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To Davidben..the ultimate rant artist. I enjoy reading your posts, even though they make no or little sense to me. Dude...you should really write a book. If half of the sh!t you post in here is from you? You have got to get that stuff published. lol!!! your cool man. if it be published, it become as stale bread??? if it be published, IT BECOME A RELIGION, LOL. You could very well become the next "messiah". No bs. IMPOSSIBLE, as i am but a lump of **** upon the face of the earth!!! and second of all, THIS NO WISDOM WOULD EVER WISH OR ALLOW TO BECOME!!! any truth, any love, any wisdom, can only be evidenced by TRUTH ALWAYS POINTING ALL THINGS BACK TO ITSELF??? but, peace unto infinite peace shall soon overcome the entire plantet, and only what follow no "belief" see what is MOST REAL!!! piece |
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Mr. Miles Smiless need to enlighten you,
If a child becomes inobedient, revolting, or a troublemaker it is because the parent didn't do a good job in educating, caring, and showing the consequences of negative approaches. One doesn't need a religious document to teach a child how to live a life. One can live under one rule only "Don't do that what you don't want done to you" and show examples to learn the lessons a child needs to know concerning valuable morales Violence - including spankings is not a lesson it is a "fear" tactic to show who is in control and if you don't obey then you will get it from me! that is not teaching a valuable lesson in my opinion it is teaching how to get someone to fear you My relation with my child will never be to where I am feared but to be loved, trusted, cared, and understanding Now I am sure you are saying well what do you do with a child who is unruly well first of all children are not unruly! They just don't know and that is where education begins My daughter straight A student honor role student, schools spelling bee champion, never fought anyone, walks away from violence, believes in the power of now this moment and not what was, enjoys life, and learns the first time when something is wrong without the resort of violence, although this rarely happens as I am always there one step ahead teaching what to avoid and what to not do, by also giving examples (not on her) but to show what could happen. We are the "Gods" for our children. Not the bible, not the torah, not the koran, or any other works of art that one holds holy. When a child does a mistake it is primarily because they didn't know or the influence of peer pressure. So you have to teach your child how to react to negative, how to deal with the situations, and to live a more positive life. and not say" well I told you so" I never raised a hand to any child or woman I never treat my child less then me but as a equal and that is the same for my wife and that is how you raise family not the teachings of any religious document that tells you otherwise. Woman are not less then you Children are not less then you and we don't teach "fear" to stimulate good behavior unlike many religous documents written by men who didn't know how to control their families and found the only solution in doing so is by teaching "harsh" tactics. |
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i was refering to film freak responding like soldiers are mass murderers . what we have done in service of our country is the reason he can be here arguing his point . I wasnt referring to you personally. But, most people in the military ARE mass murderes of innocent people. Look at Vietnam, Iraq, Japan, etc... Sure, we provoked them, but does that give us the right? Off topic...we'll save this for another thread. |
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Mr. Miles Smiless need to enlighten you, If a child becomes inobedient, revolting, or a troublemaker it is because the parent didn't do a good job in educating, caring, and showing the consequences of negative approaches. One doesn't need a religious document to teach a child how to live a life. One can live under one rule only "Don't do that what you don't want done to you" and show examples to learn the lessons a child needs to know concerning valuable morales Violence - including spankings is not a lesson it is a "fear" tactic to show who is in control and if you don't obey then you will get it from me! that is not teaching a valuable lesson in my opinion it is teaching how to get someone to fear you My relation with my child will never be to where I am feared but to be loved, trusted, cared, and understanding Now I am sure you are saying well what do you do with a child who is unruly well first of all children are not unruly! They just don't know and that is where education begins My daughter straight A student honor role student, schools spelling bee champion, never fought anyone, walks away from violence, believes in the power of now this moment and not what was, enjoys life, and learns the first time