It is said:

In order to do this, man must pass from the competitive to the creative mind; otherwise he cannot be in harmony with the Formless Intelligence, which is always creative and never competitive in spirit.

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Okay I think I always do that, but will take more emphasize on going to the creative mind to form harmony with formless intelligence.

Very good! I learned this. Good feeling

It is said:

Man must form a clear and definite mental image of the things he wishes to have, to do, or to become; and he must hold this mental image in his thoughts, while being deeply grateful to the Supreme that all his desires are granted to him.

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If one does keep their mind clear and does have a clear mental image for a long time, yet nothing happens then does this mean they are not having a clear image. Does this mean they have a distracting force unknown to them to prevent from having what they want?

I will try to create tonight when I think about it a clear and definite mental image of what I wish to accomplish. Let us see what happens.

It is said:

In order to receive his own when it shall come to him, man must be active; and this activity can only consist in more than filling his present place. He must keep in mind the Purpose to get rich through the realization of his mental image. And he must do, every day, all that can be done that day, taking care to do each act in a successful manner.

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So it is said that it is not enough to only set forth what you wish. In order to make things happen you just have to work for it. To me it sounds like in order to accomplish the laws of attraction one must have a positive attitude, believe what you want, and work for it physically to achieve.

Sounds like the life I am living already

Yet I could be not understanding this. Please elaborate if you can for me to get a deeper understanding. Thank you

What this is saying is that you cannot just sit inside your padded cell and expect that what you ask for via this method will come to you by no effort on your part.

When you become active, you are involved with the Universe who will work for you to put you in touch with the right people and take you to the right places for you to get and achieve what you want.

It does not mean that you have to do it all. You just have to be active and alert for the opportunities that the Universe will make you aware of. Your higher mind will also be alert in this pursuit and will guide you to the right places.

Many times the thing you ask for will come to you from a totally different direction than where you are going or what you are doing.

You may be trying to get a certain job and not having any success but in the process of doing so, meet someone and land even a better job.

So you cannot cut yourself off from the Universe. So you be active and alert. The Universe is working to bring you what you want.

Okay I understand now

I have personally found that a clear image will sit there and wait until you actually take the first step with intention to accomplish or have the thing you want and it is the intention and the action that open the flood gate and allow your request to be granted.... sometimes very suddenly... as if it where waiting just outside of that door for a long time.

It is there, you just have to open the door. Make the first move, INTEND and then act. Sometimes it will happen so fast it is like WAMMO! A flash flood.

Can it pretty much mean that if one is using a Willpower to achieve? I mean one can create a clear vision of what one wants to achieve, yet it doesn't work if one doesn't use the willpower to do it. So both are pretty much important to achieve a deeper understanding of the laws of attraction. Is this correct?

I am not sure how you understand the meaning of "willpower."

The power of Will is having the power to direct your mind and your thoughts to place your attention on that which you want instead of that which you don't want.

If you are thinking that "willpower" is like some kind of stubborn perseverance and persistence at forcing something to happen at any cost, that is not how to use the power of the will.

The will power is having the ability to direct your attention and thoughts to the thing you want instead of laying awake all night worrying about the things you don't want.

It is the power to direct and change your feelings to ones of gratitude instead of feeling angry and frustrated and depressed. Those negative feelings are resistance and they tell you that you are not attracting the thing you want. They in fact are attracting the thing you do not want.

Yes then the willpower I am thinking is positive energy indeed, but I know that it takes more then just sheer willpower to accomplish the nature of the laws of attraction. There has to be more then just this. I will figure it out somehow Jeannie. Please be patient, as I know it takes patience to understand this.

If you do everything correctly and your attention is mostly on the thing you want it will be coming towards you.

But if I were asked what I thought the most important ingredient is I would have to say INTENTION.

Intention is the thing that opens the door. It is the intention to act. I have seen this many times, and even sometimes when no action was actually taken or completed, the thing wanted showed up. EVEN BEFORE ANY ACTION TAKEN.

Other things I have seen is action taken brought forth several choices of the thing asked for, some better than others. So not only is ONE thing coming towards you, but several things at once.

How many times have you looked and looked for something and then found it and after you had what you wanted, you then kept running into more of the same? The law of attraction is still bringing it to you.

I've seen this many times.

I will keep in mind that (Intention) is the main ingredient. Thank you for the lessons, as I will sleep on it tonight to digest and understand more of this phenemonean of the laws of attraction that so many have used successfully in their lives at one time or another.

I wish you a good night and talk to you soon

I almost feel bad interrupting the current tranquility.



Well, probably the easiest (which probably also makes it the worst) example I can come up with is having an affinity for things. Like, for instance, Taco Bell's Double Decker. you're hungry, and short on cash. So you decide to fill your belly with beany, beefy goodness. It's just sort of happenstance.

Intent would be a thought somewhere along the lines of "Self, you have not filled your belly with beefy, beany, delicious firey goodness in quite some time. I believe that we need to take a drive a little later this evening."

I hope that kind of gives the gist of it. Sorry, I had a good one when I was first writing the post. But alas, I had to go to work, and it has thusly slipped from the recesses of mine mind.



