I believe the articles I shared earlier also mention this...and that is, there were Fossilized bones of Homo Sapiens found ,mixed with Neantherthal's fossilized bones...what was determined was that these fossilized bones had been buried in layers of mud....which most likely was due to the great flood in Noah's time.

This is Proof, that neanderthal man and homo sapien's, lived at the same time...and the only difference between the two are..... some were much younger peope living at the time of the flood,and some were much much older people living at the time of the flood , who had already lived to a ripe old age of almost 900 years .....which was NORMAL at that time!!

And surely, it doesn't take a lot to figure out ...that an almost 900, or even a 800 or 700 or 600 or 500 or 400 year old man , will surely have some physiological changes in his body...DUE TO AGE!!

It makes perfect sense... here we have fossils of almost 900 year old men( 900 years old man will surely have had some changed bone structure too,due to AGE... which as already mentioned before, bone structural change has been proven to come with age .

Now, Mix almost 900 year old man's fossils with the fossils of the "not so old man"( who will have similar bone structure to man today......simply because he do not live to be 900 years old yet )....and the reason the fossils bones are found together in the first place, is due to the Great Flood.... and well......honestly, it all makes sense.

If one believes in God's Word...and therefore believes that the flood DID take place.... well then, that explains the neanderthal's fossil bones found with homo sapien man's fossil bones.

And these fossils could only form in the first place , due to being buried in layers of Mud back then.

And what caused these men to be buried together under layers of Mud?

The..Great..Flood..of...Noah's ...Day.

Beachbum - one of the problems is that there are now so many break-away denominations that it's hard to track them all. Most of them I would think, are Young Earthers (and therefore also creationists).

I would expect that Methodists, Unitarians, and Presbytarians would be more in line with teaching the Bible as a philosophical reference, and letting science reveal the truth about the natural world - same with the "mega-churches".

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Kind of an interesting gauge for your thinking; but at the end it details a very wide range of religions and sub-denominations. It will tell what the official doctrine is for each.

3,500,000 BC Approximate human origin
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|-- 300,000 BC Some evidence of counting (notches in animal bone)
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|-- 250,000 BC Oldest surviving wood tool
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|-- 100,000 BC Neanderthal culture in Asia, Africa & Europe
| Using fire for cooking, protection and warmth
| Stone tools
| Storage pits for food1
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|--- 40,000 BC First people settle in Greece
| Hunters and food gatherers2
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|--- 35,000 BC Neanderthal culture disappearing
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| Cro-Magnon culture developing
| Sewing needles made from bone
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| Migration of the first Americans across
| the Bering Strait
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|--- 20,000 BC Bow and arrow developed (by Cro-Magnon people)
| Ice Age - In some areas the glacial ice was 2 miles thick!
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|--- 10,000 BC End of last Ice Age
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|--- 8,000 BC Earliest Domestication of animals
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|--- 7,000 BC Agriculture begins in the Americas
| Pottery in use
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|---- 4000 BC Solid wheels used on carts
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| People Along the Nile starting to build canals to
| control flooding and provide irrigation
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|---- 3500 BC Potter's wheel in use
| Sumerians Develop cuneiform writing
| Egyptians develop hieroglyphic writing
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|---- 3100 BC Rice domesticated in the region of the Yangtze River
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| Egyptian civilization arose in Nile Valley
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Can you point out on this time line where the "younger humans" fall into place? Thanks.

Note:
ADAPTION can also be referred to as , "evolving WITHIN ones Species"...but ADAPTION is DEFINITELY NOT THE SAME AS, evolving into a whole OTHER species.

But Eljay, because you mentioned the bones are of the SAME species, I am sure ADAPTION is what you were referring to , in your post.


So do I detect some possible unrest and potential disagreement occurred here? Should we address this?

Well I am not asking that you support or agree with the evolutionary theory but merely that you demonstrate to us how these scientific discoveries are in fact, inaccurate. That's what I have been asking you to do for about three days now. So you have the dilemma of Neanderthal man's existence in these various museums throughout the world on display. This requires that you legitimately explain what he is. You claim homo sapien in some respect. Okay now this you can attempt to refute also because we do have his DNA on record. Several specimens have been collected that do fall within acceptable range for the recovery of mitochondrial DNA However before that is introduced, can you address any of these issues presented thus far?

Well - in my opinion the inaccuracy comes in the interpretation of time and cause. They are not innacuracies of the events themselves - but of the worldview perception of them. We know for a fact that the fossels exist - that is not in denial, it is a matter of what the fossels are telling us, and this is where the perceptions diverge greatly.

It is the fine line where theory becomes fact. There is no way to establish this through science because the past cannot be repeated to verify if either the theory of Evolution or Creation can be substanciated. So too - the method for assessing the true dates of things, because the method of determining time is through the process of measuring radiation, and this method has not existed long enough to make any definitive conclusion about what happened in the past because science cannot replicate the environmental circumstance to substanciae any rational claims beyond the present state of the atmostpheric information we have now. Certainly these theories may prove viable towards determining what to expect in the future, but thy hold no absolutes about what occured in the past. Man has no means of measuring anything that may or may not occured 1,000 years ago - let alone a billion. To many failed experiments on Carbon-14 dating has born this fact out. It is accurate to a point, but not reliable. Carbon-14 tests have been done on items, and animals that we know are contemporary - and have given evidence that they are thousands of years old.

We are still in the process of discovery on Isochronic aging - so, though scientists are excited about their discoveries, they are a little over-zealous about how factual they are beyond present observation. They have to be, else the money invested in their research would dry up. So - it is still a matter of subjective perception at best.

So - while the work being done with Mito-DNA is certainly facinating, it is being extrapolated into a system that remains theory at best in terms of Aging and cause. In the world of forensics - it is progressing by leaps and bounds.
In the realm of evolution - it remains waiting for the fossels that provide the evidence that there is evolving rom one species to another. What remains is that we still have the same fossels we had before DNA was discovered, and the continual findings have done no more to provide proof of inter-species evolution than it has since Darwin wrote his book.

Well - in my opinion the inaccuracy comes in the interpretation of time and cause. They are not innacuracies of the events themselves - but of the worldview perception of them. We know for a fact that the fossels exist - that is not in denial, it is a matter of what the fossels are telling us, and this is where the perceptions diverge greatly.

It is the fine line where theory becomes fact. There is no way to establish this through science because the past cannot be repeated to verify if either the theory of Evolution or Creation can be substanciated. So too - the method for assessing the true dates of things, because the method of determining time is through the process of measuring radiation, and this method has not existed long enough to make any definitive conclusion about what happened in the past because science cannot replicate the environmental circumstance to substanciae any rational claims beyond the present state of the atmostpheric information we have now. Certainly these theories may prove viable towards determining what to expect in the future, but thy hold no absolutes about what occured in the past. Man has no means of measuring anything that may or may not occured 1,000 years ago - let alone a billion. To many failed experiments on Carbon-14 dating has born this fact out. It is accurate to a point, but not reliable. Carbon-14 tests have been done on items, and animals that we know are contemporary - and have given evidence that they are thousands of years old.

We are still in the process of discovery on Isochronic aging - so, though scientists are excited about their discoveries, they are a little over-zealous about how factual they are beyond present observation. They have to be, else the money invested in their research would dry up. So - it is still a matter of subjective perception at best.

So - while the work being done with Mito-DNA is certainly facinating, it is being extrapolated into a system that remains theory at best in terms of Aging and cause. In the world of forensics - it is progressing by leaps and bounds.
In the realm of evolution - it remains waiting for the fossels that provide the evidence that there is evolving rom one species to another. What remains is that we still have the same fossels we had before DNA was discovered, and the continual findings have done no more to provide proof of inter-species evolution than it has since Darwin wrote his book.

NO SPECULATION - JUST THE FACTS ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE.

COULD DINOSAURS AND HUMANS HAVE COEXISTED?

SURELY DINOSAURS PROVE EVOLUTION TOOK PLACE?


DINOSAURS: THE FANTASY.

Dinosaurs fascinate everyone. It's probably the thought of these huge creatures, some larger than a London double deck bus, roaming around the streets where we live. It seems unbelievable but it did happen. Some of them would have munched their way through your vegetable garden with one mouthful.

Evolutionists tell us constantly that these creatures died out 60 or 70 million years ago. School children are told that dinosaurs are proof of evolution and that the earth is millions of years old. Some time ago I watched the young grandson of a friend playing with a plastic dinosaur and he went on to explain to me that; "It died 60 million years ago." What rubbish! We have all heard many THEORIES as to how they died out and I list just eleven here:

1. Dinosaurs lost their sex drive and failed to reproduce enough offspring.

2. They were plagued with cataracts and went blind.

3. The carnivores ate the herbivores and then ate each other.

4. Dinosaur AIDS, due to their uncontrolled promiscuity, wiped them all out.

5. They were wiped out by food poisoning.

6. Great competition from other mammals meant they could not compete and they died out.

7. A great burst of radiation from two neutron stars hitting our galaxy killed them.

8. Caterpillars ate up their food and their eggs.

9. Volcanic activity killed them.

10. Slipped discs wiped them out.

11. Wiped out through stupidity.

Well, looking at that list I don't think it's the dinosaurs that are stupid - do you?! I remind you the evolutionists latest theory as to what wiped out the dinosaurs is that a massive asteroid hit the earth and killed them. They have discovered "evidence" of this in the Gulf of Mexico. He says this is the "smoking gun". "It is proof positive of the impact." Actually it proves nothing. Any school child can tell you the earth has often been bombarded with asteroids - so what? So they've found evidence of one of them but it doesn't mean it killed the dinosaurs. Previous evidence from sediment suggests that the dinosaurs did not become extinct at exactly the same time as the impact occurred." Oh, well, that's another theory blown!

Yet the Bible is quite clear as to what wiped out the dinosaurs and the evidence backs it up. Let's look at facts.

DINOSAURS: THE FACTS.

Any reference to the name "dinosaur" will only be from the 19th century onwards. Any reference to them before this we have to look to description or illustration. "Dinosaur" means "terrible lizard" and was the name given to these strange creatures on "discovery" at the end of the 18th century.

Maestricht in Holland is famous these days for turning the EC into the EU but in 1780 it was famous for the discovery of the skull of a Mosasaurus found in an underground cavern. In 1810 Mary Anning discovered a complete skeleton of an Ichthyosaurus in the cliffs at Lyme Regis. Again in 1824 she found the skeleton of a Plesiossaurus in the same place. In 1828 this same lady discovered the Pterodactyl again in these dourset cliffs. Mary Ann Mantell also made similar discoveries. Thirty years later one was found in New Jersey. Since then many discoveries have been made.

What does this hard evidence tell us? That according to evolutionists, these huge monsters they named dinosaurs were not known to man before 1780. It is important to note that evolutionist’s claim this was the first known knowledge of dinosaurs. They claim that before this they died out 60 million years ago. To put it another way; Evolutionists claim no person living between 60 million years ago and 1780 AD could possibly have known they existed or what they looked like - agreed? Yet there is a wealth of evidence to show that dinosaurs coexisted with people (although they were not yet named dinosaurs, of course.)

DINOSAURS IN THE CATHEDRAL! Put away all preconceived ideas. In 1994 I had written something for the local paper, "The Cumberland News" about dinosaurs. Shortly afterwards I received a telephone call from Mr. Ray Hancock, a guide in Carlisle Cathedral. Would I come and look at some dinosaurs on Bishop Bell's tomb? They were puzzled by them. Bishop Bell's tomb is located in the central isle of the Carlisle Cathedral under a carpet square placed over it in 1992 for protection. The carpet is loose but now alas, they can only be viewed after obtaining permission from the Dean in writing. You will see around the edge on the brass engravings of dinosaurs.

Now the important thing here is that no one disputes that Bishop Bell died in 1496 and that he was put down in his tomb and sealed with brass which was then engraved. No one disputes the engravings were made in 1496, it is a matter of Carlisle Cathedral record. The engravings obviously represent things that were important to Bishop Bell during his lifetime, for example a hunting dog, foliage of various kinds and three different kinds of dinosaurs. Two of one of the kinds involved are pictured as if doing some courting or perhaps fighting. Either way there is simply no mistaking they are dinosaurs and were obviously quite familiar to Bishop Bell during his life time!