when something is wrong without the resort of violence, although this rarely happens as I am always there one step ahead teaching what to avoid and what to not do, by also giving examples (not on her) but to show what could happen. We are the "Gods" for our children. Not the bible, not the torah, not the koran, or any other works of art that one holds holy. When a child does a mistake it is primarily because they didn't know or the influence of peer pressure. So you have to teach your child how to react to negative, how to deal with the situations, and to live a more positive life. and not say" well I told you so" I never raised a hand to any child or woman I never treat my child less then me but as a equal and that is the same for my wife and that is how you raise family not the teachings of any religious document that tells you otherwise. Woman are not less then you Children are not less then you and we don't teach "fear" to stimulate good behavior unlike many religous documents written by men who didn't know how to control their families and found the only solution in doing so is by teaching "harsh" tactics. let me get one thing straight . we can only point our children down the right path b teaching them wrong from right . which you are correct you dont need the bible to do . but i reiderate it is common since because religion made it so . my parents did a great job raising me taught me wrong from right and every mistake i have made because i chose not to listen to what they taught me my whole life has nothing to do with where they made mistakes . |
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Mr. Miles Smiless need to enlighten you, If a child becomes inobedient, revolting, or a troublemaker it is because the parent didn't do a good job in educating, caring, and showing the consequences of negative approaches. One doesn't need a religious document to teach a child how to live a life. One can live under one rule only "Don't do that what you don't want done to you" and show examples to learn the lessons a child needs to know concerning valuable morales Violence - including spankings is not a lesson it is a "fear" tactic to show who is in control and if you don't obey then you will get it from me! that is not teaching a valuable lesson in my opinion it is teaching how to get someone to fear you My relation with my child will never be to where I am feared but to be loved, trusted, cared, and understanding Now I am sure you are saying well what do you do with a child who is unruly well first of all children are not unruly! They just don't know and that is where education begins My daughter straight A student honor role student, schools spelling bee champion, never fought anyone, walks away from violence, believes in the power of now this moment and not what was, enjoys life, and learns the first time when something is wrong without the resort of violence, although this rarely happens as I am always there one step ahead teaching what to avoid and what to not do, by also giving examples (not on her) but to show what could happen. We are the "Gods" for our children. Not the bible, not the torah, not the koran, or any other works of art that one holds holy. When a child does a mistake it is primarily because they didn't know or the influence of peer pressure. So you have to teach your child how to react to negative, how to deal with the situations, and to live a more positive life. and not say" well I told you so" I never raised a hand to any child or woman I never treat my child less then me but as a equal and that is the same for my wife and that is how you raise family not the teachings of any religious document that tells you otherwise. Woman are not less then you Children are not less then you and we don't teach "fear" to stimulate good behavior unlike many religous documents written by men who didn't know how to control their families and found the only solution in doing so is by teaching "harsh" tactics. true a parent should do the best they can. But to say that all children that get in trouble is because of thier parents is sad you think that. Peer pressure is the biggest motivator a child has. The gangs are you going to tell me childrens parents are at fault when they become a gang member? Schools have came into your house as a arm of the Govt. If you do not understand that then I do not know what to say. Then statistics for our prisons and teen sex and pregnacies ect. have went way up. What is your reasoning MR Smiles this has happened and Prisons are overflowing? Shalom...Miles |
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not all punishments are fear tactics. it depends on the "punisher". when my son got punished...it was to teach him a lesson to carry into adulthood. you do the crime...you do the time. doesn't mean fear me because i'm a bad a**. means own up to your bads and learn from them.
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If I ever have a kid/kids, they will be home schooled.
