They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone you just like they said they would
They'll stone you when you're trying to go home
They'll stone you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

They'll stone you when you're walking on the street
They'll stone you when you're trying to keep your seat
They'll stone you when your walking on the floor
They'll stone you when your walking to the door
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

They'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table
They'll stone you when you are young and able
They'll stone you when you're trying to make a buck
They'll stone you and then they'll say good luck
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

Well They'll stone you and say that it's the end
They'll stone you and then they'll come back again
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car
They'll stone you when you're playing you guitar
Yes But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
Alright

Well They'll stone you when you are all alone
They'll stone you when you are walking home
They'll stone you and then say they're all brave
They'll stone you when you're send down in your grave
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

Bob Dylan

Sung to Bob Dylan's "Everybody Must Get Stoned."

For touching Mount Sinai

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13

For taking "accursed things"

Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26

For cursing or blaspheming

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

For worshipping other gods

If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

For disobeying parents

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

For witches and wizards

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

For giving your children to Molech

Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

For breaking the Sabbath

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

For cursing the king

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

You know i have tried to be corgial and listen and even defend your alls view.

I see alot that believers can believe but they are not going to try and shove it down my throat.

I look at the posts and who is really doing the shoving?

I make a post and ask for a reasonable answer.

It is never answered. a few posts continue and subject matter slowly but surely gets changed back to what Darwinists want it to be.

Thats called an Agenda. nothing but.

More Darwinists in a Religion forum than believers.

Your good at attacking and trying to ridicule.

Not a debate or a discussion because it always comes back to the same thing.

Attack the Elohim of Abraham. He is evil. He has to be.

Yet it is not in your field of study yet you believe you have all the answers.

A quagmire of idioticies to run a system of beliefs into the ground.

Your guilty of the exact thing you say you hate.

Did I say when I was answered only with "Off Topic"

Oh so you are saying baby killing is ok but we must save the wolves at all cost.

That is what you mean right?

That would be a true debate and respect for the other I am sure you would agree.

Why not all animals are more important than Humans. By goodness we evolved from a reptile you can tell from a fetus.

Oh well if the fetus looks like a reptile at some point then we must put it on the endangerous Species list and protect it at all cost.

It's an antient Reptile chain of events that can be proven without doubt it is Science.

Crazy huh?

Well so is so much of this jumping on the bandwagon to try and overtake not a thread but a whole Community.


If you love animals and they are your grandparents go talk to them and see if they answer you.

I am sure they will make more sence

Rainbow Trout started it and hes a Christian. What do you want me to do? Everything i posted came from the bible OT.

Sounds a bit defensive but yet the post you quote is biblical in origin?? I did not see her shoving but stating the biblical reasons for stoning and she may have missed a few.

Shame of the biblical teachings is a personal problem. And comparing stoning people to abortion is not a valid comparison at any level. Just as being pro-life and believing in the death penalty is contradictory.

I am seeing a bit of hypocracy here. No offense intended, just confusion.

no belief cause any harm, until it convince self there is a "we" and a "they"???

the human brain is naturally polorized to "we" being all that accept self, and all self accept???

"they" is what does not accept self, and all that self does not accept???

in the day "we and they" become as one, then all old things that plagued are passed away into greater knowing???

the small minded brain is like a magnet unto all itself is, and the large minded brain is like a magnet unto all that itself is as not.......

I see my op has been takin' slightly out of text, no matter though it produced quite a discussion. Which is all I was aiming for, my favorite post so far that i've read, basically said " kick rocks and go to a christian singles site" good times. I have never attacked anyone's choice on the subject, nor have i claimed to be a marter or oppressed. Just merely throwing up something in the air i notice in the world and in the church. The op had no underlying meaning, no need to be analyzed to form conclusions based on my use of adjectives. Rock on my bruddas and sistas.

I seek truth for truth's sake. I have faith in whatever truth is.

God or not, what is ... is.

I do not live in doubt. I know I exist.

That is all I know. That is all any of us can know.

Do I believe in ancient scriptures of myth and dogma? Not really. But that has little to do with anything in my reality. Do I disbelieve it? Not really. Some of it could be true.

It does not matter.

