Don’t LIE to my children.

Don’t teach my children that all men are sinners.

Don’t teach my children that women were created as an afterthought.

Don’t teach my children that women were created as man’s helpmate.

Don’t teach my children that a woman led mankind into sin.

Don’t teach my children that god is a male chauvinistic pig.

Don’t teach my children that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Don’t teach my children that they even need salvation at all!

Don’t LIE to my children when you admittedly don’t know yourself!

Why should my children be taught to pray to your fictitious god?

You are teaching my children IDOL WORSHIP!

I don’t want my children to be taught to worship your idol.

I don’t want my children to think of god as a judgmental ego in the sky.

I want them to know the real living god that resides in their heart.

I want my children know that god is this universe.

I want my children to know that they are intimately entwined with god.

I want my children to know that god is nature.

I want my children to know that god is eternally with them.

Don’t teach my children your sick perverted myths of an external
egotistical god.

Leave my children alone!

Keep your religious beliefs out of the public schools and I’ll keep my
out too.

~~~

I don’t push to have your children taught my beliefs, why should you
push to teach my children yours?

Jane: Well said!

OK, now I better understand your post.

Each is free and allowed to believe in what they do or don't. Schools
should be accepting of those that do and those that don't. To disallow
or disrepect any and all is not a solution. Respect for eachother's
belief's, whatever they may be.

exactly Jane

Teach lessons of "love" and indirectly you teach about God and spirit.
Peace

respect for another's beliefs whatever they may be???


right...then you will respect the ritual of pouring acid on the brides
face to disfigure her so no one will look at her

or stoning the bride to be because she refuses to wed the betrothed or
The ritual use of mercury has been prevalent in Hispanic communities for
many years. It is commonly encountered in certain religious rituals of
Esperitismo, a spiritual belief system native to Puerto Rico and
Santeria, a Cuban-based religion. Promoters of mercury use claim that
because mercury “flows smoothly” it provides good luck and, as a result
of its slippery nature, prevents evil from sticking to the person.
Individuals are frequently instructed to carry mercury in a pouch,
purse, or amulet to benefit from its perceived powers. The following
ritual uses of mercury were discovered during a literature search:
• Sprinkled around baby cribs or beds
• Worn in amulets around a person’s neck
• Carried in a purse or pouch
• Sprinkled in automobiles
• Burned in or on top of candles
• Added in cleaning solutions to cleanse dwellings
• Added to bath water
• Ingested (by infants)
• Added to perfume
• Added to folk medicines
• Added to open containers of wine or oil
• Added to cream lotion and rubbed into skin

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and what about the evangelist idiots that ask their population to come
and give up their insulin and be saved and give up their heart
medication and let the powers of the lord save them...these people are
supported by their local police dept's and they are criminals and guilty
of murder as far as i can see....all in the unholy name of jesus



no i am not sorry...i will not apologize for not respecting these
beliefs
nor will i ever stand up for the freedom to practice them...


no no no !

It's a pity that so many Americans have forgotten the lessons of history
that our nation's first leaders knew so well.

It's a shame that so many Americans feel that they cannot tolerate the
existence of people who do not agree with their particular religious
beliefs.

It's absurd that so many Americans want to use the power of government
to enforce an oath of allegiance to God when they can't even agree about
what God is.

And it's dangerous that so many Americans arrive at conclusions about
the nature of reality based on what feels right rather than what makes
sense. We could use a little less faith in this country these days. We
could use a little less credulity. We could use a lot more skepticism.

This country was founded on the belief in God by our 1st leaders

but free from religous persecution...you're saying we should not have
faith in God? Exactly what would you have us believe in?

In Australian state schools, (we call them public here), religion of any
denomination is optional...God does not hold precedence over an
education, not any god.

And as such, has not impacted in any way worse with lawlessness, lack of
respect for self and others....society at large has a bigger impact on
our young, and there is still a strong god element within society...

I see no adverse effect in not having our children be told to worship a
god that may differ from their family's or their own beliefs.

I work with young people, and they are more challenged by their society,
than any god, or religion.

Abra, Bl8nt, I have to say, I have never been exopsed to those other
athiests who think so clearly and have such domination over thier words,
and have such confidence to voice them in public. It is refreshing and
brave and your clearly defined set of principals may be what so many
need, have needed to hear for a looong time.

Which leads me to the live and let live theory. I'm, beginning to
wonder - what exactly do you know? There are many who walk around
happy to take advantage of the freedom this country offers and they view
opinion and the fight to change as an infringement on their lifestyle.
This is a non-commital, apathetic view, from a lazy cynical self
dominating mind. To take this approach not only solves nothing but does
not even give you a voice when that voice might be needed.

We take God, gods, philisophical cults out of the equation of learning
whenever possible. Since the government is so involved in recent years
in protecting us and children within their personal space, I have often
