It's true. I don't have much tolerance for tolerating intolerance.

Thier is a need for religion. Thier is also only one true Diety. Thier has to be or non at all. All can not be the same. The true Diety down through time is focused on shalom and love. Man has shown what he will do if he sees himself as all powerful. The Romans the Egyptions the inquisistion. All claimed a Diety but they were the enforcer of the Dieties mind on earth. Hence they became the diety they worshipped. Continues on to today. You can not have a Diety because Power will create one in thier image in thier laws deciding life and death. So mans quest for power and control on others would be worse if thier was no Diety for at least the ones who are abused has the comfort that not all is lost that all men have to answer to a Diety that is Fair and Just.. Blessings....Miles

Weak minded human beings need something to lean on dont they?

Sounds like LIBS & their love for Nanny govt. to me...I think you are confusing the two.


OOPS! Would this be considered off topic??? Nah! Secular humanism IS a religion.

So tell me again who the REAL weaklings are...those who cry for their nanny govt. or those who walk not by sight but by faith in God?

You have alot to learn grasshopper.

Intolerance...can you tolerate the intolerance of your own intolerances... I think not.

The real weaklings are ones who cant stand on there own. Those who cant form there own beliefs. Those who have to look to an outside source for strenth and self worth.

The real weaklings are those who force there beliefs on others by mass. Those who belive in a hyerarchy system where 1 man is supperior and the other are inferrior

In my opinion of course

utopia

Uh? Christianity is not for the weak... it takes strength to stand back & wait on God. OTOH, it's a weakling who puts their faith in govt. Just MHO...

Weakness comes by way of being non self suffecient. When you look 2 something else for "strength" or self worth.

is that possible? hmm? i guess it is - but - how sufficient are we really? do we not depend on doctors, farmers, etc., to help our sufficiency? how many or any are skilled enough any more to really be self-sufficient? though in times past this held true for the biggest part, i don't see this today except maybe in areas where thee is no choice but do everything you possibly can to survive, and millions don't. even the most avid backwoodsmen rely on others to supply them with necessities, guns, ammo, food stuffs, etc..


interesting discussion.

One could also look at it like this:

Weakness can come by way of NOT asking for help and suffering as a result, because one refuses to admit that they're fallible.

right doe eyes, i know i try to be as self sufficient as i can - but also know that sufficiency is still dependent on others to what ever degree i might need at any given time.

I know there are cases or circumstances [especially in the past] where man had no choice but to be as self sufficient as possible, of course thats why life spans were much shorter also. you can't be all things you need at all times unto yourself. To me, sufficency or dependency for now is somewhat dependant on others. though i do feel for those who don't know how to grow and raise food and their own animals or sew or or maintain their equipment or other things not that long ago everyone just knew. how many could can their own food if necessary, or perserve their meats, or even cook decently, etc.. with this recession it got me to wonder how young people would cope if things got really bad like in the 20's and 30's??

Sometimes I hope that soon a time will come that we'll all be put in a position to rely on nature and the cooperation of the people around us for survival.

I've heard stories from friends that lived in the San Fernando Valley during the Northridge Quake in '94. Everyone I spoke with said that, having been disconnected from "the grid", people were united and more connected to one another than they'd ever experienced.

i've seen that to during the hurricanes in fla. people do come together, unfortunately when things get back to "normal" it soon goes away - does that mean we can only come together in a meaningful way if we stay in a state of emergency? let's hope not, but it seems to be true.

Perhaps the loss of all modern amenities, due to some sort of global cataclysm, will force humans to rely on a more permanent cohesive coexistence.

It's not that I wish to see great suffering. But, don't we see agonizing suffering in our isolation from one another?

I aggree whole-heartedly, but we have to rely on ourselves to the point that we cant completly colapse. Its our job as humans to be our own rock, but its also our jobs to teach others the same.

SL:

Perhaps the loss of all modern amenities, due to some sort of global cataclysm, will force humans to rely on a more permanent cohesive coexistence.

It's not that I wish to see great suffering. But, don't we see agonizing suffering in our isolation from one another?


TRIBO:

well we do have the indians as a good example of coming togeter in the six nations, but occasionally even they would war against others. I'm just not sure as long as we wear this flesh that it's possible -can it it be improved? certainly, but become utopia? i don't think so my lady. to many egocentric individuals to have it be so.

Yes we all do.

Sure I break my leg im going to ask for help from another person, perhaps someone that has a track record for helping.

Duh.

Am I going to ask an invisible sky daddy how I should think about killing to survive?

I assume you eat meat? Does god say its ok to kill to survive?
My Values do not . . . .

the day religion is no more is the day that people no longer can self righteously kill in the name of their god with a clear conscience.

Its the day that good is measured on how kind and loving someone is based on the merit of these qualities alone, rather than what other-worldy reward or punishment awaits them.

it's the day that people feel free to seize this life and live it to its fullest because there is none other afterward.

its also the day when we are not divided according to who is a heathen and who is righteous, who a muslim and who is christian, who are lesser and who is worthy

its a world where people are encouraged to not be fearful of thinking for themselves and acquiring knowledge rather than believing anything simply because it was drilled into their young minds from birth.

a world without religion is what i hope my grandchildren and great grandchildren will enjoy one day