Perfection in a world of imperfect humans is the impossibility but it is not a downer if you embrace the fact that in our imperfection we are such beautiful, awesome, amazing creatures. Who on the down side are capable of the most horrid, awful things in our ugly moments of which we rise from in all our glory to live on another day.

I agree with splendid, nothing is wasted. We are but children in this life learning and feeling our way. We are by no means even close to adulthood in our knowledge yet. Be patient, the lessons are there, we will learn them.

We ARE learning them.

I guess you will all have to forgive me for this little reality check but I don't understand how all these posts have come into being.

They are discussing, business owners, governments, workers, schools, college educations, government entitlements, MEDICAL INSURANCE COVERAGE!.

Can you all google "third world countries". take a day and sift through the horror that many millions of poeple face every singe day. Just one day out of your busy schedules, away from this forum where civility has all but lost hope of being reclaimed.

Just one day of research into what other people in the non-industrialized sectors must face every day.

Then consider that the philosophy I have suggested discussing concerns making life better for ALL of humanity, by cleaning up the gutters and the alley's and the hell holes that people are utterly trapped in.

You look at these people and their lives and consider your own, and then you tell me they are a burden, they don't want to learn, they are lazy.

Can any of you even consider the possiblity of extending a portion of what you have to help raise our fellow humans out of the oppression of the lives they live.

We were not discussing governments, not yet, we were not discussing god, but if there is a discussion of the godly then I might ask, how much is SPENT each year on missions and bibles to teach THE WORD to these very same people.

Forget your god-ery and consider humanity, forget you comfortable existence of "necessary" creature comforts and consider the only piece of clothing some people have is a loin cloth (underwear).

Asking for a philisophical discussion is apparently too rigerous a mental function for those who have more than enough education to know, that the whole world lives just like Americans.....

I apologize for my lack of empathy at the ignorance I have seen, but considering all the science and religious beliefs we have bantered about, I felt the level of intelligence here was capable of something more. If you would all like to get back on track, here is all I'm asking.

What do you think are the oppressive forces that keep whole countries in the depths of the worst kind of poverty?

Answer that and we can begin anew.

Greedy self serving (dare I say evil?) men who seek to own and control the world and all its wealth.

(I'de say aliens but people just laugh at me. Besides, you can't tell the aliens from the humans anymore anyway.)

JB

You can't discuss this topic without discussing the govts. that are doing the oppressing.

As I originally posted...people will find each other naturally & evolve alot better WITHOUT govt. help. All govt. interferance does is make people more dependant....on govt. that is.

You will not solve the problems of poverty until you solve the problem of thug govts. Do you have that resolve or not is more the question????

From all the Bush bashing & cries to get out of Iraq I don't think libs have the stomach for freedom fighting...so what's left besides hot air?

I don’t have any definitive answers for you Redy I’m sorry. I will tell you I’m not a big fan of the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and The World Bank. I feel these organizations can be VERY dangerous when they become involved in third world countries and "assisting" them with these various development projects. There are also concerns that the World Bank working in partnership with the private sector may undermine the role of the state as the primary provider of essential goods and services, such as healthcare and education, resulting in the shortfall of such services in countries badly in need of them. I don’t know though.

34) Outside of keeping the body sound, competitive sports are an unnecessary and destructive force upon society. They build class divisions, false pride, false accomplishments, give false hope, and breed at the same time both success and failure of something that should not even play apart in a society that is already in decline and has no need to worship or idolize fleeting and meaningless achievements that in the long run will only matter to the present audience - that has raised the participants up to a level of worship that no one or thing deserves. A perfect example of why and what we are and why the people of this country as well as others are in the state and condition they are in. Wake up people, competition is destructive, it is a strong reason why we are in the decline we are in. It is the I am better than you syndrome we all suffer from and it is destroying us, dividing us, and ruling over an otherwise relatively sane world society.

35) It was never the intent of this nations founding fathers to have giant corporations, lawyers or legal monopolies running this country. That is like a farmer putting foxes or wolves in charge to watch over the farm animals. They would continue to devour the rights and liberties we had and leave nothing but bones in their wake if that. And that is exactly what is happening.



18) A people or nation, no matter how wealthy, cannot take care of the worlds hurting masses. Nor will it really know how to until it can properly take care of It’s own hurting masses. When “ALL” of ones own nation are being well fed, dressed, housed, educated, and kept healthy, safe, and employed making an adequate income to meet all their needs, then it will be so clear as to how the rest of the world can be helped to bring them to the same point. Until then, we will all suffer needlessly.


SQP Book of truths (C) 1996

Amen to that.


I agree.





Yep. I think it is useless to try to solve the whole world's problems. People can only do what they can do within their own circles.

The poor don't need charity, they need hope. They need inspiration. They can thrive if governments and evil men stop trying to reduce the population of the earth and stop engaging in war for the sake of profit.

