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So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics? I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires? All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different? He is not asking for tolerance, he is asking for us to go back in time to a time of religious majority because he thinks it is a "better" time. Republican equals stuck in the mud of old times not allowing for the changing humanity. We are not what we used to be any more and good riddance as far as I am concerned. There were way to many prejudice ideals in the old ways, too much religious dogma, etc..... Ron Paul equals old stuck in the mud ideals that we have outgrown and need to dispel. What specificly made you think he wanted us to use religion as a way of life again? You see i got the impression that he was just promoting tolerance. Like allowing the muslims to pray when they need to. Allowing Christians to say merry christmas, etc. Instead of exercising a Phobia of religion by being forced to be religiously neutral. Wouldn't it be culturally educating to let people practice his or her own religions openly? As long as you are respectful. The problem is they monopolize the holiday as if it theirs. They want Christmas stuff up but do put up ALL RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS OF THE HOLIDAY at their public displays. If you are respectful to ALL you have to include ALL, if not there can be nothing so that all religions are respected, understood? He was not teaching tolerance, he was bashing those who will not allow the Christians the cart blance they are used to. You notice he states that " THE OLD TRADITIONS AND FEELING OF THE HOLIDAY ARE GONE". We have allowed Christianity too much power in this country and it has taken too much advantage of it and now feels put out by not being given the complete power they had before. Ron Paul buys into this and it doesn't represent the average American anymore. This is but one example by the way. How would you represent the average american on this matter? Because I know that all people have different beliefs I gladly wish all Happy Holidays to make sure they are covered in my message. I believe most Americans are at this point of intelligent understanding. Just for example. Ron Paul does not believe this way and it is not representative of the majority. I meant as a leader? Would you discourage people from saying Merry Christmas? And how is it you represent the majority but Ron Paul doesn't? I thought 60% or more Americans were still christians... Is that not the majority? Nifty thing about Ron Pauls views, you'd be allowed to say Happy Holidays, and another person could say Merry Christmas. Would this not make more people happy? Or do you think people would be happier being pressured or forced to say Happy Holidays? You seem to keep missing what he actually said that is more telling. Even if he supports other sayings, his message is clear. |
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what if someone doesn't celebrate the holidays at all? Happy holidays still covers those that don't celebrate. It's still a holiday, and saying happy holiday is really pretty much just saying be happy. Personally I don't know why people in stores are forced to say anything, why not just be courteous and helpful. I don't care if they say anything at all, I don't go to a store on a holiday just to hear someone greet me with a particular saying. |
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I wanna know what the "experts" say about the FED and why we need it... So far i haven't heard a logical argument for it yet. I would think it would be stupid to make the only source of income bank loans. For instance. Instead of a job you can only borrow money from a bank. You must borrow enough to make payments, plus the cost of expenses. The loans must get bigger and bigger every time. In the bigger picture i know inflation is supposed to offset the costs of the payments... But isn't it dangerously unstable to have a monetary system dependent on inflation? Also the national debt payments acounts for about a third of the U.S. budget. I wonder how much more money people could spend if they didn't have to pay income tax, and the poor could stop paying inflation tax. You try to simplify something that cant be done. Ron Paul tries to ignore the history beyond the Depression of the 30's. You cant do that either, but he knows that if he examined the reasons for creating the FED RESERVE his arguments would be contradictions. The Fed Reserve is not the only Rhetoric that comes from his camp anyway. Ron Paul wants to dissolve almost the entire US Gov. He is against a woman's right to choose. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Education. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Health. The CIA, the FBI, etc, etc. He wants to dissolve all these Depts and make it legal for everyone to own fully automatic weapon sytems??? LMAO! He's a radical with no support. He couldn't do all that he wants by himself and with only 2% of the population behind him, he wont even get the chance. Does that stop everyone else from having to listen to his nonsense? NO! This is America and so we let the Dr. preach his Rhetoric. Don't expect anyone to take him serious though beyond the 2% and a few stragglers that he sucks in during this uncertain time. America has seen worse and recovered. There is no wolf. The sky isnt falling. And, the world wont end tomorrow. We will recover again! |
