Jeannie you wrote and I quote:


"....Nobody consciously decides to get hit by a car. These "decisions" are unconscious....... "

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So Jeannie......you are saying that a little 5 year old child ,who was hit and crushed by a car, made the decision unconsciously himself, to be hit by a car??????

You HONESTLY believe that????!!!!!!

Ok........what about precious little children , who were repeatedly raped at a very tender age .

Or you going to tell me
that you actually BELIEVE.....

that these precious little children ,ALSO made the decision UNCONSCIOUSLY to be raped ??????????

MS,

You don't have the same belief system that I do so there is no way you can possibly understand what I am talking about, so there is no need to even try, or to get all upset. What I believe should be no concern to you. There is a lot involved that you do not understand about my belief system.

The example of a child, his age and his being precious does not change much. He does not make the decision consciously. I believe that unconsciously we are all connected and we are all one. That is a pantheist belief system. What we do to others we do to ourselves. There is no such thing as death or hell in my belief system, only life and reincarnation and infinite existence.

So.......a little child aborted in the womb at 6 months......
ALSO UNCONSCIOUSLY MADE THE DECISION TO BE ABORTED .....ACCORDING TO YOUR BELIEFS... YES?????

Keep your beliefs Morningsong. My beliefs should be no concern of yours. The process of birth and death (and reincarnation) may seem cruel but it is what it is Morningsong. You have to have faith in that. I have faith.

"Eternal Return" is the cycle of time. Like the Mayans believed.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081107071822.htm

How Evolution Learns From Past Environments To Adapt To New Environments


ScienceDaily (Nov. 10, 2008) — The evolution of novel characteristics within organisms can be enhanced when environments change in a systematic manner, according to a new study by Weizmann Institute researchers.

Merav Parter, Nadav Kashtan and Uri Alon suggest that in environments that vary over time in a non-random way, evolution can learn the rules of the environment and develop organisms that can readily generate novel useful traits with only a few mutations. Details are published November 7 in the open-access journal PLoS Computational Biology.

The ability to generate novelty is one of the main mysteries in evolutionary theory. Recently, discoveries in evolution, genetics and developmental biology have been integrated to suggest that organisms have facilitated variation: a design whereby random genetic changes result in novel characteristics (phenotypes) that could be useful. For example, any one of many possible mutations within birds can result in a new beak shape appropriate for a new environment. This leaves the question of how facilitated variation spontaneously evolves.

In this study Parter, Kashtan and Alon began with the observation that environments in nature seemingly vary according to common rules or regularities. They proposed that organisms can learn how previous environments changed, and then use this information for their evolutionary advantage in the future. For example, if the available seeds tended to vary in size and hardness along history, then bird species might have learned to develop beaks with an easily tunable size and strength.

To check their hypothesis, the group employed computer simulations of evolution of simple computational 'organisms'. These organisms were evolved under two different scenarios: The first class evolved under unchanging environment, and the second class evolved under a systemically changing environment.

The two scenarios yielded organisms with different designs. The organisms evolved under varying environments stored information about their history in their genome and developed a special modular design. Interestingly, they were able to generate novel useful phenotypes for a novel environment, as long as it shared the same rules with past environments.

The present study demonstrates the large effect the environment can have on the evolution of biological designs, and bring us another step forward towards understanding how the ability to generate useful novelties evolve.





Very interesting article Bushido

Those things do not happen because of the children...

Lets be real...

The PEOPLE around those children made choices... and forgot that CHILDREN would suffer consequeces...

Why would a child be responsible for any of that.

Adventurebegins,

I did not say that the victims are responsible (completely) for what happens to them. We do not make conscious choices for bad things to happen to us. Nobody does. But as we are all one, (a pantheist belief) we are all (unknowingly) "responsible" for everything.

The minute we choose one thing that we refuse to be responsible for, then we are placing the blame on some "other" and separating our 'being' from the whole.

When I talk about being part of the whole and taking responsibility for everything, I don't just preach it out of one side of my mouth and then make exceptions for one incident that by all appearances screams for someone to be blamed.

There is so much horror and evil in the world it tears at my heart and soul to think about it. I can hardly bare it. To dwell on it is to dwell on the deepest darkest place of sadness and anger which dwell in the depths of my being. The only thing that gives me peace is my faith in the process of life, death, incarnations, and infinite existence.

But I believe that we are pure spiritual beings, and not the body of flesh you see. I believe that we are infinite beings out to experience the heights of the greatest joy and the depths of the greatest pain and sorrow. I believe that love will win over all and that it will lift all who walk the path of love after their experience in what ever hell they have been through.