Giving to organizations that claim to help the poor is useless if the in the end the help is confiscated by armed bandits and oppressive governments just as FEMA prevented people from bringing aid into the people held captive in the stadium in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina .. with no food or water.

Something is wrong with that picture. Very wrong.

JB

now, how do we get 6 billion other people to see it G,?

amen to that sister - i lost all i had in a hurricane - i know how it is to be ok one day and poverty striken the next, not a pleasent place to be in.

So from all your posts this is what I’ve put together.

Oppressors of people:

1. Money hungry evil men who want to control the world and its wealth
2. Governments who are oppressing their own people
3. The World Banks & International Monetary Funds and those who seek to share in that power
4. Competition - in those countries where competition benefits and gratifies a sole individual there, is no incentive to extend relieve in any way to those in the greatest of need.
5. Engaging in war for the sake of profit
6. Organizations that are deceitful and would take money that never reached its promised destination.

I’ll add a some of my own.

Oppressors of people:

Lack of shelter
Lack of medical care
Lack of food
Lack of clean water
Lack of education
Lack of resources from which to come by all the above

So now we have a list of oppressors. One is a list of needs that would relieve the oppression, the other is more likely a list of obstacles that stop the flow of resources. Am I correct? Is that what you all see?

If you agree, the next questions are philosophical

Do you think there is an inherent quality in humans that make us care about the quality of life of other humans?
Do you think there is any course of action we should be taking to reduce the oppression of others?
How far do you think the average person would go to relieve the suffering of others in another country? In their own country?

Do you believe that all humans have the same free will to make their life better?
Or are some denied free will due to the circumstance of their birth or their environment?

If you believe we have free will and you believe people are suffering needlessly due to the oppression of others or the lack of natural resources, what then can be done with our own free will, to assist the relief efforts?

NOTE: The above mention of free will is in no way meant to be affiliated with any religious beliefs. Please do not answer from that perspective, lest we end up oppressing each other on this thread…..

If you agree, the next questions are philosophical

Do you think there is an inherent quality in humans that make us care about the quality of life of other humans?

Tribo:

Yes, but as you can see from even the responses in this post of yours, that it varies quite a bit.
I believe that mankind responds to catastrophy very well as to meeting needs if they are made aware of them. But on every day ongoing issues not so well. "out of site out of mind mentality in a to busy to stop to smell the roses nation.
But i do believe that man is capable of rising to the occasion - just not able to maintain it for the long haul. when things are back to normal so to say, he returns to his less than high moral stance. Not because he does not care but because he feels he's done all he can for the situation at hand. I'll adress the rst of your Q's tomorrow R, thnx

The Rule of Fives states that all things happen in fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of five, or are somehow directly or indirectly related to five. The Rule of Fives is never wrong.

Capitalism has dug this country into a hole. Too much stuff. I am a Marxist Socialist, believeing that a country that could pull off Marxist Socialism would thrive-HOWEVER-we have never seen that happen. Karl Marx himself said it was theoretical and warned no country in upheaval should attempt socialism. But this doesn't matter, because everyone is so wired to capitalism, it is impossible to think people will be able to step back.

it is if your living by the rules of 3

I will have to disagree.

The "lack" of something is not an oppressor.

There is no lack.

The universe is infinitely abundant.
If you understood the law of attraction and the creative techniques you would understand this.

If you think of lack, visualize lack, complain about lack, focus on lack, fear lack, then you perpetuate and manifest the idea of lack, hence you attract that situation into your reality.

You pray for lack, and you create lack in your mind and that is collected and received by the thinking stuff of the universal mind and lack of that thing becomes reality for those who believe it.


JB

In the list of oppressors you have left out the individual philosophies that have people believing they themselves will never see a "poor" day, or they are of the "chosen" few and so sorry to the rest or they blame everyone and everything else with no positive or constructive effect, etc... These individual beliefs are oppressive first to the individual who thinks it, although they usually cannot see it and it affects their ability for empathy for others.

Empathy means to try to view the world from anothers point of view and feel how they would, could, might feel, for those who do not know or confuse it with sympathy which is feeling sorry for others with no consideration of what they feel or their life.

Point here is without empathy none of what you are attempting to do is possible.

I agree identifying the oppressors is paramount but we must start small. Neighborhoods, communities first and then spread it world wide. Identify oppressors, eliminate their power and then build from there.

To attempt to attack the world's poverty and disadvantages covers many stages with many different avenues and obstructions. Or at least that is my thoughts on it.

I agree start at home and when home is right, then the neighborhood, then the town, city,state etc. until such time as you can move on to other countries in a way that will be long term and worthwhile, you cannot takle it all at once though i sure wish you could. i donot like to think of children and people starving when i see the waste of food here. childrens needs affect me the most!