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Darwin going by an alias of Charles Dawson, so people would not suspect he was peer reviewing his own work, discovered Piltdown Man by taking a medieval skull combined with a lower jaw from an orang-utan and teeth from a chimpanzee and threw it into a pit his men where digging up. Darwin brought in a beer keg, and while his men were getting drunk he combined the bones together, stained them with chromic acid and an iron solution to simulate old age and tossed it into the pit and covered it up with dirt and rocks. Then when they wanted to do the carbon dating he smashed up some rocks and said they were fossilised bones from the skull and it made it look like it was millions of years old. Finally Darwin was able to get his research grants approved with this proof of a missing link. It was so successful that Darwin did the same things with Nebraska Man, Java Man, Ocre Man, and Neanderthals by mixing skulls of primates and other animals, as long as he smashed up rocks that were millions of years old, and call them fossil fragments he was able to fool the carbon dating tests. This set the standard for modern Evolutionary Scientists who now use particle accelerators to age fossils that they created out of clay to resemble real fossils, and the radiation speeds up the half-life of carbon atoms so they look like they are really old. Then just discredit other theories as pseudo-science, and launch smear campaigns against the scientists who support other theories to discredit and disprove them.
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No, not that we "evolved from apes". That’s a common misconception. Kind of like in the 60's when they had a lot of sci-fi movies depicting cave men running from dinosaurs and being eaten alive. No, that’s ridiculous. Basically what the primate evolutionary tree shows is that we shared a common ancestor BUT there was a distinct divergence. What would become "human" was defined as homo. What would later be primate went in another direction and is now what we know of as modern day apes and monkeys. Otherwise, where would the apes have gone if we simply "evolved" from them? It’s just a theory. A theory I personally buy into until I see something else that makes more sense. I respect if you have other views on it of course. Darwinism Proven False Around 2300 A.D. (also known as the 146th episode, Season 6, by Federation date) Captain Jean Luc Picard discovered that all humanoid life forms were created when a single proto-humanoid species dispersed their genes throughout the quadrant. Picard seemed to have suggested that all life came from Intelligent Design and not Evolution because the proto-humanoid species, called Thetans, were lead to various planets by Xenu and then carried off by spaceships that looked like DC8's but without the propellers, and placed on the top of volcanoes and nuclear bombs went off that murdered the Thetans but sent their spirits free. That on an archaeology find he happened to uncover a book called Dianetics and he read it, and it showed him the truth. Picard went on to say that he didn't believe in psychiatry either, and refused to take his medication. He professed his love for Dr. Beverly Crusher by jumping up and down on Deanna Troi's couch. This of course is considered normal behavior for 24th century Star Ship Captains, as Captain James T. Kirk used to do it all of the time. Of course there were critics who asked Picard questions, but Picard snapped back and said "You don't know the history of evolution or psychiatry, but I do." and then had his lawyers sue his critics for libel and slander. Proving once and for all that Darwin's works are bunk. This, of course, happened before they discovered The Borg, and Captain Picard was converted to Borgology later, but lucky for him Tom Cruise used his super powers to free him from The Borg and convert him back to Scientology. This particularly enraged Darwin the Romulans, the Cardassians, and Herr Hitler, who all considered themselves to be superior species. They consoled themselves in various ways. Darwin applied eugenics and neutered some Jews, Hitler gassed them, the Romulans banged up some Klingons, and the Cardassians polished their scales. They all felt much better. |
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Darwin going by an alias of Charles Dawson, so people would not suspect he was peer reviewing his own work, discovered Piltdown Man by taking a medieval skull combined with a lower jaw from an orang-utan and teeth from a chimpanzee and threw it into a pit his men where digging up. Darwin brought in a beer keg, and while his men were getting drunk he combined the bones together, stained them with chromic acid and an iron solution to simulate old age and tossed it into the pit and covered it up with dirt and rocks. Then when they wanted to do the carbon dating he smashed up some rocks and said they were fossilised bones from the skull and it made it look like it was millions of years old. Finally Darwin was able to get his research grants approved with this proof of a missing link. It was so successful that Darwin did the same things with Nebraska Man, Java Man, Ocre Man, and Neanderthals by mixing skulls of primates and other animals, as long as he smashed up rocks that were millions of years old, and call them fossil fragments he was able to fool the carbon dating tests. This set the standard for modern Evolutionary Scientists who now use particle accelerators to age fossils that they created out of clay to resemble real fossils, and the radiation speeds up the half-life of carbon atoms so they look like they are really old. Then just discredit other theories as pseudo-science, and launch smear campaigns against the scientists who support other theories to discredit and disprove them. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin there as a company that began laying fiber optic cables in major ateries in every large city in the country and grew. In SF, they could not get every strret and could not fend off competition, so they started hitting utilites as they dug and demanded the city put in stiffer measures to assure it doesn't continue. the stiffer measures cost the little guys too much money to do the job on contract. they soon gave up. this tactic spread. end of story. |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Okay since its obvious here the fundies have reached a new low and are simply posting a bunch of copy and pasted personal attacks on world renowned scientists and researchers who have contributed their lives to their prospective fields of study, why not give them some of their own medicine? Here ya go. I would much prefer to actually debate the issues and inconsistencies found within the bible as the OP intended instead of looking up scandals involving high profile fundamentalist religious leaders. False prophet, Jim Bakker, up first to bat.
