Topic: What do think that it takes to cause ....
Marley's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:07 PM
Edited by Marley on Fri 01/02/09 04:11 PM

This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:08 PM

...a person to take their own life?
Sometimes,, just someone to ask about it.




I have many thoughts but to be ever in that mind frame,,I have not nor would NEVER have that as my thought..
WELL,,wait a minute..
ok,,IF,,I knew I was dying and it was slow long, and changing my entire person into a ugly thing for my kids to view..MAYBE
But THATS the only way I could have that thought..

mika159's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:19 PM
Fear is obvious, look deeper at our behaviour,
we leave home, we fear lonelyness so we couple, how many of us truly have the courage to wait for the right one?
We fear segrigation (is that spelt right?) so we smoke ,drink, take drugs, what ever our peers are doing around us.
When oportunity knocks we would lie to get our hands on the prize, why? we fear to miss out.

rare is the soul with the courage to wait, it is not in our nature.

maybe not so far from the point as it first seems, bit of a thinker.

Citizen_Joe's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:20 PM

The feeling of complete hopelessness....

and the I.R.S...lol.


No, that causes homicide.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:26 PM


This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?



I think it might be becuase once you get on the downward spiral, you are now afraid to sink lower, but at the same time afraid to pull back out of it...maybe for the fear of failing? One way to look at it, is that if you can't get any lower...then the only other way is UP. The problem with such extreme human emotion is that during those times we can't see that even if the problem/situation doesn't get better, (unless it's a terminal disease, or you're in the middle of some horrific injury/accident)nothing is that bad to just stop breathing, the only way to solve it is to actually do something TO solve it, or at least work around it. Someone once told me they heard a saying-"don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff." Although I don't agree that it is ALL small stuff, about 80% is, some things we can't change anyway, so if we focus on the things we can change, we (hopefully) won't feel so overwhelmed, or at least not to the point where we feel hopeless and helpless. We all have worth, courage, and strength, sometimes we just forget where to find it.

mika159's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:36 PM



This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?



I think it might be becuase once you get on the downward spiral, you are now afraid to sink lower, but at the same time afraid to pull back out of it...maybe for the fear of failing? One way to look at it, is that if you can't get any lower...then the only other way is UP. The problem with such extreme human emotion is that during those times we can't see that even if the problem/situation doesn't get better, (unless it's a terminal disease, or you're in the middle of some horrific injury/accident)nothing is that bad to just stop breathing, the only way to solve it is to actually do something TO solve it, or at least work around it. Someone once told me they heard a saying-"don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff." Although I don't agree that it is ALL small stuff, about 80% is, some things we can't change anyway, so if we focus on the things we can change, we (hopefully) won't feel so overwhelmed, or at least not to the point where we feel hopeless and helpless. We all have worth, courage, and strength, sometimes we just forget where to find it.


a good point but this is remedial and the post is most definatly postulative is it not.lol

motowndowntown's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:37 PM

...a person to take their own life?

The obvious question is why are you asking?

nogames39's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:41 PM

...a person to take their own life?


Stupidity, utter and irreparable stupidity leads as a reason for suicide among all other causes. Not to say that there are no other causes.

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Fri 01/02/09 04:41 PM
To be real with this,,
IF any mind had that ANSWER, then WE could stop that from ever happening,,,as yet,,I believe there are MANY THOUGHTS of the reasoning but no PURE RULE,,covers them ALL!
So to ask is to still find only conjecture as to their motives.

WE CAN ALL only TRY to SEE that frame of mind in a friend so as WE TRY to seek out help for them to find their control again.:heart:

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Fri 01/02/09 04:47 PM
The major reason for suicide is mental disorders...major depression, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, mood disorders... all brain chemistry imbalances. If folks do not stay on medications, and many do not, and self medicate with drugs/alcohol, their conditions can spiral downward, out of control. Some become psychotic and lose contact with reality. Some experience auditory and visual hallucinations of a command nature that tell them they are worthless, useless and to kill themselves and sometimes others. These conditions are much different that the occasional depressed or down mood we all feel from time-to-time and are only controlled with medication and therapy.

mika159's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:49 PM
we could always try a weiji board an just ask.lol

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Fri 01/02/09 04:51 PM

The major reason for suicide is mental disorders...major depression, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, mood disorders... all brain chemistry imbalances. If folks do not stay on medications, and many do not, and self medicate with drugs/alcohol, their conditions can spiral downward, out of control. Some become psychotic and lose contact with reality. Some experience auditory and visual hallucinations of a command nature that tell them they are worthless, useless and to kill themselves and sometimes others. These conditions are much different that the occasional depressed or down mood we all feel from time-to-time and is only controlled with medication and therapy.
You forgot genetics, and so many have been put on the WRONG meds.. and when YOU lose you job,,how do you afford the meds?
And when you lose your thinking process, how would you even know to take anything...
We have not yet opened all the doors of our minds, and it will be a long time yet to learn all the whys.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:52 PM




This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?



I think it might be becuase once you get on the downward spiral, you are now afraid to sink lower, but at the same time afraid to pull back out of it...maybe for the fear of failing? One way to look at it, is that if you can't get any lower...then the only other way is UP. The problem with such extreme human emotion is that during those times we can't see that even if the problem/situation doesn't get better, (unless it's a terminal disease, or you're in the middle of some horrific injury/accident)nothing is that bad to just stop breathing, the only way to solve it is to actually do something TO solve it, or at least work around it. Someone once told me they heard a saying-"don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff." Although I don't agree that it is ALL small stuff, about 80% is, some things we can't change anyway, so if we focus on the things we can change, we (hopefully) won't feel so overwhelmed, or at least not to the point where we feel hopeless and helpless. We all have worth, courage, and strength, sometimes we just forget where to find it.


a good point but this is remedial and the post is most definatly postulative is it not.lol


In a way, but that is partly why things can get to a "desperate" place, we take the most basic, or remedial things for granted sometimes, and forget what is really important, and for some EVERYTHING starts snowballing until even the little inseconsequential things can seem hopeless, and we don't think to step back and see it for what it really is...or isn't. We all tend to over think, over rationalize, and even exaggerate things at times.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:53 PM

...a person to take their own life?