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Milesoftheusa
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If I ever have a kid/kids, they will be home schooled. I tell u I wished I would of from the beginning. They are doing ok but it was not easy. I fought against friends actually who homeschooled thier kids from 3 to 16 or 17 thier kids were ready for college by then. Those kids never had a problem fitting in like so many said they would and sorry to say i thought so to. They have done very good.. Good luck to you.. A wise decision.. Blessings...Miles |
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If I ever have a kid/kids, they will be home schooled. not all are bad. we are in a district with great teachers and staff that actually care. it taught my son how to interact with others. you won't always get along but you have to learn how to handle it....just like the work world my cousin is home schooled and has no social skills. when she turns 18....she won't function in the world and will be frightened. not all home schoolers are this way...just an example from personal knowledge |
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Mr. Miles Smiless need to enlighten you, If a child becomes inobedient, revolting, or a troublemaker it is because the parent didn't do a good job in educating, caring, and showing the consequences of negative approaches. One doesn't need a religious document to teach a child how to live a life. One can live under one rule only "Don't do that what you don't want done to you" and show examples to learn the lessons a child needs to know concerning valuable morales Violence - including spankings is not a lesson it is a "fear" tactic to show who is in control and if you don't obey then you will get it from me! that is not teaching a valuable lesson in my opinion it is teaching how to get someone to fear you My relation with my child will never be to where I am feared but to be loved, trusted, cared, and understanding Now I am sure you are saying well what do you do with a child who is unruly well first of all children are not unruly! They just don't know and that is where education begins My daughter straight A student honor role student, schools spelling bee champion, never fought anyone, walks away from violence, believes in the power of now this moment and not what was, enjoys life, and learns the first time when something is wrong without the resort of violence, although this rarely happens as I am always there one step ahead teaching what to avoid and what to not do, by also giving examples (not on her) but to show what could happen. We are the "Gods" for our children. Not the bible, not the torah, not the koran, or any other works of art that one holds holy. When a child does a mistake it is primarily because they didn't know or the influence of peer pressure. So you have to teach your child how to react to negative, how to deal with the situations, and to live a more positive life. and not say" well I told you so" I never raised a hand to any child or woman I never treat my child less then me but as a equal and that is the same for my wife and that is how you raise family not the teachings of any religious document that tells you otherwise. Woman are not less then you Children are not less then you and we don't teach "fear" to stimulate good behavior unlike many religous documents written by men who didn't know how to control their families and found the only solution in doing so is by teaching "harsh" tactics. true a parent should do the best they can. But to say that all children that get in trouble is because of thier parents is sad you think that. Peer pressure is the biggest motivator a child has. The gangs are you going to tell me childrens parents are at fault when they become a gang member? Schools have came into your house as a arm of the Govt. If you do not understand that then I do not know what to say. Then statistics for our prisons and teen sex and pregnacies ect. have went way up. What is your reasoning MR Smiles this has happened and Prisons are overflowing? Shalom...Miles I have mentioned that "peer pressure" is a big problem in this country. There is alot of wrong in this country and I think personally it has to do with "educating" especially in schools by those who care for the child by not truly getting out of your way and really showing the consequences if a child is pregnant is because they weren't educated the consequences. I personally like the lesson teenagers get on taking care of a child mechanical for a whole month to understand the responsiblity of taking care of a child. the education of condems and most of all that there are actually many more greater things to explore besides having sex, which I know many will refute with me, but for that age one can teach it. when it comes to the prison system it is just a business for cheap labor. Those who go to jail usually come out worse then when they went in. So yes prison systems are not Teaching anything. They teach racism, prejudice, to live in fear, and to grow more angry when going out. The prison system doesn't teach what they did wrong and how to avoid it in the future. The prison system is not helping many at all. If anything to fear it. If that is what you think is educating and preventing from that person to return then you are wrong for it is not working obviously. There needs to be real psychologists educated who try to get them back in society without harming any at the process. Racism, prejudice shouldn't be allowed in the prison system. Instead the prisoners need to be educated. I personally like how Denmark's prison system works. They have a amazingly high statistic on those who served to live in society in peace without being destructive to others anymore. I am against the death row. I know many in this country are for it. Education is essential. If negative actions happen it is because one wasn't educated. Instead of sitting around saying it is envitable believing it is a normal way of life, why don't you truly do something about it? Let us begin with the school systems. America doesn't even rank the top 20 on education anymore. Children are left behind and passed without knowing much. I see in public schools how latin children get passed without speaking a word of english or able to do a simple math equation. America has more crime then all of Europe put together if you look at statistics. Now why do you think this is. It is education and in order to ensure everyone education in this country we have to change the minds of a great many people. First off education is not a "privilige" but a "humanatarian must. Education shouldn't cost a single dollar and should have the same material as the most expensive private schools has to offer. This means every child is entitled to a good education. Colleges and Universities shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and only a select few are accepted. That is ludicrous! College and Universities is not a privilige. It shouldn't be a business. It should be a recommendation. The poor student gets his degree and is set off in the world with a huge debt. Now that is great. Just like "health care" shouldn't be a "privilige". It is a humanatarian need. I have received my degrees for free and are equivalent to an American College Degree. I have full health insurance and it doesn't cost me a single dime. I will let you guess which country practices this. In the long run prison systems can be less in this country. Life can be better and it doesn't have to be preached by the God of Abraham or any writings from a culture of people that lived over 2000 years ago to do so. |
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what child that is taught anything is a mistake, does not deem itself a failure, and see not it is only here to learn???
