If we as humans have the power to stop a black ant and a red ant from fighting each other to death and

to save both lives

and if God

has these powers

why doesn't he do so?

Many say because it is not god's doing but humans who have done this to themselves.

Does that really make it right when one has the power to change or educate one a different path?

It is like two children who are punching each other

we as adults will break it up

(well I would anyway)

and say that fighting is not the way to go

so if we are the children of god

then shouldn't the god

teach us a different path

and even forcefully stop bad doings then just let it happen

If we are stopped and taught it is wrong not by another punishment like prison or torture like some think

but as a lesson that is beneficial such as a long discussion understanding different alternatives

to refute wrong decisions and clearly understanding later -- wow if only I could have controlled my emotions or sufferings

and handled the situation differently

Wouldn't that be a better lesson in the end?


I started this thread because it makes me wonder

if this god,goddess,life energy, force, or deity of any vision you choose to take

could stop bad happenings

like we stop

a bad happening between a ant

then why isn't it done?

Good question smiless. I have often wondered this myself. And I'm guilty of stomping on a few ants.



Survival of the fittest, food chain, egotistical, power, etc...

We are said to be born from sin. But, the question goes back to one of my recent threads. WHY??? Why not make us to be FREE from sin? Why does God crave drama?

This might help:

http://www.elite.net/~ebedyah/PastorsSite/weeklystudies/questionsalways/study7.htm

I guess many might not venture to go read the page linked above so let me paste excerpt.....

Wouldn’t a loving God stop evil and tragedy?

In order to answer this question it’s important to understand what evil really is. God has given humanity a free will to choose to obey or not to obey. Once a person chooses to disobey God, they are free to make further choices about their actions. If God would prevent their choices there would no longer be free will, and we would all be puppets of God. Evil is the result of disobedience. There are only two ways for God to remove evil from this world. One way would be to remove the freedom of choice from each human being. The other way would be to have a testing period where people become so strong in their faith that they can resist evil.

Most people who are upset with God for allowing suffering in the world view this life and our present existence on this planet as humanity’s main purpose. If our joy depends on our earthly happiness, then it is easy to see how some would be angry with God when someone died or when someone became ill or when others were persecuted. However, I believe we are not viewing these things from God’s viewpoint. Since we are living in this world, we are distracted by our own feelings. We have come to think that this earthly life is the only important thing. This is not what the Bible teaches and this is not a heavenly view.

We need to view our earthly life as that of a toddler learning how to walk. A toddler may fall and hurt themselves, but eventually they will learn how to walk. When that child grows up and becomes an adult, they remember little about those bumps and scrapes and tears -- they are just happy that they can walk properly. Sufferings, persecutions, and troubles help to build our faith so we can learn how to spiritually walk. What God has in mind for us after this brief earthly life, I don’t know. But I do know that it will be for an eternity. Certainly a few decades of bumps and scrapes are worth it if it prepares us for an eternity of working for God!

When we view things from God’s perspective, it changes our values. Death is no longer a tragedy, but rather a homecoming. Suffering is no longer pain, but rather an opportunity to learn to trust in God. Illness is no longer dreaded, but rather an opportunity to see God’s comfort and care. Persecution no longer makes us feel weak and helpless, but rather it makes us strong in our faith. Walking through the valley of darkness is no longer frightening, but rather it helps us to learn to walk by the light.

If a child never faces challenges when growing up, they will not learn how to cope with them as an adult. If a child is given everything they want, they will become spoiled and self-centered. If a child never meets failure, they will never learn how to trust in God. God does not want us stunted in our spiritual growth, and God does not want us to be like spoiled children. So the very things that we don’t like to see happen to us are the very things that make us a better citizen of heaven! It seems we need to learn to change our spiritual viewpoint.

What would we learn if there was no pain from error?

now you are not dealing with a religious man . but i do know the bible says we were created with free will . think of it as raising a child , you raise that child and lead them down the right path but we do not hold there hand . why? because they do not learn to deal with real life they do not learn period . it's the same with us and god , he trys to lead us down the right path and it is up to us to learn from our mistakes and become better people . there are times we will fall and skin our knees but we always learn .

very well said. words out of my mouth

The God that I believe in would not *****foot around and make us feel unwanted emotions, such as, hurt, pain, terror, etc... We would be born happy and fearless. No drama. JMO.

depends on how you look at it. IMO there are no "bad" emotions. the so called "bad" emotions can be used to motivate to do good things.

IMO....emotions aren't bad..it's what you do with them.

No "good" without "evil". Yeah, I get it. What I don't GET is WHY not just "good", and no "evil"???

I don't believe He "makes" us do anything. That's the whole point of free will.

because without evil we wouldnt understand good . would we understand how good love can feel without feeling hate . in order to aooriciate the good we have to expeience the bad .

Well put. But, for the weak minded people, I'm stating that they always do what the bible/god tells them. I'm all for free will. I live by it. Obviously. I'm saying for the feeble people...why not put into their heart and minds good...and only good, so they can live a happy, worry free life???

Not everybody has the power of a strong, sound mind, and free will.

everyone does have the ability for it . not everyone prctices it . the problem is some people fuel off the hate it is up to us to spot those people and del with them . thats why we believein an eye for an eye .

I believe someone is working on a microchip, which, implanted in the brain, will do just that.

Haha. Verizon? Altell? It wouldnt surprise me.