Scandals PTL's fund raising activities between 1984–1987 underwent scrutiny by The Charlotte Observer newspaper, eventually leading to criminal charges against Jim Bakker. From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates sold $1,000 "lifetime memberships", which entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker sold more "exclusive partnerships" than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Bakker kept $3.4 million in bonuses for himself, along with the $279,000 payoff for the silence of Jessica Hahn, a Bakker staff member. Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL organization, allegedly kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities. Reporters from The Charlotte Observer, led by Charles Shepard, investigated and published a series of articles regarding the PTL organization's finances. On March 19, 1987, following the revelation of a payoff to Jessica Hahn, whom Bakker's staff members had paid $279,000 from PTL funds to keep secret her allegation that he had raped her, Bakker resigned from PTL. Bakker acknowledges he met Hahn at a hotel room in Clearwater Beach, Florida, but denies raping her. Following Bakker's resignation as PTL head, he was succeeded in late March, 1987, by Jerry Falwell. Later that summer, as donations sharply declined in the wake of Bakker's resignation and the end of the Bakkers' popular PTL Club TV show, Falwell raised $20 million to help keep the Heritage USA Theme Park solvent, including a well-publicized waterslide plunge there.. Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history." In 1988, Falwell said that the Bakker scandal had "strengthened broadcast evangelism and made Christianity stronger, more mature and more committed". Bakker's son, Jay, wrote in 2001 that the Bakkers felt betrayed by Falwell, whom they thought, at the time of Bakker's resignation, intended to help in Bakker's eventual restoration as head of the PTL ministry organization. Legal problems Following a 16-month Federal grand jury probe, Bakker was indicted in 1988 on eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy. In 1989, after a five week trial in Charlotte, the jury found him guilty on all 24 counts, and Judge Robert Potter sentenced him to 45 years in federal prison and a $500,000 fine. He served time in the Federal Medical Center, Rochester in Rochester, Minnesota. In early 1991, a federal appeals court upheld Bakker's conviction on the fraud and conspiracy charges, but voided Bakker's 45-year sentence, as well as the $500,000 fine, and ordered that a new sentencing hearing be held. At that hearing, Bakker was sentenced to 18 years in prison. In 1993, after serving almost five years of his sentence, Bakker was granted parole.[11] Bakker's son, Jay, spearheaded a letter-writing campaign to the parole board on his father's behalf, urging leniency. A federal jury subsequently ruled that PTL was not selling securities by offering Lifetime Partnerships at Heritage USA, as Bakker had contended. On July 23, 1996, a North Carolina jury threw out a class action suit brought on behalf of more than 160,000 onetime supporters who contributed as much as $7,000 each to Bakker's coffers in the 1980s. The Charlotte Observer reported that the Internal Revenue Service still holds Bakker and Roe Messner, Tammy Faye's husband from 1993 until her death in 2007, liable for personal income taxes owed from the 1980s when they were building the PTL empire, taxes assessed after the IRS revoked the PTL ministry's nonprofit status. Tammy Faye Messner's new husband said that the original tax amount was about $500,000, with penalties and interest accounting for the rest. The notices reinstating the liens list "James O. and Tamara F. Bakker" as owing $3,000,000, on which liens the Bakkers still pay. Philosophy Bakker has renounced his past teachings on prosperity theology, saying they were wrong. In his 1996 book, I Was Wrong, he admitted that the first time he read the Bible all the way through was in prison, and that it made him realize he had taken certain passages out of context - passages which he had used as "proof texts" to back up his prosperity teachings. He wrote: “ The more I studied the Bible, however, I had to admit that the prosperity message did not line up with the tenor of Scripture. My heart was crushed to think that I led so many people astray. I was appalled that I could have been so wrong, and I was deeply grateful that God had not struck me dead as a false prophet! ” |
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Krimsa
