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Topic: Health care of The Uninsured and Poor
Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Sat 11/08/08 10:31 AM
Lets talk a little about health care that we all have today. ERs have become expensive service for an inexpensive ailment. Have any of you been to the ER lately? Its a over crowded Dr office with a very high overhead..We will treat you whether you can pay or not, at a cost you cant afford. We will re coupe our loss with higher premiums and costs. What Im getting at,are we not already paying for the uninsured and poor.....Do we pay now or do we pay later at very high cost..Take the cost of just one of those ER visits and see what you could do with it..Eliminate half and see what you could do!!!!!!

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sat 11/08/08 10:42 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Sat 11/08/08 10:48 AM Edited by quiet_2008 on Sat 11/08/08 10:48 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician.

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sat 11/08/08 10:51 AM Edited by Winx on Sat 11/08/08 10:51 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician. I was in the ER last year. I didn't see one illegal. My child has been in the ER in the children's hospital. There was not one illegal there. My brother works in hospitals in various cities. He has never had an illegal patient. I have worked in hospitals and I've never had an illegal patient.

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Sat 11/08/08 10:54 AM
then again, I live about an hour from the border. that's why I said I don't know about everywhere else.

Giocamo Joined Tue 08/19/08 Posts: 3297	Sat 11/08/08 10:57 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician. same thing here in Chicago...

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Sat 11/08/08 11:06 AM Edited by Unknow on Sat 11/08/08 11:08 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician. That my friend is a whole other subject that needs addressed also.

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Sat 11/08/08 11:09 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician. same thing here in Chicago... I kinda exspected more from you..

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Sat 11/08/08 11:13 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Totally agree... We should be finding a way to allow people the money to afford insurances so they can recieve preventive medicine.... Oh, BTW here's some interesting info: "But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor. Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health were suppressed and outlawed by the FDA not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. "Forced nationalization is the worst possible answer. To get elected, many politicians promise “free” medical care for everyone. But socialistic health care nationalization in European countries resulted in longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, deterioration of health care quality, prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed. There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: Making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes. Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket." - www.ronpaul.com Dr. Paul is a medical doctor btw...

Giocamo Joined Tue 08/19/08 Posts: 3297	Sat 11/08/08 11:22 AM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but here 90% of the people in the ER are in this country illegaly and using the ER as if it were a primary care physician. same thing here in Chicago... I kinda exspected more from you.. ...from now on it's nessuno commento !..

Unknow Joined Fri 10/06/06 Posts: 4066	Sat 11/08/08 01:54 PM
Preventative care saves money and lives in the long run. People with no insurance cannot afford preventative care. We do pay for it, like you said, with higher insurance premiums. We also pay for it with rising costs in the medical field. We pay for it when the sick, uninsured child can't attend school. The schools lose money when a child doesn't show up. When the child is sick often, how can they learn? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Totally agree... We should be finding a way to allow people the money to afford insurances so they can recieve preventive medicine.... Oh, BTW here's some interesting info: "But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor. Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health were suppressed and outlawed by the FDA not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. "Forced nationalization is the worst possible answer. To get elected, many politicians promise “free” medical care for everyone. But socialistic health care nationalization in European countries resulted in longer waiting periods, severe lack of choice, deterioration of health care quality, prohibition of alternative health treatments, higher taxes, and sadly (for some) permanent illness or death because they could not get the care they needed. There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: Making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes. Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket." - www.ronpaul.com Dr. Paul is a medical doctor btw... I like Dr Paul and have another post about the third party. I believe this is time. A Lot of Reps seats coming up next election. Dems almost a that super 60. I think you could control enough seats to make yourself heard.. JMO

enderra Joined Tue 04/15/08 Posts: 1719	Sat 11/08/08 02:06 PM
if things continue the way they are, we won't have to worry cause we will all have to go to canada or mexico for health care cause no one wants to be a doctor in this country anymore. between the cost of med-school, insurance after you get out it is a lose lose situation. The only people making money in medicine these days are the insurance companies. I have two uncle who are doctors, they both are very near retirement. One a OB GYN is one of the last OB's left in D.C. The other is a pediatrician, who is forced to see 3x more children each day than he did when I worked for him over the summer 20 years ago, to keep his practice going.

tiamabreid Joined Sun 10/12/08 Posts: 91	Sat 11/08/08 03:04 PM
I definitely agree with the lack of doctors. I did a paper in my 3rd year of Univ. about the general medicine (family doctors) becoming non-existant. Most medical students are choosing a specialty rather than general medicine. This could be one of the reasons we see so many more people in the Emergency Rooms. Over on this side of the country as well, many doctors are not taking any new patients. As far as illegal's receiving medical care, that is a completely different topic, but a very good one.

