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Buying a car, a fridge or a candy bar redistributes wealth. That's not evil is it? The size of government, government spending and debt have all sky rocketed under Bush. Guess what? Someone has to pay the bill. We cannot keep selling ourselves to China. How people can sit around and act like this isn't happening astonishes me. I am much more afraid of our growing debt to China and other countries than I am of taxes. It has all grown 35% under Clinton, and 45% under Bush. I think somewhere between 25 and 30% under Bush senior. You are right. If we keep taxes, have a noninterventional foreign policy, use our military instead of the Department of homeland security, and the national guard instead of FEMA you just saved around 1 or 2 trillion a year. Apply that towards the debt to china, and you might have it paid off in like 5 to 7 years... depressing huh? If we print more money, that would essentially tax us, but it would pay off china quicker... Maybe we do need to prioritize... Wouldn't it be nice if these people with PHd's that run our country would sit down in a room, with REAL figures, and actually come up witha solution to these REAL problems? WHy is it that you and i can come up with more logical solutions to these problems than they can? |
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well, yes you are probably right in your opinion, but it doesn't make mccain look much better. someone has to pay for this bullsh1t our country is in and do you honestly think it's going to be the CEOS? not unless someone else steps in and TAKES it from them. So you feel that it's okay for one person to decide another person has too much success? That's really scary. We live in a capitalist society, we keep what we earn. What you are proposing is redistribution of wealth. Such proposals always result in damage to the economy, because you are punishing the people with the most success. Why should they continue to work hard? It just means they will pay more taxes. You bring everyone down instead of raising everyone up. It'll be even scarier (depression) when the consumer won't have the monies to buy goods and services. I don't mind paying more taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil. People need to have more empathy for their fellow man. That's what I'm taking about, when Obama gets into office and drives us into depression. If you think that is a scary idea, why are you supporting him? I'm talking about McCain. |
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well, yes you are probably right in your opinion, but it doesn't make mccain look much better. someone has to pay for this bullsh1t our country is in and do you honestly think it's going to be the CEOS? not unless someone else steps in and TAKES it from them. So you feel that it's okay for one person to decide another person has too much success? That's really scary. We live in a capitalist society, we keep what we earn. What you are proposing is redistribution of wealth. Such proposals always result in damage to the economy, because you are punishing the people with the most success. Why should they continue to work hard? It just means they will pay more taxes. You bring everyone down instead of raising everyone up. It'll be even scarier (depression) when the consumer won't have the monies to buy goods and services. I don't mind paying more taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil. People need to have more empathy for their fellow man. Empathy for your fellow man is called "Charity". Taxes are redistribution of wealth. And from what you just stated, you should be supporting McCain, because according to Obmama, McCain will raise taxes on everyone. You do want to do your part, don't you? 
Wow, I have never met a person that makes fun of empathy before. 
It's always easier to attack your opponent than admit he is right. "You made fun of empathy!" No, I pointed out how foolishness of your position. You are supporting the guy who claims to only want to tax a small portion of the populous, but you think everyone should pay more taxes. Empathy is a great thing, but it's not empathy for you or Obama to take money from others and give it to the poor. That's stealing. If you have SO much empathy, then go donate your time and money to a soup kitchen, don't take from someone else's pocket and pretend you've done a good deed. My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish. 
I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. |
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well, yes you are probably right in your opinion, but it doesn't make mccain look much better. someone has to pay for this bullsh1t our country is in and do you honestly think it's going to be the CEOS? not unless someone else steps in and TAKES it from them. So you feel that it's okay for one person to decide another person has too much success? That's really scary. We live in a capitalist society, we keep what we earn. What you are proposing is redistribution of wealth. Such proposals always result in damage to the economy, because you are punishing the people with the most success. Why should they continue to work hard? It just means they will pay more taxes. You bring everyone down instead of raising everyone up. It'll be even scarier (depression) when the consumer won't have the monies to buy goods and services. I don't mind paying more taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil. People need to have more empathy for their fellow man. That's what I'm taking about, when Obama gets into office and drives us into depression. If you think that is a scary idea, why are you supporting him? I'm talking about McCain. They will both do it... Obama's supposed policies will just do it a LITTLE bit quicker as they are more aggressive. As i said earlier... goverment spending increased 25 or so % under bush senior, 35% under clinton, and 45% under bush jr. These are both dems and repubs here. I'm thinking next in line will give us 50% or more for the government spending increase... |
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My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish.