CAN A DISCOVER THINK ONE THING IT FIND IT OF LESS IMPORTANCE??? can a scientist think ONE THING IT FIND AS DATA BE AS INFERIOR??? this is indeed logic that CAN NEVER ASSIMILATE ALL DATA, SO IT WILL LEAVE OUT MUCH??? yes, these things are not what has been perhaps heard in days past, but does that make them as less real or true??? is it a child not being taught that GOOD AND BAD work together in ALL WAYS AS ONE, not two, as right and wrong, that will allow it to fall prey to many things??? THIS WILL TEACH SELF TO NOT HEED THAT HURT ITSELF??? IT WILL TEACH TO LOOK TO OTHERS FOR GOOD KNOWING, SO WILL ONLY BECOME MORE AS OTHER'S THAT IT SEE??? the more anything have IT'S OWN SELF AS GUIDE, THE MORE FREE IT IS TO SEE BETTER WISDOM??? so it is only to teach a child to FEEL CLOSELY, AND EVEN MORE CLOSELY, WHAT MAKE ITSELF UNHAPPY??? if this is taught from birth, there is no way BRILLIANCE WILL NOT BECOME!!! to teach "right and wrong", IS RELIGION!!! to teach MIS TAKE, is RELIGION!!! what is mistake, but a mis take, BUT TO STEP FORWARD ONE MUST STEP FIRST WITH NO KNOWING??? ONLY "AFTER" THE STEP, CAN ONE SEE WHAT BE BETTER??? MISTAKE TEACH TO STARE BACK WARDS, SO TO CRASH GOING FOR WARD??? so to teach and tell anything there is MISTAKE, is to subvert the DESIRE TO LEARN THRU FEAR??? yea, it is not misssed that one must accept itself FIRST, to think such things as true, as if self believe itself has made many mis take, it must FIRST EMBRACE THESE AS THE GREATEST WISDOM IN THE PLANET, NOT AS DESPISED FAILURES, TO NOT RE-CREATE THE SAME EXPERIENCE AND LOGIC IN ALL IT TOUCH??? IF SELF DOES NOT SEE HOW WHAT IT'S OWN "NEGATIVE" is what tell it MOST GOOD, then it only see "half of true most reality"??? HOW CAN ANYTHING BE DEEMED AS A MIS TAKE, OR AS A MIS STEP, unless one deem others steps as less than their own first??? unless one has SEEN THE FUTURE IN ADVANCE, THEN ONLY "BAD" TELL SELF WHAT IS BETTER, SO TO TEACH WHAT HELP SELF TO "LOVE" THE BAD ITSELF DOES, actually FREE THE LOGIC TO FREEDOM!!! to teach good teach to make anything HATE ITSELF, WHICH IS GUILT, WHICH PRODUCE NO BETTER LOGIC, JUST DIFFERENT WILLED ACTIONS, which is NO FREEDOM OF SELF??? IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THIS BUT IN ONLY ONE WAY??? one indeed must accept the negative of itself to embrace the negative of another, but what is love or understanding or wisdom that cannot do this, as anything else simply make for A WORLD OF ACCUSATIONS AND ADVICE THAT ADD VICE TO OTHERS??? so your neighbor gets hurt from what one said??? does that mean what one said was false??? IT WILL MAKE SELF BELIEVE THIS IN DUE TIME IF SELF THINK ABOUT THINGS AS "MISTAKES"??? then one allow the big bad wolf to render itself as helpless while it's friends are raped and killed, by what present itself as "little innocent red riding hood"??? so self in this state and belief will only perpetaute false self confidence in itself, by trying to tell other's how to do what is good, WHICH ONLY MAKE SELF TAKE TAKE MORE "PERCIEVED" MIS STEPS AND MIS TAKES ITSELF, or just what has no possible way to show self what is more!!! ??? unpeace be the ONLY THING IN THE UNNIVERSE THAT SHOW WHAT PEACE IS, so it is MORE GOOD THAN PEACE!!! anything that think of it as this will EVER CEASE TO HAVE INFINITE PEACE. |
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Mr. Miles Smiless need to enlighten you, If a child becomes inobedient, revolting, or a troublemaker it is because the parent didn't do a good job in educating, caring, and showing the consequences of negative approaches. One doesn't need a religious document to teach a child how to live a life. One can live under one rule only "Don't do that what you don't want done to you" and show examples to learn the lessons a child needs to know concerning valuable morales Violence - including spankings is not a lesson it is a "fear" tactic to show who is in control and if you don't obey then you will get it from me! that is not teaching a valuable lesson in my opinion it is teaching how to get someone to fear you My relation with my child will never be to where I am feared but to be loved, trusted, cared, and understanding Now I am sure you are saying well what do you do with a child who is unruly well first of all children are not unruly! They just don't know and that is where education begins My daughter straight A student honor role student, schools spelling bee champion, never fought anyone, walks away from violence, believes in the power of now this moment and not what was, enjoys life, and learns the first time when