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They never said that man evolved from apes. You just didnt understand. Oh really.....well darling they did when I was in school.....look at the pictures darling.... http://www.franklin.k12.ma.us/~coreyj/familytree.jpg Why dont you look at this photo Deb. This is the "Primate Family Tree". Granted it is a little silly but that is because its INTENDED USE IS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN so they can begin to grasp the basic conceps behind the evolutionary premise. The very fact that you keep trying to assert that we "evolved from apes" simply proves you don't understand any of this. Wouldn't it only be fair, if I am attempting to wrap my head around your theory of Creationism that you at least invest a small amount of your own time in clearly understanding what the theory of anthropogenesis is and the process behind human evolution? |
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Okay since its obvious here the fundies have reached a new low and are simply posting a bunch of copy and pasted personal attacks on world renowned scientists and researchers who have contributed their lives to their prospective fields of study, why not give them some of their own medicine? Here ya go. I would much prefer to actually debate the issues and inconsistencies found within the bible as the OP intended instead of looking up scandals involving high profile fundamentalist religious leaders. False prophet, Jim Bakker, up first to bat. Scandals PTL's fund raising activities between 1984–1987 underwent scrutiny by The Charlotte Observer newspaper, eventually leading to criminal charges against Jim Bakker. From 1984 to 1987, Bakker and his PTL associates sold $1,000 "lifetime memberships", which entitled buyers to a three-night stay annually at a luxury hotel at Heritage USA. According to the prosecution at Bakker's later fraud trial, tens of thousands of memberships had been sold, but only one 500-room hotel was ever completed. Bakker sold more "exclusive partnerships" than could be accommodated, while raising more than twice the money needed to build the actual hotel. A good deal of the money went into Heritage USA's operating expenses, and Bakker kept $3.4 million in bonuses for himself, along with the $279,000 payoff for the silence of Jessica Hahn, a Bakker staff member. Bakker, who apparently made all of the financial decisions for the PTL organization, allegedly kept two sets of books to conceal the accounting irregularities. Reporters from The Charlotte Observer, led by Charles Shepard, investigated and published a series of articles regarding the PTL organization's finances. On March 19, 1987, following the revelation of a payoff to Jessica Hahn, whom Bakker's staff members had paid $279,000 from PTL funds to keep secret her allegation that he had raped her, Bakker resigned from PTL. Bakker acknowledges he met Hahn at a hotel room in Clearwater Beach, Florida, but denies raping her. Following Bakker's resignation as PTL head, he was succeeded in late March, 1987, by Jerry Falwell. Later that summer, as donations sharply declined in the wake of Bakker's resignation and the end of the Bakkers' popular PTL Club TV show, Falwell raised $20 million to help keep the Heritage USA Theme Park solvent, including a well-publicized waterslide plunge there.. Falwell called Bakker a liar, an embezzler, a sexual deviant, and "the greatest scab and cancer on the face of Christianity in 2,000 years of church history." In 1988, Falwell said that the Bakker scandal had "strengthened broadcast evangelism and made Christianity stronger, more mature and more committed". Bakker's son, Jay, wrote in 2001 that the Bakkers felt betrayed by Falwell, whom they thought, at the time of Bakker's resignation, intended to help in Bakker's eventual restoration as head of the PTL ministry organization. Legal problems Following a 16-month Federal grand jury probe, Bakker was indicted in 1988 on eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy. In 1989, after a five week trial in Charlotte, the jury found him guilty on all 24 counts, and Judge Robert Potter sentenced him to 45 years in federal prison and a $500,000 fine. He served time in the Federal Medical Center, Rochester in Rochester, Minnesota. In early 1991, a federal appeals court upheld Bakker's conviction on the fraud and conspiracy charges, but voided Bakker's 45-year sentence, as well as the $500,000 fine, and ordered that a new sentencing hearing be held. At that hearing, Bakker was sentenced to 18 years in prison. In 1993, after serving almost five years of his sentence, Bakker was granted parole.