John? I don't know about that. Some feathers were rattled, and there was a point where I could have made fire from the heat. But I know everybody's nearby with their buckets of water.




Well, it taught me to be peaceful, that anger is harm. Granted, I didn't have it nearly as bad as some people did... but for a while I was a very unhappy person. Then I learned that only you can make you happy. To be completely honest, I'm GLAD that I got what most people would consider the raw end of the deal. As far as the not trusting adults thing goes, you're partially right. That's probably the reason why I still look towards things with a child's sense of awe and curiosity. Why I'm still an idealist. Otherwise, I probably would have given into the evils that beset the world. Because, and let's all be honest, crime pays (if you don't believe me, look at the government).

You used the word deserve. That's a very victimized word. "Well, I probably deserved to get beat because I did ___. I should have known better because dad doesn't like ___." No, he beat me because he had a sh*tty day, and I just happened to be nearby. That's fate. Wrong place, wrong time. Thinking the contrary would have made me the definition of victim mentality. You think like that and you saturate yourself with fear. It's unnecessary, and unwelcome.

Was I asking for it sometimes, sure. When you use their religion and ask "if they want the other cheek", you just get hit again. Was it totally worth it, yes.



I wouldn't doubt it, actually. Had I not turned myself around, I'd probably have been a serial killer.



Well, spirits are eternal. That's considerably different than the human condition. And hell, maybe I'm not here to learn. Maybe I'm here to teach, and just happen to be learning while I go. I'm also sure there's a lot that *I* know, that I don't know.

That withstanding, I don't believe that my eternal self, and your eternal self, are the same self. I believe that they are separate entities, each with their own ego. The eternal ego can learn an infinite amount more than we, as physical beings, ever could.

I can't wait to meet my true self, or god, or whatever you want to call the mysterious controlling force in life that isn't my doing. I've got some questions. I want to laugh with myself. Strange, I know. I also intend to call me a sob and an *ssh*l*. All in good spirits, of course. And I have to thank me, for having me be me......



Who said anything about 100%? That's what fate is for. But by not attracting or intending, you're leaving yourself open to the will of others. And I have to thank Rush for this little tidbit...

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

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I wasnt sure if you were attempting to answer my inquiry or were directing that response to someone else. How would a "collective conscious" have any kind of effect on something that manifests itself or occurs from the point of birth, or even conception? There would have been no one else to even create a collective conscious at that point in time. Unless of course you are simply espousing the "Medieval Christian punishment" example where that fetus did something in a past life to warrant whatever affliction he or she will now be forced to endure in birth and through out this current incarnation.

Sometimes the nuts and bolts or actual premise behind this is totally glossed over repeatedly by its proponents. Thus the smoke and mirrors.

The statement you quoted was not an attempt to answer your inquiry it was about how reality itself is a co-creation of conscious individuals via a collective or connected mind.

(I did not know that Medieval Christians believed in reincarnation.)

But when a spiritual energy incarnates into this world it probably brings its current vibrations with it whatever they are, and I imagine those vibrations have an effect on its birth and life here prior to even being born. There is no way to know this for a fact, its just a guess.

Oh, well Im certainly glad you qualified your statements as you can clearly see why I would be confused. You quoted my question yet did not even come close to offering an explanation.



They did not hold a belief in reincarnation yet they did believe that when an individual was born with some form of birth defect or congenital illness or a diminished mental capacity, that this individual had offended god in some respect and is thus being punished. I can see no difference between what you are proposing in your example and this concept.

Thus my confusion on this matter still remains. I appreciate your trying to answer and I respect your admission that you do not know.

I have never heard of such a Medieval Belief coming from a Christian. I thought they believed that people are created the day they are born. Do you have any references to this?

How do you suppose they could believe that a new born soul could have offended God?

I have heard that some have been known to place the blame on the sins of the parents for having been cursed with defective children, but I have never heard of the blame being placed on the child itself because they are not supposed to believe that children have some past karmic debt. Could that be more like some kind of sin they inherited from their parents?

According to Christianity we are all born with the "original sin", whatever that may be.

Directed at JB. This was taken from an internet source.

Exodus 34:6-7 - "And He [the Lord] passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, 'The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet He does not leave the guilty unpunished; He punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.' "

Deuteronomy 11:26-28 - "See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse - the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known."

Generational curses are judgments that are passed on to individuals because of sins perpetuated in a family in a number of generations. Generational curses are similar to original sin curses because they can be passed down on a generational basis. They differ in that generational curses do not impose eternal judgment. They bring judgment or bondage during an individual's life, reducing the quality of life, until that individual addresses the sin issues that put the curses into place.

Moses addressed this issue when the Israelites were preparing to enter the promised land. He told the new generation that was preparing to enter in that they would not enter unless the dealt with their own personal sins and also the sins of their fathers. The account can be found in Leviticus 26:39-42

Yes I have heard that too of course, but I guess some were born with more sin than others and come into the world less advantaged according to some faiths.

I had a friend who had a baby with downs syndrome and she decided it was because she had sinned and had sex before marriage and gotten pregnant. She was Catholic.

If that were true, Jesus should have had some defect as his mother was not married at all.

So what is the difference between what you are proposing and this belief held in Christianity? Thats a fair question.