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tribo, quoting you... my memory serves me to think that the Church itself is now christ on earth but don't hold me to that, i have nt studied it in over 20 yrs. True, that would be so, assuming that the Church you speak of is those filled with the Holy Spirit. But we preach Christ crucified, basically. And we are about His business, not our own. And we are about His righteousness, not our own. And in His absence, we are His ambassadors. and to the end that we serve Him in the generation we are given to be born in and born again from, as though the world is the womb and birth canal for a spiritual life hid in Christ Jesus. But again, to our generation, not His. His generation is the Church itself. When that is full, the world and the Church shall know its' time and place and the season of its' completion. But, and I emphasize but, the Cvhurch of Jesus Christ is the body, and christ is yet as always the head and the Mind of Christ is given us in the Holy Spirit for the perfecting of our conformance to Christ in perfection and to empower us to preach the truth. To the end that His Church be filled and that every generation of man be given opportunity to enter into His promises and partake of them by grace through faith in Him. It is the faith if Jesus that is the issue. As far as the future goes, I would add this, extra-biblical as it is, coming from me. The day that no man, woman or child receives Jesus Chroist as their savior and Lord, is a day in vain. A day in vain is a waste in God's mind, according to all that we know in the Holy Spirit. That day will mark the completion of the filling of the Church of Jesus Christ among man in the earth. When the Church is full, it is a finished work. That has not happened yet. It will. In the meantime, we are about our Father's business in Christ, and in Christ alone. It is His Church, not ours. He reigns and leads us, not anything but. He has no intention of leaving any out, nor do we, that are willing and called and so choosing, as well as so having been chosen. He hears the private cry of the heart and sends His people to those, that they may partake as well. And ample time should be given them to grow in wisdom and understanding and knowledge i=of Him, from the Holy Spirit and from us as the echo of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps the vanity will appear for a season because of grace, mercy and peace for those being perfected in Him, b7ut the vanity of a day wherein none calls upon the Lord is a day not to be wished for. That will be a day of darkness which is incomprehensibly sure to weigh heavily on the Church so anointed with the Mind of Christ. I have not been given witness of such a day, but know it is coming. Sooner or later, such a day will come. What follows is anything but grace mercy and peace and the end of this present age will occur, subsequently. Let the door not close on any, just yet. 
What will follow will make these present days pale in comparison to the darkness to come upon all flesh, not already hid in Christ. It is clear to me, that most look back on ancient days somewhat romantically at best, and contemptuously at worst, but none really comprehends the darkness that was when heaven was shut to man, and sins and errors prevented forgiveness and mercy and grace from abounding in liberty, as it is today. This age is about the Church of Jesus Christ being filled. Beyond that, the world (outside of Christ)is still judged on works, not on His righteousness beiung employed to our hearts for oour good and His name's sake. This is a distinction that is often overlooked and ignored. But it is a distinction that stands on its' own merits. The meritoriousness of this dispensation is not about the efficacy and perfection of the Church altogether, but about Jesus Christ, et al. It is what it is, as long as it remains the present dispensation of the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Beyond that, man has less control over the destiny of the objective, mission and purpose given all equally in this age. It is not a doctrinal "pin the tail on the donkey" type of intellectualism that matters at all. That is irrelevant. Though amusing as a form of excuse. Quite opposite of reason.
congratulations woody you prove nothing but you sure say alot,  you - deb - morning star, and others are steadfast in your misinformation i will give you credit for that, pitbulls may be ferocious, but that does not make them right. anyway, its beliefs held in your sectarian theologies and all else, you can believe whatever you want if you right that's fine you can continue to look forward to his return, if your wrong the as usual you will see signs of his nearness and elaborate as you have been doing for a hundred years now and claiming to know the signs lindsey's been wrong and will be wrong again, and benny hinn will do no better in my opinion, it matters not i neither live for the past or the future i live only in the now that's really all anyone has, but for you? you keep espousing things that don't hold water, so i can never accept them as truths.
you assume far too much, tribo. I am competitive too, but I limit it to racing cars. 
