Topic: TO ALL MY CONSERVATIVE MINGLE MEMBERS!
DeusExMachina's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:08 PM
I like a lot of his work but I try to take everything with a grain of salt.

wouldee's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:08 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 06:09 PM

Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




then join us constitutionalists and fight the fight with integrity and the truth.

flowerforyou

enderra's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:10 PM


Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




then join us constitutionalists and fight the fight with integrity and the truth.

flowerforyou
you are neither, because you are already bought and sold.

tanyaann's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:10 PM




Figured it was something like that... Wasn't trying to attack, just being curious. Good luck with you application.flowerforyou


Thank you. flowerforyou

And someday you just might see me running for presidency. For which I will probably encounter the similar critizism that I am not seasoned enough to run the country cause I probably will not be a politican as the norm.


You got my vote alreadyflowerforyou


:thumbsup:

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:12 PM

Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

I can understand about the "noise" thing. You are right, some are more corrupt than others. We now know your stance.

I am one fo those dreamers you mentioned. I would like to think of myself as a constitutionalist, and i believe that by reverting back to the original intentions behind the constitutions we could solve ALL the problems we are having as a country.

I have an Uncle who takes a similar stance to yours. He is rather wise and he definitely knows politics...flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:16 PM


Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

I can understand about the "noise" thing. You are right, some are more corrupt than others. We now know your stance.

I am one fo those dreamers you mentioned. I would like to think of myself as a constitutionalist, and i believe that by reverting back to the original intentions behind the constitutions we could solve ALL the problems we are having as a country.

I have an Uncle who takes a similar stance to yours. He is rather wise and he definitely knows politics...flowerforyou


As much as the constitutional approach may help things, it is too idealist to think that we can go completely back. Not only the US but the world is capitalistic. Yes, I think Ron Paul has great points, however, there is no way to convert the US system in 4-8 years where it would stick.

wouldee's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:22 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 10/05/08 06:23 PM
true.

but educating anyone and everyone is the point.

and that starts somewhere.

we didn't have the internet before.

use it while it is still mostly censorship free.


That's all I HAVE to say to make it easy to get started.

and linking to all the sites out there couldn't be easier.

This will not last forever andwe have now.

all we have is now.


the lights will go out under martial law.
think


Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:29 PM



Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

I can understand about the "noise" thing. You are right, some are more corrupt than others. We now know your stance.

I am one fo those dreamers you mentioned. I would like to think of myself as a constitutionalist, and i believe that by reverting back to the original intentions behind the constitutions we could solve ALL the problems we are having as a country.

I have an Uncle who takes a similar stance to yours. He is rather wise and he definitely knows politics...flowerforyou


As much as the constitutional approach may help things, it is too idealist to think that we can go completely back. Not only the US but the world is capitalistic. Yes, I think Ron Paul has great points, however, there is no way to convert the US system in 4-8 years where it would stick.


Nope, it would take time. But if congress were to back him on the issue i think it would be possible.

We just need to stick to the basics. Honestly, we could get rid of a lot of spending by rethinking our foreign policy. Pull troops our of everywhere, and isolate ourselves a bit. This would do several things. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers coming back with tens of thousands of dollars in their bank accounts, dreaming ofwhat they will spend money on back here in the states. That's a small boost for the economy (about like the old stimulus package i would think). Have them deal with border security. Get rid of the departnment of homeland security. There ya go. We saved over a trillion a year. We could use against the deficit. Then we have to find some way of keeping the money printing in check. Either audit the Federal Reserve, or abolish it. (LOL...right?) I would love to see the dollar be backed again (not sure how possible this would be).

Then, most importantly, you have civil liberties. The terrorist reform act, the patriot act, etc. all have to go. The bill of rights needs total restoration.

Anyway, yeah... the hardest part would be getting it to stick. I guess the best way to achieve that is through education. Cut and regulate other programs for the sake of decent education. When people know how to research, and they are taught to think critically, maybe then we could maintain the old form of government.

For instence, we would have a better idea on who to pick for our local representative or state senator. This should help the system out quite a bit...

In the end, you are most likely right though...

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:30 PM

I like a lot of his work but I try to take everything with a grain of salt.


Very wise. Listen to what he has to say, then critique it. He does put a lot of effort in his research, but he is on the biased side.

tanyaann's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:31 PM
Constitutionalism is a good thing. We need individuals out there willing for fight for it. We need those pushing for exteremes for we can maintain freedoms and continuing rights. I have quite a few old friends that are constitutionalist. And definately fight for what is right.

I myself have a different fight like most of us. I don't expect everyone to agree with me and what I advocate for and I wouldn't expect them to. However, I fight for certain populations so that they may have a standard of living that all human beings deserve.

Eventhough we all will continually disagree on what is best for all. We are all an important part of politics and life!

