Now you have touched upon something true here, but I will reword it for you.

If you don't consciously use the law of attraction to to manifest what you want, "the law of randomness" will be in effect.

Your thoughts and vibrations, if they are unconsciously negative ones will attract individuals and situations where other causes are in effect and you will become part of those events and experiences.

Randomness is caused by the wills of others.

You can tell when you are sending out negative vibrations by your feelings. If you are feeling bad, angry, frustrated, resentful, worried, hateful, sad, depressed, etc etc. then you are sending out vibrations that will attract things, people and situations that you do not want.

How you are feeling is one of the most important things to start becoming conscious of and it is one of the most important things to self-direct with your will.

Because I have compassion for people and I would like to help them to help themselves. I found something that really works for me and I truly would like to share that with others.

I realize it may not work for others, but for some, it might.

Maybe that is wrong of me. Maybe I should just sit back and watch people create misery for themselves because they persist in wrong thinking and they don't know how to change what they are thinking and feeling.

Maybe I should just not care.

I know it is a shot in the dark because most people will not get it... but some will.

If only one person gets it, then I have helped one person.
And that is a very big deal.

All you're doing is trying to preserve the condition of the ego into the spiritual world.

But if spirits are also individual egos, then they aren't any better off the humans.

Like I said originally, you're philosophy just pushes the human condition onto the spirit world.

What would be the different between spirit and the human condition then, other than one had a physical body and the other does not.

They would both be in the same 'ego condition'

I think the whole philosophy is just a desperate attempt to cling to the ego.

JB said:



Well that’s fine if you have totally convinced yourself of that. However, on the surface it would appear that you are merely insistent on proving yourself right. I mean if your motives were 100% altruistic as you claim, would you honestly be referring to people as "bold face liars" simply because we might have differing opinions about the Law of Attraction and how it might manifest itself? I have not heard one person yet claim it does not exist or you are an idiot or a fool. No, of course not. We simply disagree on its fundamental values.

Just another form of evangelism.

Get out there and save those souls babe!

I still think there is a fundamental problem with it based on the very idea that if people are ignorant of how to use the Law of Attraction then they must have attracted that ignorance to themselves.

For you to now think that you could evangelize the Law of Attraction to them would imply that you think you could push something onto them that they aren't attrating on their own.

But if that were the case, then that blows a whole in the whole idea that only they can attract things to themselves.

It's a circular mess.

Ok, I quit.

If this is your philosophy more power to you.



If you can get converts more power to you.

If anyone is happy with this philosophy more power to them.

Fair enough?

If by the "ego" you mean "the individual" then you are correct.

I don't buy into the concept that when we die we become the all-knowing God or that we become part of that one being that people call God.

I don't buy the idea that we are assimilated like the borg.

I choose to keep my individuality. I believe that individuality is part of being totally free. Free from the mind set of the whole. Free to pursue your own lives and interests within the universe.

I don't want to be Borg or God, thank you very much.

You don't attract ignorance Abra.

You begin with ignorance.

You reject information.

Nobody is actually "rejecting" information.
All we do is telling you how far we do or don't believe the same way as you do.
If you call that rejection, so be it.

You have all asked questions about the law of attraction as it relates to 'poor innocent victims' and that was the reason for this thread.

But some of you have convinced me that you do not want, believe and/or are not ready for this information, hence I am wasting my time offering my opinions or reading recommendations concerning it.

So you are right. I am wrong for bringing it up. Carry on.

I do understand that sentiment.

I dislike being told that I am "rejecting Christ."

I also understand how my opinions can be seen as preaching my gospel.

Therefore I am not going to do it anymore. I realize it is the wrong thing to do, and that it is only my opinion.

That explains it.

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Truly though, if you are genuinely interesting in attracting people to the Law of Attraction, why bother telling them that they are responsible for attracting negative things to them?

Why bother with the negative at all?

Why not instead just preach that they can use the Law of Attraction to bring good things into their life.

Why do you feel that it's to important to tell people that they aren't willing to accept the responsiblity of having created their current condition, or the bad things that might have happened to them?

What purpose does that serve?

Why not just focus on teaching them that they can change their future?

I just don't see any value at all in even bothering to dwell on the negative aspects of it even if you feel that they might be true.

What good does is serve to tell someone that they were responsible for their own abuse, or traumatic events that took place in their lives?

That knowledge isn't going to help them one iota toward moving forward.

Unless they are seriously caught up in some kind of a blame game. But if they are that obcessed with blaming someone, then all you are telling them is that they must blame themselves.

I just don't see the point to even bothering with that concept at all.

Why not just focus on moving forward and forget about who might have been responsible for any water that has already gone over the dam.

Hold on Jeannie! I am interested truly. I was just waiting for this to settle down.

I believe if one tries then one can find out. If it doesn't work then move on. If it does work then more power to me. I am not sure if the others have tried to make the laws of attraction work yet, even if it sounds illogical. I know scientist even experiment before discovering something. Just like people who practice witchcraft also have ways to do things without exactly explaining it at times. How many times I asked and I get a reply of " I don't know how it is done, it is a feeling."