The obvious question evolutionists have to answer is: How can this be? No one knew about dinosaurs then - or did they?

Color photograph of dinosaur etchings in Carlisle Cathedral

Dinosaurs in Carlisle Cathedral

in 1496.


THE OLDEST REFERENCES TO DINOSAUR TYPE CREATURES:

The are many references to unnamed dinosaurs. The oldest as far as I know is in the Bible. The Book of Job tells of a period around 2,200 BC when people lived much longer than we do now as this was only 300 years after the flood of Noah's time. In chapter 40 verse 15 through to the end of chapter 41 various references are made to strange creatures.

The "Behemoth" is described as feeding on grass like an ox. It is obviously a very large creature because God here is describing it's powerful muscles and strength. It's tail sways like a cedar! A cedar is a very big tree and when it sways in the wind it gives us a picture of what it's tail must have been like. What size of animal could have supported a tail the size of a cedar tree?

They obviously lived in rivers to support their weight as some dinosaurs did. Obviously the River Jordan in full flood could not move it or make it feel insecure. God describes it's power and size, then asks: Can anyone trap it and pierce it's nose (like a bull presumably)? Obviously is this context the idea is absurd!

The second reference is to the "Leviathan". In the context of this passage God is poking a little gentle fun at Job, together with a sense of the ridiculous. He is referring to this creature saying it is so big and strong and it's hide so thick that harpoons and spears cannot pierce it. It's neck is so strong it dismays anyone in front of it. It's chest is as hard as a rock or a millstone. It's flesh is immovable. If you could get near it with a sword it would have no effect. It is so strong it treats iron like straw and bronze like rotten wood. Nothing on earth is it's equal. It is totally without fear.

With a sense of the ridiculous God asks Job if he would pull it in with a fish hook or tie it's tongue with a rope? Would he put a cord through it's nose? Will it beg Job for mercy? Will it speak to him with gentle mercy? Will it become a slave for him? Can he make of it a pet? Can he put it on a leash for his daughters to take for a walk? Can he put a bridle on it? The creature has got fearsome teeth and it's back topped with rows of shields. When it rises up the mighty are terrified, as it is so big it looks down on everyone.

However, as those strange people say across the pond; "You ain't seen nothing yet!":

In chapter 41 verses 18 to 21 God says it's snorting throws out flashes of light! Firebrands stream from it's mouth! Sparks of fire shoot out! Smoke pours from it's nostrils as a pot on the boil! If you're still in doubt He goes on; It's breath sets coals ablaze! Flames dart from it's mouth!

Can this be what we would call a dragon? - I hear you cry. Of course - what else could it be? Legends start somewhere. If you'll pardon the pun - there's no smoke without fire! This is a description of a dragon written all those years ago. There are many legends of dragons all over the world from China to Wales.

Dragons have been portrayed as mythical creatures through ignorance. Hosea 4:6 does say; "My people perish through lack of knowledge."

Is it possible for a creature to breathe out fire or smoke from it's nostrils? Let us see.

The Bombardier Beetle (Brachinus) is only a centimeter long and it can explode a jet of hot, noxious fumes at it's enemies from it's back end. Now don't laugh - it is perfectly true and I'm quite serious. I am indebted to Doctor David Rosevear, Chairman of the Creation Science Movement for this information.

This is made possible by a mixture of chemicals that can be reacted at will. These are mainly substituted hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide, which Doctor Rosevear says, is probably made from quinine derivative by the beetle. The rate of reaction between these chemicals is increased to explosive speed by the addition of two enzymes which act as catalysts. He tells us these are incredibly complex molecules, whose shape and activity are such that they hold the hydroquinine and the peroxide together and encourage them to react.

For the chemists amongst you who want to know the exact details I quote Doctor Rosevear word for word: "One enzyme is a cattalos, which decomposes the peroxide very rapidly without itself being decomposed. The other enzyme is a peroxides, which oxidizes the hydroquinines to noxious quinones. The beetle secretes hydroquinone, tolylhydroquinines and hydrogen peroxide solutions into a reservoir. When danger threatens a charge of chemicals is passed from the reservoir through a muscular valve a horny chamber at the back of the beetle. Enzymes cause the reaction to proceed at an explosive rate with a sharp sound like the crack of a pistol. The pressure of oxygen gas formed shoots a hot, smelly, bluish vapor of quinones out through two nozzles behind the insect."