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:37 PM



Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




then join us constitutionalists and fight the fight with integrity and the truth.

flowerforyou
you are neither, because you are already bought and sold.
:smile: Thats right. flowerforyou



flowerforyou Integrity and truth never freed anyone.flowerforyou

tanyaann's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:38 PM
The US has done a lot of nasty things to become a world power. Regardless of who is in office I don't think we will ever pull out enough troops to become isolationist. It is already clear that the US is loosing its world power status and other countries are emerging. Nothing last forever, but for the US to become isolationist would not be the answer. There is no longer individual country markets, there is a world market. And as much as we push against globalization, we will not grow. We just need to find better approaches. Instead of deeming that the US's way is the only way and best way, we need to learn to be better negotiators and mediators. Instead of jumping the gun and waging war or instituting embargos we need to work with other countries. This is where we are lacking as a country in world affairs.

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:38 PM
:smile: There are basically only two kinds of people: The Owners, and The Workers.:smile:

Drivinmenutz's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:40 PM




Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




then join us constitutionalists and fight the fight with integrity and the truth.

flowerforyou
you are neither, because you are already bought and sold.
:smile: Thats right. flowerforyou



flowerforyou Integrity and truth never freed anyone.flowerforyou


The truth sets us all free...:wink:

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:40 PM

The US has done a lot of nasty things to become a world power. Regardless of who is in office I don't think we will ever pull out enough troops to become isolationist. It is already clear that the US is loosing its world power status and other countries are emerging. Nothing last forever, but for the US to become isolationist would not be the answer. There is no longer individual country markets, there is a world market. And as much as we push against globalization, we will not grow. We just need to find better approaches. Instead of deeming that the US's way is the only way and best way, we need to learn to be better negotiators and mediators. Instead of jumping the gun and waging war or instituting embargos we need to work with other countries. This is where we are lacking as a country in world affairs.
:smile:Too many of our leaders lack basic leadership skills (Bush for example)and everyone is out for themselves or (what they think) is their faction.flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:42 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Sun 10/05/08 06:43 PM





Youth provides you with the option to dream about what should be, with age you have to deal with what is. The fact of the matter is. And this is all that counts, between the two who are you with. Once you decide, do what is positive to further them.

I am sorry to all but I have had it up to here with the noise.

I spent countless hours in college debating the fact that we are actually being governed by multi-national corporations and I believe that we are to great extent. But, I also see that there are those that are deeper in the filth in others.




then join us constitutionalists and fight the fight with integrity and the truth.

flowerforyou
you are neither, because you are already bought and sold.
:smile: Thats right. flowerforyou



flowerforyou Integrity and truth never freed anyone.flowerforyou


The truth sets us all free...:wink:
:smile: On a personal level:smile: Your right in the sense that one must realize there is a problem if one wants to correct the problem.:smile: Honesty to ones ownself is the most important thing.:smile: Truth never won a revolution and truth never won a war.:smile:

warmachine's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:48 PM
Alex Jones is the man, he's just been ramped up almost mad by all the crap.

Ron Paul would destroy the MSM candidates in a debate, but I'd like Dr.Paul to take the Campaign for Liberty and use it to open a debate platform that A)Injects real issues and B)Doesn't exclude third party voices, the MSM candidates seem to be scared sh!tless to face the 3rd party folks, why is that?

warmachine's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:49 PM
It's been quite frightening to see how many folks are quite brainwashed by the MSM propaganda.

tanyaann's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:50 PM
flowerforyou warmachine

I was wondering when you were going to show up.

wouldee's photo
Sun 10/05/08 06:58 PM
and remaining a critic of the fractious partisanship is less than nothing.

educating voters and citizens and daters and forum trolls is all we got. LOL

ZIf you don't know what is coming at you, you can't know why.

If you justify the game by choosing between the lesser of two evils, then you are being played.

There is no truth in the game being played in the average American.

Teachers won't teach the truth because the truth is forbidden to be taught.

Politicians have no integrity or they wouldn't fall into the trappings of the game.

The truth is nowhere in sight in the schools, or in the media.

And if nothing comes of truth or integrity, then truth and integrity do not exist for you.

This country did not get like this overnight, and it certainly didn't get this way on Bush's watch.

Deconstruction of fractious partisan loyalties involves slapping people upside the head with the truth and pointing out the lies and deceit and things hidden in plain sight is the start of persuasion.

Nobody will mobilize any change without convincing persuasion.

avoiding integrity and truth will get us where we are already.

Same thing with the debate over the reality of a loving God.

It is more about thinking and feeling and acting on a word, than about thinking and doing nothing about but thinking some more.

The thinking is being done for America by people that don't want Americans to get up off the couch and turning off the TV.

The thinking is being done for Americans by peopple that don't want Americans to get up from their PCs and actually start playing the game, but the internet is where Americans are most the time and also in front of the TV.

The internet is still relatively free and uncensored.

That will not last.

SO, what gets the word out to change things better?

get it?


think +:heart: =:thumbsup: