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Topic: WHAT WOULD LIFE BE LIKE WITHOUT RELIGION?
splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 10:51 AM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. Perhaps we're at the edge of a precipice? Maybe in the next few years, even. Mankind is allways at the edge... what religions fail to get is that when we fall we fly. there is no need of light without pitfalls... they help us grow... We are destined for glory. No religion can ever take that away from us. Nor can any religion ever force us into a way that is not productive. (i.e. be good so you may die with bliss). WE ARE IMORTAL... WE CAN NOT DIE... THAT WHICH IS US IS FAR BEYOND THE PHYSICAL. we are made in the image of that which is... I AM.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 10:54 AM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? it would lead to utter delusion total chaos create a void in the profession of pyschiatry and cause man to fullfilled the prophecy of Armengeddon himself Perhaps the profession of Psychiatry is partially rooted in delusion. The delusion that we are somehow flawed and need "fixing". Please just consider it. the last time i looked Psychiatrist had one of the highest suicide rates here, i might have changed to a degree, but thats interesting that people would go to one that in many instances can't even help themselves with thier own problems?? hmmmm? I thought it was police that had the highest suicide rates..but anyway people go to psychiatrist when they may feel it is more perferable than kneeling on your knees looking upwards and talking to an imaginary friend like i said i'm not sure anymore haven't looked it up in years you may very well be right - but im sure they'd still be in the top 5.

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 11:05 AM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? it would lead to utter delusion total chaos create a void in the profession of pyschiatry and cause man to fullfilled the prophecy of Armengeddon himself Perhaps the profession of Psychiatry is partially rooted in delusion. The delusion that we are somehow flawed and need "fixing". Please just consider it. "splendidlife"..religion is the poor man's psychiatrist ...without religion it's only logical to predict it would cause a void in the profession ...why place the fact that the masses believe they may be flawed or need fixing on psychiatry and not on the person's own mental state It is the profession of Psychiatry that believes in the flaw and perpetuates that belief in the masses. Yes, I agree and would further say that any religion that agrees with the paradigm that we are flawed WOULD IN FACT be like "the poor man's Psychiatrist".

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 11:07 AM Edited by tribo on Sat 10/25/08 11:08 AM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humerous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or concieved or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself?

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 11:13 AM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humerous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or concieved or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself? Call yourself out... Actually... to answer your question... It could possibly be Heaven On Earth. Then, perhaps there would be no contrast from which to learn.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 12:09 PM Edited by tribo on Sat 10/25/08 12:11 PM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humerous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or concieved or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself? Call yourself out... Actually... to answer your question... It could possibly be Heaven On Earth. Then, perhaps there would be no contrast from which to learn. HMMM?? I'm not sure that if religion/god was never thought of that right and wrong as to civilization would not have still been, we see that to a degree even within the lower animal kingdom, so i think there would still be contrast such as that existing. dont you? But then again, that begs the question of what right and wrong are and how we developed the concept? yet like i say, we can see this behavior in chimps and wolves and others of whats best for the whole as to the individual? HMMM?

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 12:27 PM Edited by splendidlife on Sat 10/25/08 12:30 PM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humerous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or concieved or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself? Call yourself out... Actually... to answer your question... It could possibly be Heaven On Earth. Then, perhaps there would be no contrast from which to learn. HMMM?? I'm not sure that if religion/god was never thought of that right and wrong as to civilization would not have still been, we see that to a degree even within the lower animal kingdom, so i think there would still be contrast such as that existing. dont you? But then again, that begs the question of what right and wrong are and how we developed the concept? yet like i say, we can see this behavior in chimps and wolves and others of whats best for the whole as to the individual? HMMM? True about mankind (I think). It seems to happen naturally with the social animals. We develop the concept of right and wrong from the moment we "hit the ground" (exit the womb), so to speak, because we teach our selves about this strange new world by comparing all new experiences as they arise. Social animals may use comparison to learn, but are not given the seemingly specific and divisive man-made directive to categorize as "right" and "wrong".

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 12:36 PM Edited by tribo on Sat 10/25/08 12:43 PM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humorous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or conceived or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself? Call yourself out... Actually... to answer your question... It could possibly be Heaven On Earth. Then, perhaps there would be no contrast from which to learn. HMMM?? I'm not sure that if religion/god was never thought of that right and wrong as to civilization would not have still been, we see that to a degree even within the lower animal kingdom, so i think there would still be contrast such as that existing. don't you? But then again, that begs the question of what right and wrong are and how we developed the concept? yet like i say, we can see this behavior in chimps and wolves and others of whats best for the whole as to the individual? HMMM? True about mankind (I think). It seems to happen naturally with the social animals. We develop the concept of right and wrong from the moment we "hit the ground" (exit the womb), so to speak, because we teach our selves about this strange new world by comparing all new experiences as they arise. Social animals may use comparison to learn, but are not given the seemingly specific and divisive man-made directive to categorize as "right" and "wrong". Yet we in and of ourselves are not really equipped, from birth, to be left on our own to cope in this new world we come into. as is true of other life also to a smaller degree. Most are ready to go right from the womb as you say [alligators,turtles, snakes,etc..]but others need time [some a lot of time] to be really equipped to be on their own so to say. and a lot of our time seems to be learning what is "socially" acceptable, don't you think? Here again it raises the question of where these moral or social right and wrongs spring from?

breathless1 Joined Tue 09/23/08 Posts: 490	Sat 10/25/08 12:38 PM
"WHAT WOULD LIFE BE LIKE WITHOUT RELIGION?" My opinion...honestly? A whole lot more peace-filled.

