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that is nothing more than telemarketers....and i don't want solicitors coming to my door either.
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A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous."
What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society." Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance. Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members. But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend. Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee. As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda." Obama hand salute A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors. (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.) You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email. Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies. So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader. Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States? Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards? How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"? Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"? Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all? Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors? Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word. And they are coming to have a talk with you. |
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now we have to sign up to do volunteer work with the government???? i help out at homeless shelters on my own. i don't need to sign up for that. I volunteer and have for a long time with siging up with the government and I have contributed to the people of the country on my own. I thought this was to talk about Obama's 3 main topics...not sign up for volunteer work Not a have to, just wanting Americans to take on some of the "social" work that is needed as a responsibility if they are able. He said that if Americans would volunteer the cost of all of these social programs would go down. And Americans will feel more involved in their country. I don't see anything wrong with it. I have volunteered before and it is very satisfying. |
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ok....so is this form to
a. supporting the top 3 issues b. get us to do volunteer work c. just checking on how he's doing |
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This is the best I can do as a copy of the Pledge of Loyalty to Obama. If they come to your home and you refuse them, I'm sure they will make a note of it. The PLEDGE I support President Obama's bold approach for renewing America's economy I will ask friends, family, and neighbors to pledge their support for this plan ✔ ✔ FOR MORE INFORMATION WWW.BARACKOBAMA.COM Name Address Home Phone Cell Phone I’d like to receive Organizing For America text updates (standard rates apply) I’d like to volunteer with Organizing For America in my community And that is what is soooo dangerous??? Come on now. 
Going to war with a country that did not do 9/11, now that is treason. |
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now we have to sign up to do volunteer work with the government???? i help out at homeless shelters on my own. i don't need to sign up for that. I volunteer and have for a long time with siging up with the government and I have contributed to the people of the country on my own. I thought this was to talk about Obama's 3 main topics...not sign up for volunteer work Not a have to, just wanting Americans to take on some of the "social" work that is needed as a responsibility if they are able. He said that if Americans would volunteer the cost of all of these social programs would go down. And Americans will feel more involved in their country. I don't see anything wrong with it. I have volunteered before and it is very satisfying. i have done volunteer work since my dad was alive (he died when I was 7)...i was doing volunteer work in the Phillipines as a child. i know it's rewarding but i know it's time consuming when you have a family and work as well. not everyone has the luxury and shouldn't feel bad because they can't |
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now we have to sign up to do volunteer work with the government???? i help out at homeless shelters on my own. i don't need to sign up for that. I volunteer and have for a long time with siging up with the government and I have contributed to the people of the country on my own. I thought this was to talk about Obama's 3 main topics...not sign up for volunteer work Not a have to, just wanting Americans to take on some of the "social" work that is needed as a responsibility if they are able. He said that if Americans would volunteer the cost of all of these social programs would go down. And Americans will feel more involved in their country. I don't see anything wrong with it. I have volunteered before and it is very satisfying. i have done volunteer work since my dad was alive (he died when I was 7)...i was doing volunteer work in the Phillipines as a child. i know it's rewarding but i know it's time consuming when you have a family and work as well. not everyone has the luxury and shouldn't feel bad because they can't Those that cannot do it are not required to but if you supported it and mentioned it to a family member who might be interested then you have done a good job. |
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ok....so is this form to a. supporting the top 3 issues b. get us to do volunteer work c. just checking on how he's doing so which is it???? i have heard several different things so far. |
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A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous." What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society." Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance. Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members. But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend. Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee. As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda." Obama hand salute A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors. (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.) You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email. Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies. So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader. Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States? Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards? How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"? Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"? Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all? Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors? Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word. And they are coming to have a talk with you. Where did you get that from, Willing? A Republican blog? |
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Edited by
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The Pledge Project Canvass Guide Get StartedBeforeDuringAfter “A budget is more than simply numbers on a page. It is a measure of how well we are living up to our obligations to ourselves and one another. It is a test for our commitment to making America what it was always meant to be -- a place where all things are possible for all people. ” - President Barack Obama President Obama recently submitted his first budget and this bold plan is needed now more than ever as we continue to face an unprecedented economic crisis. Now it's up to you to organize the support President Obama needs for this plan throughout the country. It's the only way we'll truly get the change this country needs. Create a Pledge Project Canvass in your neighborhood on Saturday, March 21st, to knock-on-doors and ask your neighbors to take a pledge of support for President Obama's bold approach to renew America’s economy and invest in energy, health care, and education. This guide will provide you with all the tools and resources you need to hold a successful Pledge Project Canvass. • A canvass is an organized effort to talk with community members face-to-face about the issues that matter to them. • Canvassing in local neighborhoods (both at the doors and in high traffic areas) is one of the most effective ways to reach out to community members about the issues that are affecting our nation. • In order to realize the change that we all fought so hard for, we must continue to reach out to our neighbors and involve them in this movement. • Collecting pledges in support of President Obama’s budget and its investments in health care, education, and energy will allow us to demonstrate the urgent need for leadership in Washington around these important issues. It is up to each one of us to take the fate of our country into our hands. Use this guide to start planning your own Pledge Project Canvass today. I don't understand what the big stink is about here. At the bottom of the links it says this. You can't copy and paste it. PAID FOR BY ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA A project for the Democratic National Committee Address,,,,,,,,, This Communication is not by any candidate or candidate's committee. |
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winx...http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_knock_on_the_door.html
their opinion isn't any less than yours. it says the same that I have been thinking this whole time |
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A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous." What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society." Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance. Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members. But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend. Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee. As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda." Obama hand salute A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors. (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.) You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email. Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies. So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader. Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States? Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards? How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"? Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"? Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all? Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors? Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word. And they are coming to have a talk with you. Where did you get that from, Willing? A Republican blog? There is nothing but fact. An investigation and questioning why obama needs his Civilian Military Movement |
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Edited by
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am I assuming (maybe incorrectly) that some of you didn't even know about the loyalty pledge you were even arguing about?