There you have it - the Bombardier Beetle, alive today and doing what the Bible tells us dragon like creatures were doing long ago. If you got in the way of the beetle it would turn your skin white and burn you. Yet it does not burn the beetle itself. This is a creature that could not possibly have evolved when you think about it.

Evolutionists tell us this beetle evolved through a series of mutations but as we have seen, mutations are not beneficial. It could not have evolved gradually, could it? Until this complicated design was perfected it would not function and therefore not be beneficial to it. Indeed, it would be a disadvantage to it so according to Darwin it would not have been naturally selected. Without this perfect system it would be very dodgy for the beetle and it would be a common sight to see these beetles with their back ends blown off! This would have been a definite disadvantage to the beetle! I assume it would have been naturally rejected. Hoist by your own petard, Mr. Darwin.

We now have to ask ourselves if there are any dinosaurs so far discovered that has suitable cavities in their skulls with a similar pattern to the Bombardier Beetle? If such cavities exist it shows dragon type creature could have existed in Job's time - agreed? I know you're not going to be surprised when I say this:

Yes there are dinosaurs that have this cavity. Corythosaurus, Lambbeosaurus and Parasaurolophus all have this cavity and could have been able to fire hot gases from their nostrils. Dragons did exist after all!

In the Bible dragons were not known by their recently invented names or as dragons but by the name "Leviathan".


THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE:

Doctor Dmitri Kouznetsov is an award winning Russian scientist who has three earned doctorates, founded the group called the Moscow Creation Science Fellowship. This is a body of 120 Russian scientists who believe in the Bible and that the earth was created no more than a few thousand years ago.

To be sure he had the bones checked by Arizona State University who did not know they were dinosaur remains and they confirm not more than 25,000 years. Doctor Ivanov has got the dinosaur time scale down to very near the Biblical time scale. The result was that he became a Christian.

Recently "prehistoric trees" were discovered only 100 miles from Sidney, Australia. The reporter on Radio 4 said it was as important as discovering fresh dinosaur eggs in the trees were thought to have died out 60 million years ago.

If this is true it throws the whole of evolutionary theory into chaos. Why then, have we heard no more about it?

If we could only discover fresh (unmineralized) dinosaur bones...I hear you cry!

We have! Fresh, that is unmineralized (i.e., not fossilized) a petroleum geologist working in northwestern Alaska discovered dinosaur bones in 1961. He thought they were bison bones. In 1981 geologists realized they were those of the duck billed dinosaur. Many other dinosaur bones were discovered at the same site [49].

Scientists from the Universities of California and Alaska discovered more bones and a buried forest of giant redwood trees in the Canadian arctic! The wood could be fashioned, sewn and burned. These trees and dinosaur bones were supposed to be 65 million years old according to the theory of evolution.

What a problem they had. How could these bones have remained fresh for 65 million years? It was not the cold that preserved them because dinosaurs lived in warm climes. They reported that: "Walking amongst the ancient stumps and logs it is easy to let the imagination erase tens of millions of years, to step over not fossil but freshly fallen trunks."[50]

Well really! Why not just admit they are not tens of millions of years old but only a few thousand. Well, they can't do that - they would have to believe in God!

AS WITH SO MUCH EVIDENCE DISCUSSED, THIS EVIDENCE DESTROYS DARWIN'S THEORY OF EVOLUTION. It's evidence that has been ignored and we hear nothing of it now.


DID HUMANS REALLY MEET DINOSAURS? DO THEY EXIST TODAY?

Bill Cooper has dug up some interesting legends. It certainly looks like we have coexisted throughout most of history with dinosaurs. In Canterbury Cathedral there is a chronicle which tells that on Friday, 16th September 1449 (when Bishop Bell was alive in Carlisle - remember?) A fight took place near the village of Little Conrad on the Suffolk-Essex border. It was between two giant reptiles in a field which is still called Sharpfight Meadow.

At the church at Breedon-on-the-Hill on the A453, Nottingham-Ashby-De-La-Zouch road in Leicestershire, carvings can be seen of dinosaur like monsters.

