I am just saying that it is one nation under what? It was their views and even though they tried it was still their viewpoint. I do agree with you about religious persectution. It was originally written to keep state out of religion and not vise versa.

Its all comes down to interpretation. Who really knows? Who could? Could that be said about the bible too? Yes, it has many interruptions. Who's is right? Yours, mine or someone else's.

not trying to be righteous or correct in the matter just diversify the topic with different perspectives.

I like that! No arguing or name calling . We all have perspective and Im not the one to say whose is right.

You have said marriage is a religious union. Whose religion? If it is, atheists have the right to marry based on there own lack of religion. Why not gay people?

Never said there was no right to form or have your on ceremonial type unions you could even call it whatever you want. No problem. I was just stating that if it is being done for tax and medical purposes. Then why not just recognize unmarried partners so hetersexuals and homsexuals would have the same rights as married couples. We should definitely look beyond the predjudiceness of all but dont stop just at homosexuals. Make it fair for all. Which was my original point.

Very well said!! I agree with you %100. We all have to accept that we all are different. Until we do well you know the rest. Partners of any type should have the final say for there loved ones and have the same benefits everyone else has.But if they want the marriage aknowledged by the courts whos to say no, and if they have a church willing to perform a ceromony who is to say no, but even all legal marriages are not done in a church or performed by a member of a church....JMO

It may have been based on christianity but there are 3 very big words that goes with it.. FREEDOM OF RELIGON. When you bring church into state you take away that right..JMO


The country was founded on freedom of religion. It wasn't founded on Christianity.
Morning Happy Festivus season to you on this beautiful day god has given us!!! The sun is shining here and its just a beautiful day!

agreed but at the time those that founded it on freedom of religion.....what religion were they? Was there another religion they were into to base it on think about it.




We weren't founded only by Christians. There were agnostic, atheist, Deists, and Christians founding this country. They wanted freedom of religion from the Church of England. Hence, freedom of religion.

Freedom of Religion's intent was to keep government out of religion and not the other way around. Religion is in government from our very basic laws to money to the US preamble to the Pledge of Allegiance. Do we keep it or throw it all away just because it has a religious? back to my point in fairness for all heterosexuals and homosexuals.

And freedom of religion means every religion, not some more and some less.

Absolutely

We have got a little of topic. Who cares. But back to it what about this...But if they want the marriage aknowledged by the courts whos to say no, and if they have a church willing to perform a ceromony who is to say no, but even all legal marriages are not done in a church or performed by a member of a church....JMO

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.

Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."

Found this and thought I would post it...under god was not even originally part of it...

The words under god weren't added until 1951 by the knights of columbus

To each his/her own.
If they want to get married who am I to say no?
Nobody has the right to interfere with somebody else s
life. As I would not allow people to interfere with mine.

The preamble says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

There is nothing about religion in the preamble.

The phrase "under God" was put into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954. A Pastor that originated from Scotland is the one that added it.

In god we trust on money, I meant pledge of allegiance sorry
theft
falsification
there are many example in many areas where the government is influenced by religion. No worries it is just that it is already there and already was there before and if was the intent of the fore fathers of this country to have religion out of government, it would have never been introduced that way.
They had, had enough of the English sovereignty controlling their religion and religious beliefs and ideas. They did not wish government to interfere with that and not the other way around. They wished everyone to have a right to their individual religious beliefs, but made no effort to keep it directly from the government itself.

Again I think that come down to interpation and not just what was written but what was said at the time.

In today's world not all legal marriages are performed in a church or by a member of a church. What is a Justice of the peace. They are a position held in government and not by a church. So how can anyone say that marriage is only recognized by the church..

Yes but what is the foundation of marriage, the state started doing later, they took over a religious ceremony.

Most religions don't recognize a marriage performed by a Justice of peace. It's sad, but a fact all the same.