This crap again? Listen: There is only one right way, the one that works. Simply put, the economic policies you are espousing have been proven to fail every time they have been tried. From JFK to Reagan to Bush, following the Laffer curve has been shown to help the economy. I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. Is that what qualifies you to take money from other people and redistribute it? Because you "donate your time" you can force others to donate their money, even if they can't afford it or don't want to? |
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Edited by
Winx
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Fri 10/17/08 09:48 AM
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My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish.
This crap again? Listen: There is only one right way, the one that works. Simply put, the economic policies you are espousing have been proven to fail every time they have been tried. From JFK to Reagan to Bush, following the Laffer curve has been shown to help the economy. I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. Is that what qualifies you to take money from other people and redistribute it? Because you "donate your time" you can force others to donate their money, even if they can't afford it or don't want to? I was replying to you telling me: "If you have SO much empathy, then go donate your time and money to a soup kitchen." I was telling you that I do. I guess that you forgot. This crap again? Excuse me? Do I talk to you like that? 
I disagree with you. Accept that. I strongly feel that the worse thing for our country is McCain/Palin. I am not rude to people that disagree. |
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My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish.
This crap again? Listen: There is only one right way, the one that works. Simply put, the economic policies you are espousing have been proven to fail every time they have been tried. From JFK to Reagan to Bush, following the Laffer curve has been shown to help the economy. I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. Is that what qualifies you to take money from other people and redistribute it? Because you "donate your time" you can force others to donate their money, even if they can't afford it or don't want to? get off your high horse! at least she does makes an effort to help in the community. do you? and fyi the government has been forcing people to share the wealth since day one... only difference is they've been sharing it amongst the wealthiest few. spin it how ever you want.... a horse is a horse no matter what color it is. |
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This crap again? Excuse me? Do I talk to you like that?
I just did...Trick question? I disagree with you. Accept that. I strongly feel that the worse thing for our country is McCain/Palin. I am not rude to people that disagree. I'm sorry, you don't disagree with me. You disagree with the facts. You can support whomever you want for president, that means nothing to me, I don't support any running candidate. But you can't tell me that raising taxes will make the economy better, it doesn't work. It's failed every time it's been tried. If you want to ignore the facts, that's your lookout, but I'm not going to pretend that what you are posting makes sense or is good policy. |
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MEE MEEP!!!!!!
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Buying a car, a fridge or a candy bar redistributes wealth. That's not evil is it? The size of government, government spending and debt have all sky rocketed under Bush. Guess what? Someone has to pay the bill. We cannot keep selling ourselves to China. How people can sit around and act like this isn't happening astonishes me. I am much more afraid of our growing debt to China and other countries than I am of taxes. No, redistribution of wealth is the taking of wealth from one group and giving it to another group against the will of the first group. What you are talking about is a simple purchase, which is a voluntary trade. When you purchase something, you have a net change on your books of 0. If you pay .65 for a snickers bar and you get a snickers bar, then your accounts payable loss of .65 is evened out by your accounts receivable receipt of the snickers bar. If 10% of your income is taken and given to someone else, you have nothing on your accounts receivable, so you have a net loss in value of 10%. |
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My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish.