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Sat 11/08/08 03:07 PM
thing is that the baby boom is hitting retirement right about now and for the next thirty years or so there's no way the medical community is gonna be able to keep up with the healthcare that all these millions and millions of people are gonna require

tiamabreid Joined Sun 10/12/08 Posts: 91	Sat 11/08/08 03:15 PM
One of the problems, and I do agree, is that the Baby Boomer generation is extremely large. Next comes my generation, generation X, which is fairly small. Given those facts, there will not be enough physicians to accomodate all of the growing health problems of the Baby Boomer generation as they get older, unless generation Y kids start taking some biology classes and get to med school. I seriously think that one of the reason for the lack of general medical practice is because of the pay difference when given only a few more years in school, an individual would quadruple their income.

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Sat 11/08/08 05:27 PM Edited by Drivinmenutz on Sat 11/08/08 05:39 PM
if things continue the way they are, we won't have to worry cause we will all have to go to canada or mexico for health care cause no one wants to be a doctor in this country anymore. between the cost of med-school, insurance after you get out it is a lose lose situation. The only people making money in medicine these days are the insurance companies. I have two uncle who are doctors, they both are very near retirement. One a OB GYN is one of the last OB's left in D.C. The other is a pediatrician, who is forced to see 3x more children each day than he did when I worked for him over the summer 20 years ago, to keep his practice going. I'm considering an officer comission in the army to pay for medical school. Estimated cost of medical school is $236,000!!!

enderra Joined Tue 04/15/08 Posts: 1719	Sat 11/08/08 05:33 PM
if things continue the way they are, we won't have to worry cause we will all have to go to canada or mexico for health care cause no one wants to be a doctor in this country anymore. between the cost of med-school, insurance after you get out it is a lose lose situation. The only people making money in medicine these days are the insurance companies. I have two uncle who are doctors, they both are very near retirement. One a OB GYN is one of the last OB's left in D.C. The other is a pediatrician, who is forced to see 3x more children each day than he did when I worked for him over the summer 20 years ago, to keep his practice going. I'm considering an officer comission in the army to pay for medical school. Estimated cost of medical schoo is $236,000!!! Tha's some crazy SH*T

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Sat 11/08/08 05:40 PM
if things continue the way they are, we won't have to worry cause we will all have to go to canada or mexico for health care cause no one wants to be a doctor in this country anymore. between the cost of med-school, insurance after you get out it is a lose lose situation. The only people making money in medicine these days are the insurance companies. I have two uncle who are doctors, they both are very near retirement. One a OB GYN is one of the last OB's left in D.C. The other is a pediatrician, who is forced to see 3x more children each day than he did when I worked for him over the summer 20 years ago, to keep his practice going. I'm considering an officer comission in the army to pay for medical school. Estimated cost of medical school is $236,000!!! Tha's some crazy SH*T Ya, tell me about it... If i get it through the army they will pay for everything. Might be worth another six years of military service for that...

gentlefaith Joined Sun 10/19/08 Posts: 53	Sat 11/08/08 05:53 PM
I work in health care and see the problems discussed here every day. I live in rural TN and the population is poor and 90% is on Tenncare a state run health insurance. I see that those 90% do not need the medical care they are receiving most are mentally ill and make thereselves sick physically. 80% are on hydrocodone and klonopin (pain and nerve pills) and they do not need them. It's the poor working class like myself that needs affordable healthcare. The mess that national healthcare is in will take decades to fix. I will not be here when that happens just have to make the best of it. I will use ER only for real emergencies and pray my health is good. I am diabetic but my levels are good. Just something to think about

Winx Joined Fri 08/31/07 Posts: 39051	Sat 11/08/08 06:55 PM
I work in health care and see the problems discussed here every day. I live in rural TN and the population is poor and 90% is on Tenncare a state run health insurance. I see that those 90% do not need the medical care they are receiving most are mentally ill and make thereselves sick physically. 80% are on hydrocodone and klonopin (pain and nerve pills) and they do not need them. It's the poor working class like myself that needs affordable healthcare. The mess that national healthcare is in will take decades to fix. I will not be here when that happens just have to make the best of it. I will use ER only for real emergencies and pray my health is good. I am diabetic but my levels are good. Just something to think about No disrespect here. I have worked with the mentally ill. You say that they are making themselves sick physically. I don't understand.