It is no different then the article you was showing about occult and clarvoyance's. In chapter 3 I think it showed a bunch of scientist getting together to discuss about telepathy and how they come to the conclusion it is possible.

I am still having difficulty understanding the concept. I watched "The Secret" 5 times! I wish it was in the German language to tell you the truth I will also order the Esther and Jerry Hick Books to get more idealogies out of this concerning telepathy. I know it may not have anything to do with the laws of attraction, maybe it does, but I have a feeling it is linked together.

I think the law of attraction is probably true in every belief system one way or another.

The randomness as James says is Positive thinking = positive results is greater then the randomness of negative thinking = negative results

The absolute is something I would like to know if it is possible.

Is it possible to use the laws of attraction to make absolutes and if this can be proven somehow in a easy 10 step guide

Then I am the liar. I was trying to "sell" it in order to feel "right."

Besides I dislike being 100% altruistic. It makes me want to puke actually.

Perhaps I am also seeking a like mind to share my philosopy that we should accept responsibility for all of our personal experiential reality.

I know there are others who share my view, just not very many. Skyhook is the one person on this club who seems to understand the concept most. I know a few people personally too who do.

But we are each unique individuals and we will never find 100% agreement with any other unique individuals.

I actually like it that way. I don't want to be assimilated by the Borg. I like the individuality and uniqueness of each person.

Why?

1.) Because I strive to be as honest as possible.

2.) Because if a person does not understand HOW they attract negative things, they will CONTINUE to attract negative things.

3. And because if people are encouraged to blame everything and everybody for their own misfortune, they will go through life with a victim consciousness, asking the question: WHY ME?

4.) If you know someone who continually asks that question, well you can send them to me. I will tell them the truth. You on the other hand, will help them remain a victim and you will help them to blame everyone else for their life and circumstances.

Hmm. We are seeing a very different "personal reality" on this forum.



No. I felt offended to some degree that you were referring to another member as a "bold face liar". In the same breath you are insisting that you are "only trying to reach like-minded people."

Come on now.

Such a combative stance is hardly conducive to reaching anyone at tall.

It in fact causes you to come across as highly motivated to simply "prove yourself right" from a prior thread.

You are also not explaining anything new. You are merely insisting that "actions have consequences." I take responsibility for my own life. Do you? I also understand that there is a certain level of random occurrence manifest and at work at all times in the universe. Good things happen to bad people and bad things will happen to good.

We simply do not attract everything that occurs in our lives. I might smoke 3 packs of cigarettes a day for 10 years and live to be 80. You might have never smoked a cig in your life and be dead by next year of lung cancer.

That’s the way it is.

I also resent your insisting that I or Abra or Invisible simply "do not understand." You can take that remark and shove it. I clearly understand as we all do. I find your personal bias and observations to be erroneous.

I felt offended that he told me I was trying to "sell" my ideas. I did not feel that was true, as I was giving them away.

But you are saying that I might be selling them because I want to feel "right."

I already feel right. I may have been simply defending myself against someone who was telling me that I was wrong.

I don't need to do that, so I agreed with you that my motives are probably not all that altruistic.

So what's your beef now? I agreed with you.




That is your opinion of course.





Remember feelings of resentment are bad feelings and they will attract bad things. ` You can feel resentful if you choose to, but I hope you accept the consequences for those vibrations.

This is a totally incorrect assumption on your part.

I deal with this issue in a totally different manner altogether.

Blame will get you nowhere.

Even self-blame is futile.

I'm way beyond any blame games.

But clearly you are not, because you are demanding that blame must be dealt out, even if it's self-blame.

I don't even go there.

I say, there is no one to blame, not even yourself.

Just get over the past and move on.

What has already gone over the dam doesn't need to have labels of blame pinned on it at all.

It just isn't necessary.

Water that's over the dam is just that. It's over the dam.

Pinning lables on it now is futile.

So I'm not even playing that blame game at all. I see no value in it whatsoever.

You're still in the blame game. You're trying to pin the blame on the victim. That's still playing the blame game.

Get past blame altogether.

Then you can move forward.

I totally agree. There is no blame. There is only cause and the law of attraction.

So why are you hung up on blame? You blame the rapist and you blame the murderer don't you? The victim is innocent. Is that not what you have been saying?

Now you are saying that I should get past blame? I am not the one who has a problem with blame.

There is so much love in the air right now in this thread that it thrills me!

I am sure the negative laws of ugliness is truly working today

Okay, explain exactly how that was an unfair assessment of your agenda behind starting this thread? He called it like he saw it in my opinion.



You are wrong, unless you can convince someone otherwise I would assume.



Yes it is. Am I not entitled to have one now? I would be calling it as I see it. I routinely do this on forum.

I have no beef with you. There is nothing to even have a beef with quite frankly. I just don’t like to hear people being referred to as liars when they disagree for christ sake. We are not eight years old here.