something is wrong without the resort of violence, although this rarely happens as I am always there one step ahead teaching what to avoid and what to not do, by also giving examples (not on her) but to show what could happen. We are the "Gods" for our children. Not the bible, not the torah, not the koran, or any other works of art that one holds holy. When a child does a mistake it is primarily because they didn't know or the influence of peer pressure. So you have to teach your child how to react to negative, how to deal with the situations, and to live a more positive life. and not say" well I told you so" I never raised a hand to any child or woman I never treat my child less then me but as a equal and that is the same for my wife and that is how you raise family not the teachings of any religious document that tells you otherwise. Woman are not less then you Children are not less then you and we don't teach "fear" to stimulate good behavior unlike many religous documents written by men who didn't know how to control their families and found the only solution in doing so is by teaching "harsh" tactics. true a parent should do the best they can. But to say that all children that get in trouble is because of thier parents is sad you think that. Peer pressure is the biggest motivator a child has. The gangs are you going to tell me childrens parents are at fault when they become a gang member? Schools have came into your house as a arm of the Govt. If you do not understand that then I do not know what to say. Then statistics for our prisons and teen sex and pregnacies ect. have went way up. What is your reasoning MR Smiles this has happened and Prisons are overflowing? Shalom...Miles I have mentioned that "peer pressure" is a big problem in this country. There is alot of wrong in this country and I think personally it has to do with "educating" especially in schools by those who care for the child by not truly getting out of your way and really showing the consequences if a child is pregnant is because they weren't educated the consequences. I personally like the lesson teenagers get on taking care of a child mechanical for a whole month to understand the responsiblity of taking care of a child. the education of condems and most of all that there are actually many more greater things to explore besides having sex, which I know many will refute with me, but for that age one can teach it. when it comes to the prison system it is just a business for cheap labor. Those who go to jail usually come out worse then when they went in. So yes prison systems are not Teaching anything. They teach racism, prejudice, to live in fear, and to grow more angry when going out. The prison system doesn't teach what they did wrong and how to avoid it in the future. The prison system is not helping many at all. If anything to fear it. If that is what you think is educating and preventing from that person to return then you are wrong for it is not working obviously. There needs to be real psychologists educated who try to get them back in society without harming any at the process. Racism, prejudice shouldn't be allowed in the prison system. Instead the prisoners need to be educated. I personally like how Denmark's prison system works. They have a amazingly high statistic on those who served to live in society in peace without being destructive to others anymore. I am against the death row. I know many in this country are for it. Education is essential. If negative actions happen it is because one wasn't educated. Instead of sitting around saying it is envitable believing it is a normal way of life, why don't you truly do something about it? Let us begin with the school systems. America doesn't even rank the top 20 on education anymore. Children are left behind and passed without knowing much. I see in public schools how latin children get passed without speaking a word of english or able to do a simple math equation. America has more crime then all of Europe put together if you look at statistics. Now why do you think this is. It is education and in order to ensure everyone education in this country we have to change the minds of a great many people. First off education is not a "privilige" but a "humanatarian must. Education shouldn't cost a single dollar and should have the same material as the most expensive private schools has to offer. This means every child is entitled to a good education. Colleges and Universities shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and only a select few are accepted. That is ludicrous! College