I have faith that all is as it should be and I realize that we are each single individuals who are called to do what is right in every situation.

If I could reach out and cure all the sickness in this world I would do that. Child molestation is a sickness in my opinion. Hatred, killing, war, torture, fear, are all maladies of this world. The best and only thing we can do as individuals is to love each other with all our hearts and souls and do unto others as you hope they might do unto you.

To hold compassion in your heart, to be grateful, to love, to understand, to seek the truth of self. To be self and to be love.

I’d like to take a stab at explaining this issue…

There is a fundamental premise that you must understand in order to understand this viewpoint. And that is this: The spiritual entity that is “the child” (not the child’s body) at some point decided to enter and operate within the physical universe.

You don’t have to agree with that premise. You just have to understand it in order to understand any of the reasoning that follows it.

So let’s set up an analogy. When playing football, one decides to become a part of (enter) the game and to follow (operate within) its rules.

Now, if one get’s tackled and consequently gets one’s leg broken, we consider that the player must bear at least some responsibility for the condition of his leg. We assume that he knew enough about the game, before he joined it, that he knew there was a distinct possibility of some significant physical harm would ensue.

Similarly, the spiritual entity whose leg got broken, cannot abdicate all responsibility for things that happen to him while operating within the physical universe because that spiritual entity is there, in the physical universe, by its own choice.

Now as I said, you don’t have to believe or even agree with any of this. Just understand that that is the premise and the reasoning that underlies the viewpoint.

Sorry Sky, that doesn't work. The reason it doesn't is because JB has already stated that humans have their OWN MIND and their OWN PERSONALITY. That could not be so, if they were infested with an other worldly spirit, who CHOSE to enter this world as a human.

My understanding of what JB says, it that the OBSERVER is not physically a part of the human, but only observing through a human, it doesn't even have to be the same human, it is ONLY an observer, not an actual part of the physical realm.

So while we all must accept the consequences of our OWN actions, we must also accept the 'accidental' consequences of the actions of others.

IN NO WAY does that hold us responsible for bad things that happen to us or for illnesses we get. That is the error as I see in what you and JB are trying to explain.

You have the wrong understanding of my belief. I am sure it is not the same as Sky's.

I am not "infested" with another worldly spirit. I am that other worldly spirit, manifesting (incarnation) into this world, not in whole but in part. My physical manifestation cannot contain the whole of the true self which manifests as me.

"Before" my incarnations into this galaxy game and physical reality I exist in another form. That form is not in the form of a human being. I call it my "higher self." My higher self (me) exists outside of the earth spacetime field.

It is me. It is my true identity and it is where I (Me on earth) come from. It sent life streams into this world and incarnate into many lives in this reality. I knew the rules of the game and the rules of this reality.

Me (my higher self) guides and directs each incarnation on earth. Me (in this life) make most of my own choices when I allow my conscious will to take charge. There are some choices that have been made by me (my higher self) that me (my incarnate self) are not allowed to change or know about. For example: my time and manner of death, and other major life lessons set forth for the challenge.

The agreement made is that I will accept any experience, good or bad, that is necessary to learn to accomplish my set purpose or desire for this life. Therefore I am responsible for everything that happens to me.

I am both the observer and the observed. My higher self sees through my eyes and through my life experience and experiences what I experience. My higher self is also connected to another higher self, etc etc. All are eventually connected to the Prime Source.

The Prime Source is the infinite observer and it lives and has life through all of its manifestations.

Ok, I stand corrected. I was only expressing my own viewpoint. And while Jeannie and I agree on a lot of areas, our opinions differ in some significant details. So, while my analogy works well for my views, it may not work so well for hers.

The significant detail that we do agree on is that everyone is ultimately responsible for their own condition.

And I personally believe that irresponsibility is the root cause of all human suffering.

(By “irresponsibility” I mean “unwillingness to be cause.”)

Actually JB your ideas are very similar to my mothers, only she knows of no physics at all.

Universal subconscious mind.

Well my knowledge of physics is very minimal. If I were not so focused on art, I would have really gotten into science. (Probably really weird science.. LOL.)

I am getting ready to paint a collection of portraits of movie stars from the 50's for a local restaurant here in town.

I have three I am working on right now. Robert Mitchum, Humphrey Bogart, and Veronica Lake. They are on canvas, gallery wrapped 20" X 36".

So if you don't see me posting, I will be painting.

Now THAT I dig! Sounds like fun!

I thought I revive a 46 day old thread (the oldest we have) and see what would happen?

Hey,no rewinding while I'm on semester break. Too much review. I'll just keep moving on - thanks!

Hi Red! It is always nice to hear from you