The Holy Spirit, I know. Jesus, I know. You, I do not know, but out of respect I wouldn't dare to risk comparing you to anyone. That would be a speculation beneath the dignity taught me by the Holy Spirit. In that, we are different, tribo. yes true wouldee, we are different in respect to thing of the spirit, no question there. As i have said to others here, i wish you no harm, you can believe what you want or will. if your correct time will tell, if not time will tell that also. what we believe will not affect either one in the all of things, blessings (meaning happiness) be upon you. i was once like you so i know their is little to persuade you from your stance, nor do i care to continue, not worth my time. good evening, tribo. just so you know... I failed to mention that I am not a fan of the rapture scenerio. I suppose that is relevant to you, in light of your thread being so titled. I only noticed that in seeing that you posted a response. I merely answered your point about the Church being Christ on earth, which is true, as ambassadors endued with the Holy Spirit as the head in the absence of Jesus' physical presence. How the end of the Church Age manifests itself, ultimately, will fit scripture, but not altogether as some would hold. It never falls that way anyway. I hold that neither the early saints nor those of the 'latter rain' at the culmination of this present dispensational age escape acountability for the responsibilites of the care and nurture of the gospel of Jesus Christ within each generation of man, which, is not the generation of the Lord, per se. The generation of the Church Age is different. Where Christians fall in excuses is similar to the excuses given by all that refuse entering into the covenant relationship with God, through faith in Jesus Christ and the evidentiary sealing of that redemptive fellowship by the Holy Spirit, in that distractions from the whole duty of man is to worship God in Spirit and Truth. To that end, looking for a release of current obnligations by virtue of setting one's heart on a future event that excuses, or seeks to excuse personal accountability for sharing the gospel as intended is a ploy for denying that we, as Christians, are actually bought with a price. The price being those around us that might believe in Jesus if they saw a lot more of Him in us and less of us in us. Rapture doctrines, pre, mid, post or amellineal are not core to the gospel and whatever may come in the future, is not up to any of us anyway. What is up to us is doing the will of God from the heart, with an unfeigned witness of the power of God to reconcile any to Himself in Christ. That work is not our own, and we must be diligent to wait on the Lord for being instant and ready at any time to share the faith that we have in Jesus, with the power of the Holy Spirit, which is what changes the heart, tribo ; not our intellectual machinations of the written record of the words of God. You, like so many others, allow for the truth eluding you by remaining focused on men and not God. Excuses are what they are, excuses. All must guard against excuses deceiving the heart, or spirit, if you will. Our souls are at stake. all souls. every soul. every life. We are all judged, by works, oir by the righteousness of God found planted in our hearts, but none are excused. Excuses are deadly, tribo. Not to be trifled with in the name of truth. Indeed, not to be taken lightly. What fgascinates me, and this is off topic, is that judgements are made all day long and everywhere. Rightly so. But it has become quite fashionable to pretend that sound judgement is bigotry or worse. I find that trend to be nothing more than an excuse of its own. I trust I need not elaborate or belabor that point. Just a thought.
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tribo
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tribo, quoting you... my memory serves me to think that the Church itself is now christ on earth but don't hold me to that, i have nt studied it in over 20 yrs. True, that would be so, assuming that the Church you speak of is those filled with the Holy Spirit. But we preach Christ crucified, basically. And we are about His business, not our own. And we are about His righteousness, not our own. And in His absence, we are His ambassadors. and to the end that we serve Him in the generation we are given to be born in and born again from, as though the world is the womb and birth canal for a spiritual life hid in Christ Jesus. But again, to our generation, not His. His generation is the Church itself. When that is full, the world and the Church shall know its' time and place and the season of its' completion. But, and I emphasize but, the Cvhurch of Jesus Christ is the body, and christ is yet as always the head and the Mind of Christ is given us in the Holy Spirit for the perfecting of our conformance to Christ in perfection and to empower us to preach the truth. To the end that His Church be filled and that every generation of man be given opportunity to enter into His promises and partake of them by grace through faith in Him. It is the faith if Jesus that is the issue. As far as the future goes, I would add this, extra-biblical as it is, coming from me. The day that no man, woman or child receives Jesus Chroist as their savior and Lord, is a day in vain. A day in vain is a waste in God's mind, according to all that we know in the Holy Spirit. That day will mark the completion of the filling of the Church of Jesus Christ among man in the earth. When the Church is full, it is a finished work. That has not happened yet. It will. In the meantime, we are about our Father's business in Christ, and in Christ alone. It is His Church, not ours. He reigns and leads us, not anything but. He has no intention of leaving any out, nor do we, that are willing and called and so choosing, as well as so having been chosen. He hears the private cry of the heart and sends His people to those, that they may partake as well. And ample time should be given them to grow in wisdom and understanding and knowledge i=of Him, from the Holy Spirit and from us as the echo of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps the vanity will appear for a season because of grace, mercy and peace for those being perfected in Him, b7ut the vanity of a day wherein none calls upon the Lord is a day not to be wished for. That will be a day of darkness which is incomprehensibly sure to weigh heavily on the Church so anointed with the Mind of Christ. I have not been given witness of such a day, but know it is coming. Sooner or later, such a day will come. What follows is anything but grace mercy and peace and the end of this present age will occur, subsequently. Let the door not close on any, just yet.