a. supporting the top 3 issues b. get us to do volunteer work c. just checking on how he's doing or even when the volunteers were go to go door to door?? |
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A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous." What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society." Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance. Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members. But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend. Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee. As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda." Obama hand salute A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors. (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.) You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email. Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies. So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader. Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States? Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards? How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"? Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"? Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all? Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors? Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word. And they are coming to have a talk with you. Where did you get that from, Willing? A Republican blog? There is nothing but fact. An investigation and questioning why obama needs his Civilian Military Movement He doesn't need a civilian military. He only needs those of us who see the sense in what he is trying to do. He is trying to get Americans involved in their country. What can be wrong with that? |
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Edited by
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winx...http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_knock_on_the_door.html their opinion isn't any less than yours. it says the same that I have been thinking this whole time I'm finding it on blog sites and anti-Obama sites. Biased sites. |
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A sitting President of the United States is "organizing a political organization loyal to him, bound by a pledge, outside the government and existing party apparatus. The historical precedents are ominous." What is so ominous about an organization? Americans, Alexis de Tocqueville famously observed, "constantly form associations.... If it is proposed to inculcate some truth or to foster some feeling by the encouragement of a great example, they form a society." Certainly, thousands of organizations seek to influence the political debate. There's Newt Gingrich's American Solutions or the left-wing People for the American Way, for instance. Political parties are another example of an association, of course. Before, during and after political campaigns, the Democrats and Republicans promote their agendas. As legal entities, they have their own constitutions, their rules of business, their chairmen and officers. They have to be accountable to both the government and their members. But there is a new organization on the political scene -- "Organizing for America," announced by President Barack Obama in late January but officially unfurled last weekend. Obama describes OFA as a "grass-roots movement" but OFA is a "project" of the Democratic National Committee. As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda." Obama hand salute A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support -- not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic Party, but Obama and his "bold plan." OFA does not use the Democratic Party logo but the "O"-shaped logo of the Obama campaign in which the red white and blue of the flag are abstracted to soft pastel colors. (Celebrities like Ashton Kuchner and Demi Moore did not wait until the official launch to "pledge to be of service" to Barack Obama, of course.) You will not find any mention of OFA`s governing structure, their budget, their bylaws, or their officers at the OFA website. Donations to the website go to the DNC, but OFA is managed out of the White House. If you click on the comments button, you are taken to a link to the White House email. Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies. So we have a Movement -- this is their term, not mine -- organized by, and loyal to, a sitting President. Pledge canvassers, armed with your name, will ask you to pledge loyalty to the President too. A president whose term has already become a permanent campaign, is signing up ground forces in a mass organization pledged to personal loyalty to their Leader. Does anyone know of any historical precedents for this in the United States? Did Mitch Stewart, youthful director of OFA, who asks Obama's acolytes to organize "neighborhood by neighborhood" study anything at school about Mao's "Red Guards? How about Fidel Castro's "widespread system of neighborhood informers"? Or Hugo Chavez's use of "neighborhood committees"? Did Stewart learn anything about democracy at all? Do any of Obama's pledged servants understand why a sitting president has no business creating and deploying his own supporters to help organize their neighbors? Keep in mind that these acolytes have renounced any thought of questioning the actual policies of the maximum leader. Whatever he says, they are for it. They have given their word. And they are coming to have a talk with you. Where did you get that from, Willing? A Republican blog? There is nothing but fact. An investigation and questioning why obama needs his Civilian Military Movement There is no Civilian Military Movement. 
It's grass roots - getting people involved. |
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winx...http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_knock_on_the_door.html their opinion isn't any less than yours. it says the same that I have been thinking this whole time I'm finding it on blog sites and anti-Obama sites. Biased sites. i gave you the link where it was from because i had looked at that site earlier. like I said....biased or not...it's their opinion and I agree with it |
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Edited by
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Willing, do you realize that the two links that you gave are unrelated?
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am I assuming (maybe incorrectly) that some of you didn't even know about the loyalty pledge you were even arguing about? different answers on what it is: a. supporting the top 3 issues b. get us to do volunteer work c. just checking on how he's doing or even when the volunteers were go to go door to door?? are you guys just now reading what it's about???? |
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winx...http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/the_knock_on_the_door.html their opinion isn't any less than yours. it says the same that I have been thinking this whole time I'm finding it on blog sites and anti-Obama sites. Biased sites. i gave you the link where it was from because i had looked at that site earlier. like I said....biased or not...it's their opinion and I agree with it You're welcome to believe what you want but that Willing should present the facts in a true light and not through propaganda and rhetoric. |
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