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Would the greeting you get in Hawaii, where the natives place leis around your neck also be inappropriate? Wow Driven, you of all people, I am really suprised you don't get what she is saying to you? |
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If Dr. Paul saw the way that his platform of peace, liberty and obediance to the Constitution gave way to partisan bickering and a article about tolerance, becoming an issue of religion, he would just shake his head sadly and walk away. Dr. Paul operates in the Republican party, because his ideas come from the Historic platform that the Conservatives have forgotten or allowed NeoCons to brush aside. For years now, he's been warning this country that we were going to face a huge monetary crisis which very well might end up with the end of the dollar and here we friggin' are. Dr. Paul is, for the most part, the only politician I believe. LMAO Im sorry war but this is hilarious. I was just having a talk with someone a few days ago about the increase in pessimism and increased conspiracy theories going on on the Internet! You my friend have just demonstrated exactly what I said to them. In fact your words are almost identical to those I used, and is the root to my chicken-little analogy. I guess I could have, and probably to avoid the eroding of other posters sensitivities, used the "Boy who cried wolf" comparison. For many centuries there have been religious Zealots and doomsayer philosophers predicting the world will end tomorrow. Every generation and society has had them. For a few years, there has been Ron Paul. But, he is not even the first to come along with his Rhetoric about the fall of American Ideology and society. In fact, I believe it was you who reminded me of others, with more power, who came before Ron Paul with the same agenda. To over throw the US Central Gov and return to the gold standard. Blah, blah, blah, I think we've held this conversation before, and it so bores me to repeat it again. Especially since it could stretch on and on with neither party changing the others convictions. Let's back up, I was just having a talk with someone a few days ago about the increase in pessimism and increased conspiracy theories going on on the Internet! My answer to them was, Ron Paul supporters, while few in actual numbers, are completely sold in to Ron Paul's Rhetoric. For years they, like the "doomsayer" philosophers, have waited and listened for the end to come. All the while carrying their banners and declarations with them. Now, due to the economic turmoil we are experiencing, they believe they are finally justified with their "faith," and "allegiance" in Ron Paul. It's kinda how a man predicting "the end is tomorrow" might have reacted in NY when the Twin Towers fell. Felling a mixture of fear, and joy, that their faith in their beliefs have finally came true, they can hardly contain themselves. Ron Paul supporters are everywhere. They haven't necessarily increased in numbers so much, as they have in volume. (Okay maybe a few more in number as they benefit and prey on the general fear the populace feels.) That will end; The thought that they may once again be disappointed when the economy recovers, is firing an accelarated increase in the chatter and theories, as in fact the economy is showing signs of recovery. Eventually it will all level off and the Ron Paul Rhetoric will die down to a whisper once again. Only I believe the Ron Paul supporters will decrease to a level below the mere 2% he enjoys now! As others come to realize there is no wolf, the sky isnt falling, and the end wont come tomorrow. 
Hilarious? The entire G20 event has been about calling for one world currency, New World Order, with the direct phrase being repeated over and over, even to the point that Anderson Coopers' CIA A$$ repeated it on CNN, but thats funny to you? An International body, whose economic decisions are to supercede the Soveriegnty of the US, effectively nullifying portions of our God D@mn Constituiton, but that's just a bunch of chuckles for you? Sometimes, when the "boy" is crying wolf, there just so happens to be a wolf. For the record, Dr. Pauls support only grows, because he's correct about the economy, because he calls it like he sees it and because he does what he says he's going to do. Point one thing Dr. Paul has said about the economy that is rhetoric? Huh? Like the fed manipulating interests rates? Like the printing of money, ad nausem, devaluing our dollar into worthlessness? How about our extremely expensive overseas empire or the abysmal failure of a Drug war, where is he wrong about that? Where is he wrong, when he talks about this move towars Globalism being bad for our country, our freedom, our liberty and our constitution? Or are those things a joke to you as well? |