Trying to meet someone on line?



krupa's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:54 PM
That is a person choice. Not my place to question it.

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Fri 01/02/09 04:55 PM


The major reason for suicide is mental disorders...major depression, schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, mood disorders... all brain chemistry imbalances. If folks do not stay on medications, and many do not, and self medicate with drugs/alcohol, their conditions can spiral downward, out of control. Some become psychotic and lose contact with reality. Some experience auditory and visual hallucinations of a command nature that tell them they are worthless, useless and to kill themselves and sometimes others. These conditions are much different that the occasional depressed or down mood we all feel from time-to-time and is only controlled with medication and therapy.
You forgot genetics, and so many have been put on the WRONG meds.. and when YOU lose you job,,how do you afford the meds?
And when you lose your thinking process, how would you even know to take anything...
We have not yet opened all the doors of our minds, and it will be a long time yet to learn all the whys.


I think you're right, there is still much to learn in this area. Many times with the medications it is an experimental process to delineate which drug or combination of drugs will be effective for that individual. Many hospital have a social worker involved that can assist patients in getting assitance with the cost of their meds. Sometimes the problem is the patient is homeless, is lost to followup and therapy and you only see them when they are in crisis.

no photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:55 PM

To be real with this,,
IF any mind had that ANSWER, then WE could stop that from ever happening,,,as yet,,I believe there are MANY THOUGHTS of the reasoning but no PURE RULE,,covers them ALL!
So to ask is to still find only conjecture as to their motives.

WE CAN ALL only TRY to SEE that frame of mind in a friend so as WE TRY to seek out help for them to find their control again.:heart:


Yes, we can say, for the most part, what our limits are, but we can't and don't have the same strengths/weaknesses or limits as anyone else, and we all have our own way of dealing with things, and at our own pace.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:57 PM

...a person to take their own life?




think

mika159's photo
Fri 01/02/09 04:59 PM





This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?



I think it might be becuase once you get on the downward spiral, you are now afraid to sink lower, but at the same time afraid to pull back out of it...maybe for the fear of failing? One way to look at it, is that if you can't get any lower...then the only other way is UP. The problem with such extreme human emotion is that during those times we can't see that even if the problem/situation doesn't get better, (unless it's a terminal disease, or you're in the middle of some horrific injury/accident)nothing is that bad to just stop breathing, the only way to solve it is to actually do something TO solve it, or at least work around it. Someone once told me they heard a saying-"don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff." Although I don't agree that it is ALL small stuff, about 80% is, some things we can't change anyway, so if we focus on the things we can change, we (hopefully) won't feel so overwhelmed, or at least not to the point where we feel hopeless and helpless. We all have worth, courage, and strength, sometimes we just forget where to find it.


a good point but this is remedial and the post is most definatly postulative is it not.lol


In a way, but that is partly why things can get to a "desperate" place, we take the most basic, or remedial things for granted sometimes, and forget what is really important, and for some EVERYTHING starts snowballing until even the little inseconsequential things can seem hopeless, and we don't think to step back and see it for what it really is...or isn't. We all tend to over think, over rationalize, and even exaggerate things at times.


I cry your pardon, I was not taking yr post for granted or to be fair trying to belittle it in any way. again i cry your pardon a thousand times.

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Fri 01/02/09 05:03 PM






This is a really dark subject, maybe we should all ask ourselves why we are drawn to answer it.
There is one thing, an obvious thing nobody has mentioned yet.

Fear.



Is that not the base reason we do most everything?


That's a good take. Why fear?



I think it might be becuase once you get on the downward spiral, you are now afraid to sink lower, but at the same time afraid to pull back out of it...maybe for the fear of failing? One way to look at it, is that if you can't get any lower...then the only other way is UP. The problem with such extreme human emotion is that during those times we can't see that even if the problem/situation doesn't get better, (unless it's a terminal disease, or you're in the middle of some horrific injury/accident)nothing is that bad to just stop breathing, the only way to solve it is to actually do something TO solve it, or at least work around it. Someone once told me they heard a saying-"don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff." Although I don't agree that it is ALL small stuff, about 80% is, some things we can't change anyway, so if we focus on the things we can change, we (hopefully) won't feel so overwhelmed, or at least not to the point where we feel hopeless and helpless. We all have worth, courage, and strength, sometimes we just forget where to find it.


a good point but this is remedial and the post is most definatly postulative is it not.lol


In a way, but that is partly why things can get to a "desperate" place, we take the most basic, or remedial things for granted sometimes, and forget what is really important, and for some EVERYTHING starts snowballing until even the little inseconsequential things can seem hopeless, and we don't think to step back and see it for what it really is...or isn't. We all tend to over think, over rationalize, and even exaggerate things at times.


I cry your pardon, I was not taking yr post for granted or to be fair trying to belittle it in any way. again i cry your pardon a thousand times.



I'm sorry if that's the way it came off, lol, I know you didn't mean anything derogatory by your reply post, I was just kind of saying that yes, ironically, most of the stuff that gets people to that point is pretty basic stuff for most of us, but some just feel it more deeply and let it get to an extreme point, whereas most of us just shrug it off. Lol, sorry if I sounded snippy.