This crap again? Listen: There is only one right way, the one that works. Simply put, the economic policies you are espousing have been proven to fail every time they have been tried. From JFK to Reagan to Bush, following the Laffer curve has been shown to help the economy. I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. Is that what qualifies you to take money from other people and redistribute it? Because you "donate your time" you can force others to donate their money, even if they can't afford it or don't want to? get off your high horse! at least she does makes an effort to help in the community. do you? and fyi the government has been forcing people to share the wealth since day one... only difference is they've been sharing it amongst the wealthiest few. spin it how ever you want.... a horse is a horse no matter what color it is. 
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This crap again? Excuse me? Do I talk to you like that?
I just did...Trick question? I disagree with you. Accept that. I strongly feel that the worse thing for our country is McCain/Palin. I am not rude to people that disagree. I'm sorry, you don't disagree with me. You disagree with the facts. You can support whomever you want for president, that means nothing to me, I don't support any running candidate. But you can't tell me that raising taxes will make the economy better, it doesn't work. It's failed every time it's been tried. If you want to ignore the facts, that's your lookout, but I'm not going to pretend that what you are posting makes sense or is good policy. You just did what? I disagree with the way that you look at raising taxes 3% for the people making over $250,000 a year. So....if you want act rude about the fact that I look at it differently...it's all on you. |
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Edited by
becca777
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Fri 10/17/08 10:02 AM
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 come on people
stop arguing
grrr my little icons aren't working |
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Edited by
Winx
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Fri 10/17/08 10:58 AM
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My position is the right one for me. Maybe I think that your position is foolish.
This crap again? Listen: There is only one right way, the one that works. Simply put, the economic policies you are espousing have been proven to fail every time they have been tried. From JFK to Reagan to Bush, following the Laffer curve has been shown to help the economy. I do donate my time. I volunteer at a food pantry. I also did a one person food drive for them when the food was low. I volunteer at church, my kid's school, scouts, and more. Is that what qualifies you to take money from other people and redistribute it? Because you "donate your time" you can force others to donate their money, even if they can't afford it or don't want to? get off your high horse! at least she does makes an effort to help in the community. do you? and fyi the government has been forcing people to share the wealth since day one... only difference is they've been sharing it amongst the wealthiest few. spin it how ever you want.... a horse is a horse no matter what color it is. 
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I was listening to that too. But..I got out of the car right when they were talking about the Road Runner. I thought it was interesting when they said that McCain was doing the Rope A Dope. Gotta give Ali credit for that phrase, btw. They said McCain looked angry throughout the debate and tried to pull Obama in. But...Obama stay calm and collected. And....that demeanor is what we want to see in a President. During that same talk they said something that I found interesting. They said to making any tax cuts right now would be bad during the recession. I watched that debate... Pundits can claim what they wan't... McCain did not seem angry.. He seemed to be focused. Obama seemed to be flusted several times in the first part of the debate. (curious since that part was on the economy... his strong area). Obama also showed several times with he appeared to be angry. Since I watched it split screen I saw them both at the same time. Obama showed far more anger than McCain... and anyone watching Obama for the last several weeks knows that when he smiles he's been hit hard... How many times did he smile in that debate. Anyone that believes the pundit hype is allowing them to think for you. |
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just a thought to ponder
who do you think pays corporate taxes (those that purchase things from that corporation pay corporations taxes) raising corporate taxes is like double taxing the people -- you pay the taxes you have to pay then when you buy something you are paying the taxes the corporation that is providing your product or service; has to pay they raise the price to cover their tax thus you are double taxed |
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come on people
stop arguing
grrr my little icons aren't working lol...sorry bout that... this is the first i've heard of that comparison between Obama, mcCain, the roadrunner and Wiley Cyote. It's quite humorous as it is true in the sense that Obama seems to have more charismatic composure than mccain. Obama is trying to rally supporters, and McCain is trying to get in the way. They both criticise each other quite often though...
The dabates are pretty entertaining to watch too (like saturday morning cartoons), as long as you are not trying to get any valueable information from them. |
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