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So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics? I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires? All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different? He is not asking for tolerance, he is asking for us to go back in time to a time of religious majority because he thinks it is a "better" time. Republican equals stuck in the mud of old times not allowing for the changing humanity. We are not what we used to be any more and good riddance as far as I am concerned. There were way to many prejudice ideals in the old ways, too much religious dogma, etc..... Ron Paul equals old stuck in the mud ideals that we have outgrown and need to dispel. Exactly, and I have news for people, the country was never all Christian but the Christians did have their way for a very long time. it's not surprising to me today that people are fighting back against that dominance, for lack of a better word. Ok, when i read something i try and see where the person is coming from. I try to view the message as a whole. Maybe it's because i read too much? I don't know. Christianity was used as an example. He's saying "don't discriminate against christians". Let the Christians be christians, let the jewish be jewish, let the muslims be muslim. Just because the man is a christian, and mentions christian views does not mean, in any way, that he is trying to push his views on everyone. His just telling us that it's too bad we can't have our religious traditions because intolerant self absorbed cry babies are too high strung to allow for it. Another thing that i find funny is the fact that he has pushed no legislation for this. Every single piece of legislation he pushes is to increase independence and liberties. Funny how you listen to rants or speeches rather than policies he supports. No suprise that this is all coming from strict obama supporters either. Another thing i have to point out. No one so far can come up with any logical argument against this man. None. Pointing the finger at him because he is christian, or just saying that he doesn't understand the system because it's too complex tells me very little. Educate me on the system, and i swear i will question Dr. Pauls beliefs. So far, all i've read has done nothing but support his teachings. How can you downtalk his ideas if you don't have any understanding, or are we just playing "follow the leader" here? Monetary theory of fiat currency, understanding the Fractional Reserve system, understanding the Central bank and how it works,and history (the study of the rise and fall of many nations). The only thing that I can come up with is the fact that every gets taxed when we print money. In theory its a way to redistribute wealth. The flip side of this is the fact that the corporate giants are the ones to recieve this inflated currency so they have nothing to worry about. This means the Poor and the middle class feel the brunt of this damage right? If the system we are using now is necessary, and this amdinistration is in fact taking the correct steps, i must shake Bush's hand, because that administration did one hell of a job. If pumping more money into the system, and spend spend spend is the answer, Bush had it all down pact. If towards the end he didn't spend enough, than Obama is doing rather well. I don't see where this administration is any, i mean ANY different than the last. |
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Hilarious? The entire G20 event has been about calling for one world currency, New World Order, with the direct phrase being repeated over and over, even to the point that Anderson Coopers' CIA A$$ repeated it on CNN, but thats funny to you?
An International body, whose economic decisions are to supercede the Soveriegnty of the US, effectively nullifying portions of our God D@mn Constituiton, but that's just a bunch of chuckles for you? Sometimes, when the "boy" is crying wolf, there just so happens to be a wolf. For the record, Dr. Pauls support only grows, because he's correct about the economy, because he calls it like he sees it and because he does what he says he's going to do. Point one thing Dr. Paul has said about the economy that is rhetoric? Huh? Like the fed manipulating interests rates? Like the printing of money, ad nausem, devaluing our dollar into worthlessness? How about our extremely expensive overseas empire or the abysmal failure of a Drug war, where is he wrong about that? Where is he wrong, when he talks about this move towars Globalism being bad for our country, our freedom, our liberty and our constitution? Or are those things a joke to you as well? Do I find the condition of our economy hilarious? NO! Do I find our freedom, our liberty, or our constitution hilarious? NO! Is that what I said I found hilarious? No! What I found hilarious is that your post demonstrated exactly the point I was making as to why there is so many crying wolf on the internet lately. I mean, me and my friend were one day talking about it, and just a few days later you, word for word, demonstrated exactly what I said. It was so coincidental that I chuckled with the irony, and yes, I found that hilarious. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful towards you. I know you truly believe in Ron Paul's philosophy. However, you do belong to a minority and Ron Paul is not the first to take these philosophies to the American people. He wont be the last, although Im afraid his days are numbered. I mean seriously, in 2012 he will be 77 yrs old. That along with, his inability to garnish more than 2% of the Republican Party vote, there's not much chance he'll ever become President. All the stuff above, the G-20 being about calling for a one world currency, the new World order, and the idea of sum obscure International entity taking the sovereignty of the US away, are just conspiracy theories. Assumptions that can not be supported by direct fact. They can only be substantiated by Rhetoric and twisted facts based upon wild theories, fear, and radical assumptions. There is no wolf! |
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ok people....i started this thread to get info from all sides of the question. i don't want fights or hard feelings
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Thing I like about Ron Pauls message.