MirrorMirror Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 89680	Sat 10/25/08 12:39 PM
It is my firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 12:44 PM
It is my firm belief that it is a mistake to hold firm beliefs. That is your "mistake"

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 12:48 PM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? this part of mankind is ready to accept it. Would mean that many people would not be shoving it at me when I need it not. well then all that's necessary is to convince 6 billion + more to do it then. Ahhh, yes... But, convincing ~6.5 billion people requires a directive... As soon as we ascribe any directive, doesn't it become "like" religion? i was being humorous my lady, but for sure "convince" would be the wrong terminology to use. my question was really what would it be like if it did not exist, not whether we somehow got rid of it - just what it may be like without it ever having been or conceived or pondered. I took my own post off topic - should i report myself? Call yourself out... Actually... to answer your question... It could possibly be Heaven On Earth. Then, perhaps there would be no contrast from which to learn. HMMM?? I'm not sure that if religion/god was never thought of that right and wrong as to civilization would not have still been, we see that to a degree even within the lower animal kingdom, so i think there would still be contrast such as that existing. don't you? But then again, that begs the question of what right and wrong are and how we developed the concept? yet like i say, we can see this behavior in chimps and wolves and others of whats best for the whole as to the individual? HMMM? True about mankind (I think). It seems to happen naturally with the social animals. We develop the concept of right and wrong from the moment we "hit the ground" (exit the womb), so to speak, because we teach our selves about this strange new world by comparing all new experiences as they arise. Social animals may use comparison to learn, but are not given the seemingly specific and divisive man-made directive to categorize as "right" and "wrong". Yet we in and of ourselves are not really equipped, from birth, to be left on our own to cope in this new world we come into. as is true of other life also to a smaller degree. Most are ready to go right from the womb as you say [alligators,turtles, snakes,etc..]but others need time [some a lot of time] to be really equipped to be on their own so to say. and a lot of our time seems to be learning what is "socially" acceptable, don't you think? Here again it raises the question of where these moral or social right and wrongs spring from? As new born babies, while we are having our physical needs met (along with being comforted and loved), we are bit-by-bit establishing our own data base as we progress through time and development. We are looking through eyes that evaluate (compare and contrast) our surroundings. Ever notice how new born babies look like they're straining to see? THEY ARE! Even when they don't yet have their vision together, they're trying to see!

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 01:07 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here?

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 01:16 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here? I don't think you're missing A thing, Sam. That sh!t gets laid on us by elders who've been here longer and have combined their own comparisons with social morals (regional, national and global right and wrongs).

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 01:24 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here? I don't think you're missing A thing, Sam. That sh!t gets laid on us by elders who've been here longer and have combined their own comparisons with social morals (regional, national and global right and wrongs). yes my sweet lady but where did they originate? how did they come into existence?

Cursed Joined Sun 10/19/08 Posts: 321	Sat 10/25/08 01:30 PM
I wouldn't be getting woken up at 7am from those damn witnesses people.

Jess642 Joined Sat 03/31/07 Posts: 22732	Sat 10/25/08 01:39 PM
TELL ME HOW YOU THINK LIFE WOULD BE WITHOUT ANY GOD'S OR GODDESSES OR ANTHING ELSE? WOULD MANKIND BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT? Perhaps not yet....we have a ways to go methinks before separation isn't necessary anmore.

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 02:13 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here? I don't think you're missing A thing, Sam. That sh!t gets laid on us by elders who've been here longer and have combined their own comparisons with social morals (regional, national and global right and wrongs). yes my sweet lady but where did they originate? how did they come into existence? Somehow, we are meant to come here and experience this "Holy Spirit" thing. Now... that's just an assigned name I grabbed out of a hat. Doesn't mean a damned thing. So... if these social "morals" were meant to be, they would come into play even if we never discovered their origin. I'd like to know, but probably won't figure it out on my own.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 02:21 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here? I don't think you're missing A thing, Sam. That sh!t gets laid on us by elders who've been here longer and have combined their own comparisons with social morals (regional, national and global right and wrongs). yes my sweet lady but where did they originate? how did they come into existence? Somehow, we are meant to come here and experience this "Holy Spirit" thing. Now... that's just an assigned name I grabbed out of a hat. Doesn't mean a damned thing. So... if these social "morals" were meant to be, they would come into play even if we never discovered their origin. I'd like to know, but probably won't figure it out on my own. well then i cant talk with you anymore my lady, i have lost confidence in your immutability and omniscience, i will have to return to smiles for answers -

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Sat 10/25/08 05:22 PM Edited by splendidlife on Sat 10/25/08 05:27 PM
yes and i take that as you but i dont see where this is a comparison to learnig morals - right and wrong, civil society? what am i missing here? I don't think you're missing A thing, Sam. That sh!t gets laid on us by elders who've been here longer and have combined their own comparisons with social morals (regional, national and global right and wrongs). yes my sweet lady but where did they originate? how did they come into existence? Somehow, we are meant to come here and experience this "Holy Spirit" thing. Now... that's just an assigned name I grabbed out of a hat. Doesn't mean a damned thing. So... if these social "morals" were meant to be, they would come into play even if we never discovered their origin. I'd like to know, but probably won't figure it out on my own. well then i cant talk with you anymore my lady, i have lost confidence in your immutability and omniscience, i will have to return to smiles for answers - I'm clear that I won't learn jack if I don't continue to ask you and people like you, who are bold enough to not tip-toe around the precious beliefs of others and to also try to answer your intriguing questions.