thought that legislature might be in order to stop the teaching of any
child any religious concepts. I would rather they grow and at an age of
reason, follow what questions they may have and research for themselves
what they may or may not decide to believe. However, the most we can do
is keep religion out of all public space. Yes, that means giving up
what virtues even ten commandments may include. This is why it
becomes necessary for our school systems to bend even change the way
they teach and include the basic philosopies of a civil society. I think
Abra includes this concept in one of his posts. This seems to be
something that a religious home environment teaches only within the
context of their religion, as if it was the one and only way for a world
of people to think. These poeple need to realize that the world is
bigger and requires a broader view of civil and social order and that in
the end they are raising children who will grow with confusion, hate,
fear and worse a live and let live theory.

i must agree those things are not good alex

but we are way off the topic of the oppression of religous believes of a
student in an arizonia public school

sorry robin.....


get over it


i will post within the topic and i am so doing.... maybe you need to
clean your reading glasses

origenal post

New Pledge of Allegiance!



Since the Pledge of Allegiance and The Lord's Prayer

are not allowed in most public schools anymore

Because the word "God" is mentioned....

A kid in Arizona wrote the attached NEW School prayer.



Now I sit me down in school

Where praying is against the rule

For this great nation under God

Finds mention of Him very odd.



If Scripture now the class recites,

It violates the Bill of Rights.

And anytime my head I bow

Becomes a Federal matter now.



Our hair can be purple, orange or green,

That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.

The law is specific, the law is precise.

Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.


For praying in a public hall

Might offend someone with no faith at all.

In silence alone we must meditate,

God's name is prohibited by the state.


We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,

And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.

They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.

To quote the Good Book makes me liable.



We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,

And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.

It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,

We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.


We can get our condoms and birth controls,

Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.

But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,

No word of God must reach this crowd.

!


It's scary here I must confess,

When chaos reigns the school's a mess.

So, Lord, this silent plea I make:

Should I be shot; My soul please take!

Amen

____________________________________________

no need to say sorry to me

but sorry alex

i dont see how your post

on respecting beliefs

relates to the original post of the

oppression of religion in public schools

as related to the the author of the original post

>> respect for another's beliefs whatever they may be???

Alex, As I read your post I felt you did Jane a great disservice, by
quoting her out of context and responding to her as if she was
advocating something that she was not advocating. The topic was prayer
in schools, not pouring acid on peoples faces - and that was the context
for her statement. Her phrasing may have been over-generalized, but we
all do that: would you like for people to take individual sentences out
of your posts and respond to them as if they were intended as general,
context-less truths?

So in a way I agree with adj here. I don't know where we should draw
the line in topicality, but I do believe you were ignoring context when
you responded to Jane's post.

The problem is not with the schools it is with the parents.

faith in god and belief in god is not something I want schools teaching
my children.

THAT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY.

If the young man wishes to pray at school he can do so. My children do.
they just don't make it a huge public spectacle.

The law as I see it does not say you may not pray. It says you may not
be forced to pray.

Big diference.

adventure there have been those in ohio that have been suspended
for taking their holy books to school and praying to their god
for food about to eat

it has been a few years so maybe it has been handled

but i agree that gov should not teach religion but it should not
persacute it neither

waffel waffel you cant prove there is a god you cant prove there isnt so
it all boils down to a big load of cowpatter .

you are intitled to you opinion

as are those that disaggree with you

put i have not seen the proof for evolution neither

thats why im a founding member of tootpu THE ORDER OF THE PERPETUALLY
UNENLIGHTENED if any one thinks he or she has the answer must be
god or something im stuffed if know watts goin on in the minds of people
on this planet ignorance is rampant if ya cant understand something just
make it up people a more inclined to beleive cowpatter than get on with
the reality of watt needs to be done to make this world a better place
for us all to live with peace love ngoodvibes

While my response may have been general, they were in keeping with the
thread topic. My apologies, but I am too simple minded to even discuss
posts that are so far over my head, it makes my head spin where some of
them came from.

What I said, it was pretty clear and I was not speaking to anything
other than the Lords Prayer, in schools. It disgusts me how issues that
are so personal and important to each and every one person is a platform
to spew such anger and venom. It absolutely sickens me. People need to
be accepting and understanding not intolerant and hostile, nor
disrespectful or attacking another or thier beliefs.

When I speak to "whatever their beliefs may be" I am speaking to the
Lord's Prayer, in schools.