Quote me, your getting very dramatic and mixing up different people entirely and as well as different threads as well.

I was the one that told you to do that and it would behoove you to refer to me by name. I merely pointed out to you the reason why this thread would be met with such annoyance and exasperation. You have General Religion and you have Christian Singles. If you want to state that you are being attacked (or that Christians) are being attacked for their beliefs on this forum then you will receive an ear full.

Krimsa said:

Abracadabra said:




This is a little off topic but since the OP deactivated, Im sure he wont mind. I actually got into an argument/debate with a Christian not too long ago about this very subject. Whether or not other animals besides humans posses souls. The Christian was insisting that man was the only one granted a spirit by god.

That to me just seems counter intuitive. I realize it is a highly subjective topic because probably many of us posses differing opinions about what constitutes a soul or spirit. To me, it is entwined with our individual life force and personality. Its what makes each one of us unique and different. Who here has had a pet and recognizes that they can be very different from one another?

I guess it is a topic for another thread.

indeed it shall be found that to "stone" another unto death is the same premise as a modern day court???

for all accusers to face the "accused", and speak their "stones of accusations"???

within text, "stones" are the "proposed reality or truth", and these are to be spoken in public against the proposed "rebellious, or drunkard, or adulturer, or any other case"???

obama just cast "stones" at exec's of the bailout, and this is just his "words" of accusation???

the show "intervention" cast stones with all gathered around, the accused brought before the people, and all those that see what "one" is doing to self, and unto others, is "emotionally stoned" unto EMOTIONAL DEATH???

the "individual" with "free will" decide how ALL WORDS ARE INTENDED???

but indeed, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is the very FIRST RULE OF GOD, so if this one is NOT BROKEN, then such things have a totally different meaning???

anytime "death" is commanded of another, IT IS AN "EMOTIONAL DEATH", as to hear the "truth", or what is more real than just what "two eye's of self see", then the one hearing from many others of what "self" has become, then of course, emotional death results, lol......

just a "breaking down of pride", that kept one from seeing IT'S OWN ACTIONS???

this we do each day in modern society, when anything is shown it SEE'S NOT IT'S OWN ACTIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT AND HURT OTHERS???

it is only a heart that reside in violence and war and strife, that create the DEFINITION taken from any words read or heard???

I read you piece on believing or not believing and find it very, very interesting..I just wanted to tell you that...I sometimes think those things myself...but I know I shouldn't feel that way about God...he will punish me...you are very brave and NO, I would not be angry if everyone got into heaven no matter what they believed....

Punishment comes to us from our own wrong thinking, not from God. Your thoughts direct your fate and life. You are your own worst enemy and you can be your own best friend. It depends on how you use your thoughts.

"DeKLiNe0fMaN"... if that was true then you would also be praising Allah and Zeus and all the other Gods because what if they actually exist

see how your reasoning falls into the realm of delusion and paranioa

I remember thinking that before. Why can't people just believe in their God? Why does it have to be forced upon other people? Why can't people (my family in particular) just be happy for me?

It's just not that simple when you're talking about religion. My family truly, like most other Christians, feel like they are fighting for my eternal soul. And everyones ele's eternal souls. When you truly believe in something, no matter what religion you are, you will go out spreading it to others. you have to. You also must denounce other people's religions as wrong because you are being told, yours is the only right one. And you can't do both. You can't truly be a Christian and then agree with the Jehovah Witness that knocks on your door.

Funches... you bring up delusions and paranoia a lot.
Just because some people believe differently than you do, doesn't mean they're delusional.

you can't make the fear of hell the only reason you would believe in God. Tho I do believe that's the intended purpose of "hell" to scare others into behaving.

Freewill is a beautiful thing. I choose not to believe in Christianity because I CAN. It's a risk I'm willing to take. I like to live dangerously.

I think it was said best by Bill Maher in Religulous, basically, if you are believing simply to take the "safe bet", then that is the wrong answer.
In my own opinion, if a god exists, and it is the Judaeo-Christian god, then all those who are believers simply to take the safe bet, will find themselves right next to the unbelievers.



Religion does not provide a meaning to your life, it only gives the illusion of a meaning.