and Universities is not a privilige. It shouldn't be a business. It should be a recommendation. The poor student gets his degree and is set off in the world with a huge debt. Now that is great. Just like "health care" shouldn't be a "privilige". It is a humanatarian need. I have received my degrees for free and are equivalent to an American College Degree. I have full health insurance and it doesn't cost me a single dime. I will let you guess which country practices this. In the long run prison systems can be less in this country. Life can be better and it doesn't have to be preached by the God of Abraham or any writings from a culture of people that lived over 2000 years ago to do so. I agree on the education that it should be free. I do not know if it still is or not but California once you had 1 year of living thier or as a dependant college was free. Free health care sounds like NZ which i would love to live in. I believe they have the best system for the people in the world all round. But my whole reasoning behind the Prison population going sky high is the Bible being taken out of the schools k-12. This is when the Police state started here. The phycology experts came in and said what is right and what is wrong. Look at what has happened all of a sudden in the 80's or before if schools had any problems with your child they recommended a Phycolgists exam and so many times Ritilin as a cure. Going futher they started looking at the home and you can find anything you want in a home and make it look anyway you want to if you are the authority. Social Services blossomed. All these to take control of our children. To change a nation. 1 at most 2 generations ruled by a governing athority who does not go by the peoples wishes but as a few see fit will change the thoughts very quickly as the older generation dies out. How many dictators have said Give me the children and we will take a nation. You may not want to believe this but this i truely believe is what has happened. They knew where and when to do this. The public schools was the breeding ground to tell us what our children will do and what the parent will do with that child. Then state colleges finish the job. Better have really strong faith their. Head start which seems like such a great program. Why did we need head start? Because they convinced us we need 2 jobs.. We need lower wages. This is progress. so Head start (our Govt.) says we have a great I dea we will start teaching little Jonny at age 3. So all this is a plan that has worked very well. As our current world crisis is a very good plan. Just look at what congress heard about the SEC knowing we were being defrauded 7 years ago and refused to do anything about it which caused this WORLD Crisis. Do you not believe this was not a planned action? Believe me the ones who rule us know exactly what they are doing and I am trying to do something about it but people want to say I am nuts. This may seem off the beaten path, but is it? Does it not all come to the same conclussion? I do not know if the wheels can be stopped. The rich have no worries thats for sure. But everytime we have this happen the middle class soon suffers which means our children will. The last time this happened. The early 80's. how many stay at home moms were thier before that crisis? Then after? Yea take the will of the child and the will of the people will be yours.. Blessings ...Miles |
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This has always been a BIG question for me. When you consider that our life here is but a vapor, and eternity is forever, you can get it.
But still. A meteor hitting the IRS? A tornado hits the White House? Fire ants invade the CIA? Come on God. Please, just one of these? Psalm 37 - The Insecurity of the Wicked Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. 2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. 3 Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily [1] thou shalt be fed. 4 Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. 5 Commit [2] thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. 6 And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. 7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him: fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass. 8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil. 9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth. 10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. 11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace... |
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