The so-called Loch Ness Monster has been in the news over the years. From time to time. Many sightings have been made, many of these just wishful thinking I'm sure. Undoubtedly many photographs are frauds but some clearly are not:

Doctor Rines has photographed a Plesiosaur, flipper and head, using a sonar camera and flood lights. These creatures have long necks and are about 23 feet long. The naturalist Peter Scott has painted impressions of these photographs and assured the scientific world these monsters do exist. Roger Parker from St. Austell photographed 25 or 30 of these creatures. Why don't we see these creatures swimming around on Loch Ness daily? I've been there many times and seen nothing. The truth is, of course, one has to be there moving around the area all the time to see such things. In the beautiful border country in southern Scotland is a wonderful area for wild life. Red squirrels, badgers, deer, over 60 variants of birds, some very rare, all normally abound here. We used to see them frequently because we were there on the spot. Their Red Squirrels are more common than rabbits. Yet if you came to visit the area you could well be disappointed because you wouldn't be here long enough to see such things. Loch Ness is almost 25 miles long, over a mile wide and 1000 feet deep and experts suspect there is also an underground outlet to the sea. All this may have something to do with it.

On 10th April 1977 some Japanese fishermen hauled up a dead Plesiosaur from 900 feet of the coast of North Island, New Zealand. They photographed it and through it back because it was smelly and rotting and it was likely to contaminate their fish catch. However, the photograph became part of a Japanese postage stamp.

In 1915 the German U-boat U28 sighted a huge creature rather like a Plesiosaur as they sank the British ship SS Iberian. Herr-Commander George Gunter Freiherr von Forstner described it in his ships log that it was 60 feet long with webbed feet and crocodillian in type.

Evolutionists tell us dinosaurs died out 60 million years ago before man existed. If this is the case why do we find cave drawings and rock carvings of dinosaurs, footprints of man and dinosaurs from the same rock strata? Many of these can be found in the Grand Canyon, Colorado, Glen Rose, Texas and Hava Super River Gorge.

Mordividus, king of ancient Britons from whom today's Welsh are descended, whose name would appear as Morydd in the Welsh Chronicles, was killed and eaten by a large reptilian monster in 336 BC. Geoffrey of Monmouth translated the account into Latin giving the monster it's Latin name of Belua. The account says it gulped down the body of Morvidus as a big fish swallows a little one.

The Welsh have many accounts of dinosaur type monsters. These are often referred to as the AFANC and the CARROG. The Afanc was around until quite recently and is remembered in the place names of Bedd-yr-Afanc near Brynberian, Dyfed. Another is near where I used to live above Bettws-y-Coed at a place called Llyn-yr-Afanc. The Afanc was killed by Edward Llwyd in 1693. The Carrog is remembered at Dol-y-Carrog in the Vale of Conwy and at Carrog near Corwen.

There are so many other accounts of dinosaur type monsters causing problems. Some of these places are Lyminister, Deerhurst, Lanbton (the well known Lambton Worm legend in the north east of England), Christchurch, Slingsby, Sockburn, Wantley, Bisterne, Brent Pelham, Little Conrad, Spindlestone Heughs, Wissington and Wormiston.

It is well known that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and his wife saw a plesiosaur off one of the Greek islands in 1928. Others have reported seeing a dinosaur type monster in Australia and in Zimbabwe and one 20 feet long "dragon" in Indonesia. In the swamps of the River Congo in Africa the natives say there lives Mokele-Mbembe but there description of this monster resembles a dinosaur.

Many world wide sightings of dinosaurs have been reported throughout history. The Sioux Indians are said to have once found a dead Pterandodon. In 1649 a "large flying reptile" was seen at Mount Pilatus in Switzerland. Alexander the Great saw several dinosaurs in India. The last of many Triceratops was killed at Nerluc, France. Herodatus saw flying Rhamphorynchus in Egypt. At Bolognia in May 1572 Ulysses Aldrovandrus describes the death of what is reputed to be the last Tanystrophimus in Italy.

In 1887 Herr Professor Robert Koldeway discovered the gates of the ancient Biblical city of Babylon. He found carvings of dragons (amongst other things) built into the walls. These were found elsewhere in the city. It is said that they actually kept a dragon in their temple and worshipped it but it was killed by the prophet Daniel, according to legend.