It was the same message as he stated during the past administration. He didn't like the way we were going then and he still does not. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Ron Paul - Wiki
"Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. |
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I wanna know what the "experts" say about the FED and why we need it... So far i haven't heard a logical argument for it yet. I would think it would be stupid to make the only source of income bank loans. For instance. Instead of a job you can only borrow money from a bank. You must borrow enough to make payments, plus the cost of expenses. The loans must get bigger and bigger every time. In the bigger picture i know inflation is supposed to offset the costs of the payments... But isn't it dangerously unstable to have a monetary system dependent on inflation? Also the national debt payments acounts for about a third of the U.S. budget. I wonder how much more money people could spend if they didn't have to pay income tax, and the poor could stop paying inflation tax. You try to simplify something that cant be done. Ron Paul tries to ignore the history beyond the Depression of the 30's. You cant do that either, but he knows that if he examined the reasons for creating the FED RESERVE his arguments would be contradictions. The Fed Reserve is not the only Rhetoric that comes from his camp anyway. Ron Paul wants to dissolve almost the entire US Gov. He is against a woman's right to choose. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Education. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Health. The CIA, the FBI, etc, etc. He wants to dissolve all these Depts and make it legal for everyone to own fully automatic weapon sytems??? LMAO! That is unacceptable to me. |
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Thing I like about Ron Pauls message. It was the same message as he stated during the past administration. He didn't like the way we were going then and he still does not. Of course! He's a puppet for more powerful men! |
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Ron Paul - Wiki "Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. Do you include the religion of Islam? If so, it would send women back to the stoned ages. There are things about Paul's stance I disagree with. No, religion should be separate from church. What I do agree with is his stance on preserving the constitution, less Gov. involvement and restoring our Bill of Rights. |
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Ron Paul - Wiki "Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. Do you include the religion of Islam? If so, it would send women back to the stoned ages. There are things about Paul's stance I disagree with. No, religion should be separate from church. What I do agree with is his stance on preserving the constitution, less Gov. involvement and restoring our Bill of Rights. There are others who believe strongly in The Constitution. Others with a lot less radical platform, and a more realistic view of the ideas in The Constitution and how to preserve those ideas. One without sending America back to the stone age! |
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ok people....i started this thread to get info from all sides of the question. i don't want fights or hard feelings
Do you consider that to be either hard-feelins, or a fight? Even though I recognized earlier that that was the purpose of this thread, I have only respect for my friends, war and Driven, and have only debated the idea of Ron Paul. They both know they cant change my convictions and I know theirs cant be changed either. They and I also should recognize that neither can expect the other to come forth without an opinion! This is why I didnt want to participate in this form of entertainment just for another poster. |
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Ron Paul - Wiki "Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. Do you include the religion of Islam? If so, it would send women back to the stoned ages. There are things about Paul's stance I disagree with. No, religion should be separate from church. What I do agree with is his stance on preserving the constitution, less Gov. involvement and restoring our Bill of Rights. I'm reading it as him saying, "Separation of church and state is a war against religion". I believe in separation of church and state. |
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Ron Paul - Wiki "Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. Kinda his point dont ya think? |
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I wanna know what the "experts" say about the FED and why we need it... So far i haven't heard a logical argument for it yet. I would think it would be stupid to make the only source of income bank loans. For instance. Instead of a job you can only borrow money from a bank. You must borrow enough to make payments, plus the cost of expenses. The loans must get bigger and bigger every time. In the bigger picture i know inflation is supposed to offset the costs of the payments... But isn't it dangerously unstable to have a monetary system dependent on inflation? Also the national debt payments acounts for about a third of the U.S. budget. I wonder how much more money people could spend if they didn't have to pay income tax, and the poor could stop paying inflation tax. You try to simplify something that cant be done. Ron Paul tries to ignore the history beyond the Depression of the 30's. You cant do that either, but he knows that if he examined the reasons for creating the FED RESERVE his arguments would be contradictions. The Fed Reserve is not the only Rhetoric that comes from his camp anyway. Ron Paul wants to dissolve almost the entire US Gov. He is against a woman's right to choose. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Education. He wants to dissolve the Dept of Health. The CIA, the FBI, etc, etc. He wants to dissolve all these Depts and make it legal for everyone to own fully automatic weapon sytems??? LMAO! That is unacceptable to me. Do you even know why? |
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Ron Paul - Wiki "Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[149] "an unshakable foe of abortion". That's no surprise. He used to be an obstetrician. "Paul also believes that the courts making decisions on behalf of the state against public and private display of Christmas referencing the Separation of Church and State is a war against religion.[156]" All religions should be treated equally, IMO. Kinda his point dont ya think? I read his article about religion that Dragoness posted. It sounds like he wants it all about Christianity. |
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ok people....i started this thread to get info from all sides of the question. i don't want fights or hard feelings
Do you consider that to be either hard-feelins, or a fight? Even though I recognized earlier that that was the purpose of this thread, I have only respect for my friends, war and Driven, and have only debated the idea of Ron Paul. They both know they cant change my convictions and I know theirs cant be changed either. They and I also should recognize that neither can expect the other to come forth without an opinion! This is why I didnt want to participate in this form of entertainment just for another poster. no...i don't think anyone is out of line, but i wanted to hear the other side and never wanted anyone to feel they had to try to defend themselves. and i didn't do this topic for entertainment. |
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