So the mentality of those who have posted is to let the child learn from its mistakes without teaching them ahead of time that it can be avoided. Instead just mention it is bad and good luck to you kid.

or one can say learn by experiencing on ones own instead of being educated on how to deal with the situation so it will never happen in the first place.

I don't believe this to be true

If one has the power to stop something that is bad then one should try to make it happen.

For example the situation to break up two children bashing their brains out because of a disagreement.

One can actually teach a different alternative instead ahead of time so such a instant doesn't happen in the first place.

Like walk away...

The bible actually teaches not to walk away from violence. It teaches a whole different concept on how to deal with situations that is the opposite of what we should be teaching. Stone children if they don't listen because "God whilst it".


So I can fully understand why the western world is alot more aggressive in many situations because of its teachings. I can understand if you don't see a different alternative then to fight and hit then I can fully understand why violence would be the only choice you know.

With greater powers grows greater responsiblities and it is our responsiblity to make sure to teach a different alternative to lifes lessons to children. A peaceful way even to misundertandings. Does it sound illogical to you? Will it work? Of course it will if you teach it!


There is no evil, there is only misunderstandings that can be corrected if educated. I tire when religous folks say evil when things are not done in the way their scriptures teach them.

so in otherwords, to raise a child without holding their hand is like saying well I told you so and now you suffer the consequences if you don't listen. Instead of trying a different alternative by teaching what would happen if you don't do it a certain way to avoid the uncomfortable. To be an example and rolemodel and give practice to situations so many cuts and bruises are avoided in the end.


That is why there are so many misunderstandings(evil for religious folks) because people don't hold hands when taught lessons.


It is in my opinion important so children can know how to react to situations that doesn't create such scrapes and bad results in the first place.

Teaching and Educating and (Caring) is the key to it all.

So when the child is alone and in a situation they know exactly the best alternative, because they were TRULY educated and not just "MENTIONED" and later told by the teacher "well I told you so".

I do agree we learn from mistakes, well at least most of us do, yet it doesn't answer the question why a god who has greater powers(greater responsiblity) to make sure we children don't do such acts of misunderstandings.

If god does exist who supposingly created life then he can certainly can avoid the creation of nonviolence, aggression, and negative emotions.

So in the end what everyone is saying is

God taught us in the bible on how to be

yet

he doesn't hold our hand in the lessons

because

he told us we have to do it on our own

and

good luck to you kid

instead of

holding our hand and showing us how it can be done

so we can do it right the first time if we are alone in the situation.

Wouldn't you think that would be a better teacher in the end?

I do

how can anything KNOW the pain possible from driving one's car fast and fearless, if it only HEAR a consequence as punishment, as the good reason for actions???

even the word "responsibility" envoke the lack of sight that see the "ability to re-respond" with better each minute is true learning"???

to teach a "punishment" hide that "looking at consequence" be the greatest "con", OR LACK OF SIGHT, of what come in "sequence next" from self actions SELF CREATED???

the mere sight of ANYTHING AS "right and wrong", hide that what only pit self against self???

if one is taught how to see it is always doing what it WANT, and that ALL THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN RETURN, self envoke, MAKE SELF SEE IT'S ONW "ABILITY"???

this one will be ABLE to see and know constantly HOW to create what is more good, and not fall prey to using fear alone as the good guide, which allow the true pride of learning to be instilled, and as this ANYTHING become proud of learning what it learn, FROM SEEING WHAT IT DOES THAT PRODUCE LESS THAT GOOD FOR SELF, and love of learning become as a insatiable desire released, that propell to knowing more and more each second???

if one is taught things as a "punishment", then ALL DESIRE TO LEARNING IS SUBVERTED, as now one only walk in fear of punishment???

if there be any tell of ANY WISDOM from past words, then it only be the WAY THESE PAST THINGS WERE "INTERPRETED", as the MIND INTERPRET ALL THINGS HEARD AND SEEN THRU THE WAY ITSELF THINK???

indeed the first state most propogated within a society that only TRY to use fear to force good behaviour, but what was yesterday deemed to be what is most good for today, show in itself know new learning???

to say, "drunk driving will get you slammed behind a cell door", instill more "unconscious rebellion", by using fear alone, rightfully so against what is NOT THE MOST GOOD???

to say "no great driver can drive great if it impair itself", use both fear and love, and does not imtimidate with fear as some wisdom???

anything that CREATE ALCOHOL, AND SERVE IT ON ANY STREET CORNER, THAT ONE GET TO WITH A CAR, AND THEN PREACH "DISTAIN" AND "DESPISE" OF BELITTLEMENT AS FEAR AND DICTATORSHIP DOES, see not it's OWN GREATEST ABILITY, so see not THE GREAT DRIVERS ABILITY AS WELL???

NOTHING "AT FIRST" REBELL AGAINST ANYTHING LESS IT SEE INCONSITENCY AND HYPROCISY???

I'm not really sure where you were going with that rant, but I think we agree on something, and it made me smile.



To: Smiless

To Davidben..the ultimate rant artist. I enjoy reading your posts, even though they make no or little sense to me. Dude...you should really write a book. If half of the sh!t you post in here is from you? You have got to get that stuff published.

Hitler was a misunderstanding ? there are some evils out there that can only be handled with force . there is no eternal peace , never will be because of human nature . all know the difference of wrong from right but some choose to ignore it . we can tell someone all we want dont kill that person but if they make the CHOICE not to listen then there are punishments for that action . unfortunately there can be no peace without action .