because it is their religion that teaches it is wrong

the thing i find funny is

no one uses the declaration of independence arguement of the issue

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

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unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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that makes it a religious argument

but this

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Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am1

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actually removes the legality of using religion to pass the law banning abortion

if you pass a law passed on religious belief that is establishing that religion

but

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the fact that


unalienable Rights, that among these are Life

would remove the religion aspect as it is an unalienable right to have life

but to kill you before you are born

tramples your

right to life as described in the declaration of independence

endowed by their Creator---once you create them

yes you are their creator thus you gave them an unalienable Right to life

if you do not want them to have this right i guess you should not create them

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i still am not taking sides in this issue

but the above argument is a very good one imo

but hey

what do i know

Adj4u can I ask you for your personal religious beleifs? No copy and pasting PLZ

gulp !!...I kind of got sidetracked last night with your latest line of questioning...lol...gulp !!...have I seen these acts up close and personal ?...God forbid !!...LOL...I'll quote my hero Archie on this one..." If this part of the coming attractions...then...I don't want to see the picture "...lol...what I see is in my mind...and...in my mind...what I see is wrong...what else can I say...you can like it...and the whole wide world can like and accept it...I just can't..." not that there's anything wrong with that "...lol...

now...as far as masturbation goes...well there's an old saying..." there are two kinds of people in this world...mastubators, and liars...

Politicizing your religion makes it open for scrutiny and criticism.

Keep it personal and private and you will never have it questioned.

sure you can ask

and i may answer once you explain the relevance of them to the discussion at hand

as my beliefs do not sway the facts of the matter

i refuse to take a side on this issue because i am not going to compromise either principle

my personal beliefs are my personal beliefs and should not (in my opinion) be forced on someone else (it is not up to me to force anyone to do anything)

we are all supposed to be adults

****key word supposed to be****

i will tell you this for sure i will never have an abortion

Your right I cant explain the relevance to this Discussion and I apologize. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I too could never get a abortion or would support it as the father of said pregnancy either. But when some else's religious beliefs, personal beliefs and opinions come into topic on political policy .I want to fully understand them. My vote on such matters means a lot. Look what that vote stands for. Thx again see ya in the rat race we call life...

Gio just havin fun: We argue but I do respect your opinion!! Its nice to get "the other side" without all the BS.. I consider myself a conservative with realist values so I dont know where I fit

likewise...I'm just here to have fun and to debate topics in a civil tone...when the fightin' starts...well...for me...it's feet do your stuff !!...lol...

I would love to hear your thoughts on that. Sorry for the start of this thread. I would tell you but then I would have to delete you from all your cyber world.

Nice

Im talking of the political forum as being public. What the "public perceives" on this matter. This has nothing to with any site or or forum media as a whole. Just trying to learn. Feel free to share any thoughts on this matter. temp and I approve this message

gulp !!!!!!....

1) It is illegal to murder a human.
2) Humans only produce human offspring
3) A woman who is pregnant is always pregnant with a human baby.
4) Abortion results in the death of her baby.
5) Her baby is a human, therefore abortion is murder.

Abortion should have nothing to do with Religion. To me, it's not a religious issue, it's a legal issue. Abortion is murder by our own laws. Until abortion supporters can prove that a embryo / fetus isn't a human, abortion should be illegal. There is no moral or legal justification for killing an innocent and non-threatening being, which might be a human.

Gulp!!! Thanks for your thoughts. I don't want to debate you on the laws or interpretation of those laws, or the laws about when life begins. Someone else might tho!! Please do so in a civil matter obeying the rules of this site I myself would like to see how that goes.. Im justa learnin

either it should be illegal or

if the pregnancy is terminated by another reason (car crash 4 example)

the lose should not come into play

either it is or it is not

double standards should not come into play

You are going to have to clarify.

In many states, a fetus is protected by laws just like everyone else. So if you accidentally kill a fetus, it's manslaughter. If you intentionally murder a fetus, it's murder. That's the way it should be.

So please clarify your point, I'm not sure what you mean by double standards.

i dont care at wat point in pregnancy or wat religion abortion is murder common that PERSON inside of you could be anything. The next president, the person who finds the cure to cancer anything. And besides that how can u take away that persons chance in life without them getting a say. Jus because they r inside u its theyre F###### life. not yours to end

"Where are those darn woman when you need them . Thanks for your thoughts feel free to join right in

you're so cute !!...

State laws? What about federal say? Leave it completely up to each state? What about state influence by a Religion or Church as a whole or that Religon or Church donating to support State policy? Do you agree? Does it happen? State is pretty close to home to me...