There are many more stories, legends and factual accounts too numerous just to be dismissed. I suggest you investigate these yourself. To start you off I list some publications for you to read. You can also visit sites yourself. Most of this man and dinosaurs has been taken from the writings of Dr. W. R. Cooper but I also recommend the following reading:

"The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible." Paul Taylor.

"Dinosaurs - Those Terrible Lizards." Dr. Duane Gish.

"Monsters and Men." Brian Newton, Dunstone Printers.

"The Great Dinosaur Mistake." Kelly Segraves, Beta Books.

"Tracking Those Incredible Dinosaurs." John D. Morris, Bethany House.

"Dry Bones and Other Fossils." Gary E. Parker, Creation Life.

THE EPIC POEM "BEOWULF".

In the wise words of the song; "Nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could..." (a less evolutionists have not learned.) Legends do not appear from nowhere. Trace back to the root and you will find the cause. The epic poem "Beowulf" is arguably the most remarkable and graphic of them all. There are many Nordic Sagas describing the giant reptiles encountered in northern Europe by the Danes and Saxons. These accounts go into great detail in places. In the Volsunga Saga the monster Fafnir was killed by Sigurd digging a pit and hiding in it. There he waited for the monster to pass over head to go for water and then attacked it's soft underbelly. It is obvious from this that the monster walked on all four legs and was close to the ground.

Bill Cooper has made a study of the Beowulf poem and it is clear it provides invaluable descriptions of the huge reptiles that roamed Denmark around the 6th century AD. He tells us that Beowulf is a historical figure who became a seasoned "dinosaur" hunter. He was famous for clearing certain areas and even sea lanes of these monsters. This poem preserves for us the physical descriptions of the animals and the names by which they were known to Saxons and Danes some 1,400 years ago.

The poem is clearly pre Christian. Mention is certainly made of God, creation and Cain but these are commonly found in ancient genealogies and other pagan records of the Saxons. No mention is made of Jesus or any Christian event.

Beowulf was born in 495 AD and at the age of 7 he was brought to the court of his grandfather Hrethel, King of Geatingas, a tribe who inhabited southern Sweden. The Geatish-Swedish wars took place during his youth. He then visited Hrothgar, King of the Danes in 515 AD during which time he slew the monster Grendel, as we shall see. He returned to his now uncles kingdom in 521 AD whose later death he avenged by slaying Daegrefn. He was invited to succeed his uncle but instead acted as regent to the young king Heardred during his minority. However, Heardred was killed by the Swedes in 533 AD and Beowulf became King of the Geatingas. He became a famous king reigning for 50 years until 583 AD aged 88 years.

What I am saying here is that these are real people and real events recorded in history. The references to monsters are part of the people and those events.

In line 1345 of the poem, Hrothgar tells how his people have seen two monsters haunting the moors. They describe them as bipedal and much larger than humans. One is a young male, Grendel and the other an older female, his mother. At line 1425 Beowulf follows their tracks back to their lair. His men can see other sea monsters swimming and swerving in the lake. They call them sea dragons. They are described as wreaking havoc in the lanes where the ships sail. These creatures are portrayed as figureheads on Saxon and Danish ships of old, says Bill Cooper.

THE NAME "GRENDEL" probably comes from the old Norse name "Grindill" meaning "storm" or "Grenja" meaning "bellow". It's reasonable to suppose "Grendel" is a descriptive name for something that growls, perhaps a deep throated growl. It was clearly not the pet name for one of these creatures but the name of the species in general. It is interesting to note that in an Anglo-Saxon charter from King Athelstan's time, dated 931 AD, we read of a "Grendels- mere" (a lake where such animals live) in Wiltshire. It is also found in place names in northern Europe, in Alpine regions such as, "Grindelwald". In middle ages English "Grindel" meant "angry".

THE WICKEDNESS OF GRENDEL is described in the poem. He filled with terror the people on whom he preyed. He was a demon who was "Synnum beswenched" (aflicted with sins). He was "godes ansaca" (God's adversary). He was the "synsscatha" (evil doer). The "wonsaeli" (damned). A "feond on helle" (fiend from hell). He was from the race of the "grund-wyrgen" (monsters descended from Cain). These people did not imagine Grendel, they held him in sheer terror, sheer horror!

THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION OF GRENDEL and habits are also contained in the poem. He was a youngster having preyed on the Danes for 12 years before Beowulf heard of him. He was bipedal, standing upright like a man. His two small forelimbs the Saxons called, "eorms" (arms). Beowulf tore off one of these. The monster slew with his mouth or jaws, a "muthbona". He devoured his human prey with great speed, therefore his jaws must have been large and powerful, perhaps like a crocodile. Beowulf knew his hide was too tough for him to use his sword and therefore went for it's weakest point, it's forelimb and tore it off. Grendel is described as the "Aeglaeca" (ugly one), "atol aegegea" (terrifying solitary one). He was the "mearcestapa" - the march stepper or the one who stalked the marches or boundaries. He was the "sceadugenga" the shadow goer that descended on his prey at night when they were asleep. He came down from the "mistige moras" (misty moors) as the "deathscua" (shadow of death). They employed a "eotanweard" (a watcher for giants) who was often surprised himself and eaten.

The Iguanoden and the Tyrannosaurs both fit this description yet they were only "discovered" in the mid 19th century and given these modern names. According to evolutionists, Beowulf could not possibly have slain such a beast as they did not exist. What do you think? If you're still in doubt take a look at Bishop Bell's tomb in Carlisle Cathedral as mentioned earlier.

Many other monsters have been recorded too numerous to detail. They lived in a large swamp or lake and called "wyrmcynnes" (a worm kind of monster). There were "saedracon" (sea dragons), "niceras" (water monsters), "wyrmas" (giant serpents), "wildeor" (wild beasts), "ythgewinnes" (wave thrashers).

Beowulf was killed aged 88 slaying a reptile they called a "Widfloga" (wideflyer) having a wing span of about 50 feet and living to about 300 years old. Reptiles live to a great age. This description fits the giant Pteranoden.

THE EVIDENCE TELLS US DINOSAURS WERE AROUND UNTIL QUITE RECENTLY. To the open minded this is the only conclusion to which we can come. These terrible lizards were called other names in history whether that name be "Leviathan" or "Grendel" or any other, the illustrations and descriptions are the same. We have even seen is quite likely fire breathing dragons existed. We have seen the dating of dinosaur remains is untrustworthy and that even unfossilised remains have been found. Traditions and legends also show of recent existence of dinosaurs. It is difficult to see what other proof is needed but if you don't believe in God it is difficult to accept the evidence. Instead of dinosaurs proving evolution took place, they prove quite the opposite. As we shall see, the Bible's explanation as to what killed most but not all of the dinosaurs is backed up by the evidence.


MAMMOTH.

Although not a dinosaur before we leave this subject we must see what the Mammoth can tell us about whether evolution or creation took place. There are many theories as to when these "giant elephants" became extinct, some theories as late as 40,000 years ago, others much earlier.

Many Mammoths have been discovered in the northern regions of the earth, still preserved and frozen in the ice in Canada and Siberia. What on earth were they doing there? They needed 180kg of vegetation each day to stay alive so they could not possibly have lived in the arctic regions, could they? - Yet there they are freshly frozen as perfect as your Sunday joint of meat, perfectly edible. They have been found whole, not decomposed, with a fresh meal in their stomachs. The Berescovka Mammoth, housed in the St. Petersburg Museum, 15kgs of half digested food was removed from it's stomach. Many other creatures alien to the arctic have been found frozen and complete such as Rhinoceroses, elephants, musk oxen and wild horses.

There can be only one conclusion draw from this, that the earths climate suddenly changes in a matter of a few hours. The evidence shows beyond any doubt that these animals were eating happily one minute and then engulfed in soil and quick frozen the next. They have remained in that state ever since. The contents of the mammoths stomach are now only found in mild climates in July. They could not possibly have lived where they have been found without a sudden climate change. Scientists tell us that from grazing on a summers day the mammoths would have experienced a sudden drop in temperature to at least -100 degrees C.

You see the evidence again points not to the slow uniformitarianism of the evolutionists but the devastating cataclysm of the Bible.