i checked your link

as you posted the info it is unreliable see post above for why i say this


How about this one it if from the center for diesese control and prevention run by the goverment http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm


Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 300,669 MSM (260,749 MSM and 39,920 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 68% of male adults and adolescents with AIDS who had died and 57% of all people with AIDS who had died [1].

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5].

STDs, which increase the risk for HIV infection, remain an important health issue for MSM. According to the Gonococcal Isolate Surveillance Project, the proportion of gonorrhea-positive test results among MSM increased from 4% in 1988 to 20.2% in 2004 [9]. Rates of syphilis among MSM have increased in some urban areas, including Chicago, New York, San Francisco, and Seattle [10–12]. In the 9 US cities participating in the MSM Prevalence Monitoring Project, the rates of STDs and HIV positivity varied by race and ethnicity but tended to be highest among black and Hispanic MSM [9]. In addition to increasing susceptibility to HIV, STDs are markers for high-risk sexual practices, through which HIV infection can be transmitted [13].

i checked your link

as you posted the info it is unreliable see post above for why i say this


How about this one it if from the center for diesese control and prevention run by the goverment http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm


Since the beginning of the epidemic, an estimated 300,669 MSM (260,749 MSM and 39,920 MSM who inject drugs) with AIDS had died, accounting for 68% of male adults and adolescents with AIDS who had died and 57% of all people with AIDS who had died [1].

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5].

STDs, which increase the risk for HIV infection, remain an important health issue for MSM. According to the Gonococcal Isolate Surveillance Project, the proportion of gonorrhea-positive test results among MSM increased from 4% in 1988 to 20.2% in 2004 [9]. Rates of syphilis among MSM have increased in some urban areas, including Chicago, New York, San Francisco, and Seattle [10–12]. In the 9 US cities participating in the MSM Prevalence Monitoring Project, the rates of STDs and HIV positivity varied by race and ethnicity but tended to be highest among black and Hispanic MSM [9]. In addition to increasing susceptibility to HIV, STDs are markers for high-risk sexual practices, through which HIV infection can be transmitted [13].


That's not talking worldwide is it?

what part of this do you not under stand

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democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority


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if it was majority rule the civil rights movement would have been futile

read some govt books

this is a conglomerate of ruling style with the republic at its base

plz learn how the govt works

so that you can protect your right to be wrong

when you learn how the constitution works get back to us

Here is your lesson on Democracy...


This belief is based on the right of every citizen over a certain age to attend political meetings, vote on the issue being discussed at that meeting and accepting the majority decision should such a vote lead to a law being passed which you as an individual did not support.

Part of this belief, is the right of every one to hold political office if they choose to do so. Direct democracy also believes that all people who have the right to, should actively participate in the system so that it is representative of the people and that any law passed does have the support of the majority.

Direct democracy gives all people the right to participate regardless of religious beliefs, gender, sexual orientation, physical well being etc. Only those who have specifically gone against society are excluded from direct democracy. In Britain, those in prison have offended society in some way and, therefore, their democratic rights are suspended for the duration of their time in prison. Once released, and having ‘learnt a lesson’, their democratic rights are once again restored.

"Did they not get a bill passed before the Supreme court against the will of the voters of California in 1992?"

Based on this sentence I am going to advise you to first take a government class.

Bills are not passed by the supreme court.


Like I said, the founding fathers strongly cautioned against the dangers of mob rules.

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” -Jefferson

There are others...

You will notice by the way we do not have a pure democracy but a representational democracy. A form of government where the powers of the sovereignty are delegated to a body of men, elected from time to time, who exercise them for the benefit of the whole nation.

The majority can quickly become the mob inflicting it's will either by law or by rod. This was something the founders knew and hoped to guard against. You might have heard about what happens then...it is called anarchy.

Oh another random point. The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Each state has it's own constitution but state laws may not conflict with the U.S. Constitution. These amendments against gay marriage stand because there is no mention of marriage in it.

