going to Iraq?
Does anyone but me realize how much Fed Tax money was funneled to the economy of Texas as a result of this? Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US closed all the military posts in Texas? Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US were to close all the NASA facilities in Texas? Does anyone except me realize how ridiculous the talk of Texas seceding from the Union really is? |
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krupa...right now i'm not for or against it since i am not sure of some things That, I completely respect honey. I am not looking for anyone to jump on the wagon with me..(I will have my opinions no matter what anyone else thinks) I love this country...(hate the way it is sliding south) (That is a metaphore Dragon so, cool your jets...I know the country is not physically moving down here to the place you detest so much) Don't hate the south at all. It is like stepping back in time to the civil rights period when you go down there. It is stuck in time, stuck in rut or something. Racial lines still stand down there and the few that don't stand anymore are not appreciated AT ALL by some of the whites. I am white so I get blessed with hearing their opinions of others and they are still racially biased at large levels. No bitterness, just don't get the non-movement into this century 
As for my personal opinion on this subject, I haven't voiced it yet... just kidding. I am too proud of an American to even remotely entertain the thought of handing in my US citizenship and be rewarded rightfully by anarchy and descention. That is my personal opinion.  As a Southern man I must say that when I have visited Up North Yankee land, I noticed that they are much more racial than we are. The "Rascist southerner" is becoming a stereotype.
Racists are everywhere. Only in southern town do they split population and require each race stay in their "designated" areas at fear of death, especially after dark. Only in the south would a noose be hung from a tree to show black folks they better stay away. I can go on and on.... Only in the south would the lunchrooms in schools be segregated voluntarily, experienced that one when I attended school there. There is a difference. In the south "it is the way it is" and nobody rocks the boat because the tension is too tight and they fear the break. We have racists here but they know better than to act like those of the south because there are a whole lotta whites like me who go to bat for others who might possibly be discriminated against. The cities up north looked pretty segregated to me
They aren't. At least not in the ones I have been to here. Now the small town here sometimes you will find very few minorities in general. They are not segregated but they are few and far between. That would be the most you would see up here. I seen ghettos and suburbs
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US. That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done. texas has been under many flags |
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US. That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done.  The Texans rebelled against the Mexicans because the Mexicans wouldnt let them own slaves.
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US. That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done. texas has been under many flags yes very true but how do you feel about this? The natives living on reservations now the mexicans who believe that this is their home and not part of the united states? |
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winx...I've been through the school system here and now my son....studying the other states comes from US history...so yes...they do learn that as well. and why not focus one the state you are in a little more than others???? I don't get the problem. I wouldn't have a problem if CA focused on CA history Our children study all history. Just saying. as do we...maybe we study more history then....we have texas, US and world history The State of Texas is not what it was when they were annexed by the US! what does that have to do with my post???? What areas were Texas when the US finally annexed them? We are talking History arent we? |
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Texas Under Spain. 1519-1685; 1690-1821.
Texas Under France. 1685-1690 Texas Under Mexico. 1821-1836 Texas as a Republic. 1836-1845 Texas in the Confederacy. 1861-1865 Texas in the US. 1845-1861; 1865-Present http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm smiles....that might be of interest to you |
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US. That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done. The Texans rebelled against the Mexicans because the Mexicans wouldnt let them own slaves.
Well if this is the case then I think the Mexicans where right. Owning slaves is horrible practice in my opinion that sadly is still practiced in certain parts of this world. |
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Texas Under Spain. 1519-1685; 1690-1821. Texas Under France. 1685-1690 Texas Under Mexico. 1821-1836 Texas as a Republic. 1836-1845 Texas in the Confederacy. 1861-1865 Texas in the US. 1845-1861; 1865-Present http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm smiles....that might be of interest to you Natives where the first though and now they are to live in a small parcel of land rather they liked it or not at the time. |
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Many Mexicans and even a few Americans I once spoke with believe Texas is part of Mexico and not the US. That the country was taken away from them through force. Then what about the Natives and how their land was forcefully taken away from them and to live in reservations. How do you feel about this? In the end this doesn't change anything now as Texas is part of the United States, but I just want to see how you personally feel about the history of Texas and what it had done. The Texans rebelled against the Mexicans because the Mexicans wouldnt let them own slaves.
Well if this is the case then I think the Mexicans where right. Owning slaves is horrible practice in my opinion that sadly is still practiced in certain parts of this world. The Mexicans knew how it felt to be slaves.
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winx...I've been through the school system here and now my son....studying the other states comes from US history...so yes...they do learn that as well. and why not focus one the state you are in a little more than others???? I don't get the problem. I wouldn't have a problem if CA focused on CA history Our children study all history. Just saying. as do we...maybe we study more history then....we have texas, US and world history The State of Texas is not what it was when they were annexed by the US! what does that have to do with my post???? What areas were Texas when the US finally annexed them? We are talking History arent we? texas history here starts with the flags it was under to the alamo, sam houston, stephen f austin to present day. it is specifically about texas. the other states and history is covered under US from the mayflower etc |
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Edited by
DaveyB
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Fri 04/17/09 07:48 PM
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Has anyone besides me wondered why Bush chose Texas as a debarkation point for troops going to Iraq? Yes. Does anyone but me realize how much Fed Tax money was funneled to the economy of Texas as a result of this? Yes Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US closed all the military posts in Texas? Yes they would be replaced with the army of the country of Texas. Does anyone except me realize what would happen to the Texas economy if the US were to close all the NASA facilities in Texas? Yes Texas would use it to start it's own arrow space industry. Does anyone except me realize how ridiculous the talk of Texas seceding from the Union really is? Only if you are talking of it happening bloodlessly. Won't ever happen bloodlessly, not because any of the stuff you've mentioned if that was the case the they'd let them vote on it and succeed if they wanted to. It won't happen because the state of Texas wields too much power based on it economy. Same could be said for many other states. Only a handful of states would mean a positive cash flow change for the rest of the states and Texas is not one of them. |
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Texas Under Spain. 1519-1685; 1690-1821. Texas Under France. 1685-1690 Texas Under Mexico. 1821-1836 Texas as a Republic. 1836-1845 Texas in the Confederacy. 1861-1865 Texas in the US. 1845-1861; 1865-Present http://www.lsjunction.com/facts/6flags.htm smiles....that might be of interest to you Natives where the first though and now they are to live in a small parcel of land rather they liked it or not at the time. very true. they were all over the US and alot of them were wiped out. i'm not proud of everything in texas or US history....don't get me wrong |
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no fanta...i do see what you are saying...which is why i'm undecided how i feel about the topic
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At the Texas Capitol on Thursday, Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco, joined by several fellow Texas House Democrats, said some people associate talk of secession with racial division and the Civil War and that Perry should disavow any notion of seceding. <quote That is one mans opinion. He don't speak for me. My opinion weighs the same as his. I see secession as being a benefit to all Texans, regardless of race, color or creed. State Sen. Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat, said that by not rejecting the possibility of secession out of hand, Perry "is taking a step down a very dangerous and divisive path encouraged by the fringe of Texas politics." The Democrats are proposing a House resolution expressing "complete and total disagreement with any fringe element advocating the 'secession' of Texas or any other state from our one and indivisible Union." Perry emphasized Thursday that he is not advocating secession but understands why Americans may have those feelings because of frustration with Washington, D.C. He said it's fine to express the thought. He offered no apology and did not back away from his earlier comments. You do know what fringe means right? You also agree that Perry did not advocate secession like you claimed earlier either, right? |
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