[11] Bakker's son, Jay, spearheaded a letter-writing campaign to the parole board on his father's behalf, urging leniency. A federal jury subsequently ruled that PTL was not selling securities by offering Lifetime Partnerships at Heritage USA, as Bakker had contended. On July 23, 1996, a North Carolina jury threw out a class action suit brought on behalf of more than 160,000 onetime supporters who contributed as much as $7,000 each to Bakker's coffers in the 1980s. The Charlotte Observer reported that the Internal Revenue Service still holds Bakker and Roe Messner, Tammy Faye's husband from 1993 until her death in 2007, liable for personal income taxes owed from the 1980s when they were building the PTL empire, taxes assessed after the IRS revoked the PTL ministry's nonprofit status. Tammy Faye Messner's new husband said that the original tax amount was about $500,000, with penalties and interest accounting for the rest. The notices reinstating the liens list "James O. and Tamara F. Bakker" as owing $3,000,000, on which liens the Bakkers still pay. Philosophy Bakker has renounced his past teachings on prosperity theology, saying they were wrong. In his 1996 book, I Was Wrong, he admitted that the first time he read the Bible all the way through was in prison, and that it made him realize he had taken certain passages out of context - passages which he had used as "proof texts" to back up his prosperity teachings. He wrote: “ The more I studied the Bible, however, I had to admit that the prosperity message did not line up with the tenor of Scripture. My heart was crushed to think that I led so many people astray. I was appalled that I could have been so wrong, and I was deeply grateful that God had not struck me dead as a false prophet! ” Ok red letter day Krimsa...... Jim Bakker is a joke and gives good Christians a bad name....So if your using him as an example....hmmmmmm shows me again how little you know.....Why not copy and paste about Billy Graham and his family.... |
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They never said that man evolved from apes. You just didnt understand. Oh really.....well darling they did when I was in school.....look at the pictures darling.... http://www.franklin.k12.ma.us/~coreyj/familytree.jpg Why dont you look at this photo Deb. This is the "Primate Family Tree". Granted it is a little silly but that is because its INTENDED USE IS FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN so they can begin to grasp the basic conceps behind the evolutionary premise. The very fact that you keep trying to assert that we "evolved from apes" simply proves you don't understand any of this. Wouldn't it only be fair, if I am attempting to wrap my head around your theory of Creationism that you at least invest a small amount of your own time in clearly understanding what the theory of anthropogenesis is and the process behind human evolution? Oh ok if you say so Krimsa....then you must be right.....lol I know more then you think about evolution.....But hey if you want to show me something I don't know....I am all eyes. |
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I just did. Prove to me there was an Adam and Eve then.
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Well that is the tricky part...Because for me the Bible is not a book of fiction but a guideline on how to live, as well as a history book for how it all happen....So you know what my answer would be......It's all the proof I need.....but none of it is proof for you....right.....yep I am right....so why bother.
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Well that is the tricky part...Because for me the Bible is not a book of fiction but a guideline on how to live, as well as a history book for how it all happen....So you know what my answer would be......It's all the proof I need.....but none of it is proof for you....right.....yep I am right....so why bother. Where are the dinosaurs in the bible? We know they exsist... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 08/18/08 09:27 AM
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Well that is the tricky part...Because for me the Bible is not a book of fiction but a guideline on how to live, as well as a history book for how it all happen....So you know what my answer would be......It's all the proof I need.....but none of it is proof for you....right.....yep I am right....so why bother. I have read a lot better books that are a guideline on how to live and were not so confusing and hard to read. Nope. I'll pass on the Bible being a guide line on how to live. In fact, I have a little paperback book here called "How to Get People to Do things" that is a much better guide on how to live your life. Don't be fooled by the title. It is an inspiring philosophy on loving, leading and succeeding in business and in life by Robert Conklin. Just a small sample. My book shelf is loaded with many other books that guide me on living my life. JB |
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Well that is the tricky part...Because for me the Bible is not a book of fiction but a guideline on how to live, as well as a history book for how it all happen....So you know what my answer would be......It's all the proof I need.....but none of it is proof for you....right.....yep I am right....so why bother. Well fine, but science has a burden of proof now doesnt it? Why should you be exempt princess? 
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