California said marriage is between a an and a woman but other states allow gay marriage.

Oh here is another little tidbit. California already had a law protecting churches from having to perform marriages for gay or lesbian couples if it was against the philosophy or teachings of their church.


Rambling..I am not feeling well.

Fine if that is what you are saying I don't think Barrack Obama should be president then.You are saying the majority of the people voted for him and Jefferson said "it is nothing but mob rule.So he shouldn't be president right?

For the record I do believe in majority rule.If the voters of California wanted gay marriage I would not stand in their way.The people have spoke I respect that.Two states have same sex marriage I have no problem with that if thats what the voters voted for.

He won the electoral vote.

here is your united states govt lesson

IT IS A REPUBLIC BASED GOVERNMENT

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS

how many times do you have to be told

be fore you either know it

or research it at least

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democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority

Gay marriage is legal in MA.

Idiots reproduce every day

Why not let gays get married?

Gays don't bother me

Idiots do!

Why dont they just have 2 classes of marriage.

marriage
gay marriage

The government would recognize both for all legal rights.
The church would only recognize the one they want to recognize.

Gays dont need recognition from a church that is forced to recognize them and doesnt want them.

Gays need recognition from the government for legal reasons.

govt leeson #2

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re·pub·lic Listen to the pronunciation of republic
Pronunciation:
\ri-ˈpə-blik\
Function:
noun

(1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

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the people elect officials to represent them and a make decisions for them

they take an oath to defend the constitution

........the constitution says

........Congress shall make no law respecting an ........establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free ........exercise thereof;

............to pass a law based on religious belief alone is ............in effect giving credence to that religion thus ............establishing it

so as i said earlier

till someone comes up with a nonreligious reason why gay marriage should be banned
......it should be legal

b4 you go off on your aids and death kick
......automobile collisions are responsible for more deaths ......and serious injury than anything else in this country

thus if health is a reason then automobiles should be illegal as well

I didn't give you "a" reason I gave you several.Maybe you should read them again.Religion is not mentioned.

so you are ready to give up the automobile

as your other reasons were health issues

and the results of auto collisions kill and maim far more than aids ever thought of

lets start with the autos you and every one you know owns

How stupid is that? A gay person is incapable of loving someone of the opposite sex?

I'm Heterosexual and I love people of the same gender as myself! Loving family has NOTHING to do with gender. Loving friends has NOTHING to do with gender. Sexuality has NOTHING to do with love. Love is what make the relationships work and last to provide and environment for RAISING families. Has nothing to do with the BIOLOGY behind making babies. Sexuality is all about to whom we are attracted and what characteristics we are attracted.

And Marriage actually has nothing to do with it either. Marriage is a socioreligious construct for the nurturing of children and to pass on societal indoctrination. Different structures and forms of 'marriage' have developed in different parts of the world based on the cultural ideals throughout history.

One man one woman is just the most common structure. Some cultures developed one man, a few women marriages. Some cultures have an interesting structure where all the men who came of age in the same year are married to all the women who came of age that year.

Some cultures have created space in them for men that live as women and women that live as men. These individuals often falling into shamanistic roles in the society. Some of those cultures even allow for men who chose to live as women to marry other men.

Some create other structures that allow for same gendered partnerships in addition to heterosexual ones.

Homosexuality has been around for almost as long as people have. Or at least that is my impression from what I've read in books on anthropology, sociology, and archeology.

I've always been interested in how cultures came to develop so differently in different areas and started reading about it in grade school.

I think the reason a trait that would not produce children didn't die out is because people carrying the trait often DID have children. Because many cultures created an outlet for it.

a couple of responses from a prior post on this very subject...the were never acknowledged...

Has science isolated a specfic gene or a part of the geneome that allows it. If so who has done the research and where? Also if not that would still go towards my arguement that it is more nurture then nature that promotes it.

actually...recent research has show that not only have scientists be unable to locate the so called gay gene...that there's also...limited to zero external characteristics for being or becoming gay...