What will follow will make these present days pale in comparison to the darkness to come upon all flesh, not already hid in Christ. It is clear to me, that most look back on ancient days somewhat romantically at best, and contemptuously at worst, but none really comprehends the darkness that was when heaven was shut to man, and sins and errors prevented forgiveness and mercy and grace from abounding in liberty, as it is today. This age is about the Church of Jesus Christ being filled. Beyond that, the world (outside of Christ)is still judged on works, not on His righteousness beiung employed to our hearts for oour good and His name's sake. This is a distinction that is often overlooked and ignored. But it is a distinction that stands on its' own merits. The meritoriousness of this dispensation is not about the efficacy and perfection of the Church altogether, but about Jesus Christ, et al. It is what it is, as long as it remains the present dispensation of the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Beyond that, man has less control over the destiny of the objective, mission and purpose given all equally in this age. It is not a doctrinal "pin the tail on the donkey" type of intellectualism that matters at all. That is irrelevant. Though amusing as a form of excuse. Quite opposite of reason.
congratulations woody you prove nothing but you sure say alot, you - deb - morning star, and others are steadfast in your misinformation i will give you credit for that, pitbulls may be ferocious, but that does not make them right. anyway, its beliefs held in your sectarian theologies and all else, you can believe whatever you want if you right that's fine you can continue to look forward to his return, if your wrong the as usual you will see signs of his nearness and elaborate as you have been doing for a hundred years now and claiming to know the signs lindsey's been wrong and will be wrong again, and benny hinn will do no better in my opinion, it matters not i neither live for the past or the future i live only in the now that's really all anyone has, but for you? you keep espousing things that don't hold water, so i can never accept them as truths.
you assume far too much, tribo. I am competitive too, but I limit it to racing cars.
The Holy Spirit, I know. Jesus, I know. You, I do not know, but out of respect I wouldn't dare to risk comparing you to anyone. That would be a speculation beneath the dignity taught me by the Holy Spirit. In that, we are different, tribo. yes true wouldee, we are different in respect to thing of the spirit, no question there. As i have said to others here, i wish you no harm, you can believe what you want or will. if your correct time will tell, if not time will tell that also. what we believe will not affect either one in the all of things, blessings (meaning happiness) be upon you. i was once like you so i know their is little to persuade you from your stance, nor do i care to continue, not worth my time. good evening, tribo. just so you know... I failed to mention that I am not a fan of the rapture scenerio. I suppose that is relevant to you, in light of your thread being so titled. I only noticed that in seeing that you posted a response. I merely answered your point about the Church being Christ on earth, which is true, as ambassadors endued with the Holy Spirit as the head in the absence of Jesus' physical presence. How the end of the Church Age manifests itself, ultimately, will fit scripture, but not altogether as some would hold. It never falls that way anyway. I hold that neither the early saints nor those of the 'latter rain' at the culmination of this present dispensational age escape acountability for the responsibilites of the care and nurture of the gospel of Jesus Christ within each generation of man, which, is not the generation of the Lord, per se. The generation of the Church Age is different. Where Christians fall in excuses is similar to the excuses given by all that refuse entering into the covenant relationship with God, through faith in Jesus Christ and the evidentiary sealing of that redemptive fellowship by the Holy Spirit, in that distractions from the whole duty of man is to worship God in Spirit and Truth. To that end, looking for a release of current obnligations by virtue of setting one's heart on a future event that excuses, or seeks to excuse personal accountability for sharing the gospel as intended is a ploy for denying that we, as Christians, are actually bought with a price. The price being those around us that might believe in Jesus if they saw a lot more of Him in us and less of us in us. Rapture doctrines, pre, mid, post or amellineal are not core to the gospel and whatever may come in the future, is not up to any of us anyway. What is up to us is doing the will of God from the heart, with an unfeigned witness of the power of God to reconcile any to Himself in Christ. That work is not our own, and we must be diligent to wait on the Lord for being instant and ready at any time to share the faith that we have in Jesus, with the power of the Holy Spirit, which is what changes the heart, tribo ; not our intellectual machinations of the written record of the words of God. You, like so many others, allow for the truth eluding you by remaining focused on men and not God. Excuses are what they are, excuses. All must guard against excuses deceiving the heart, or spirit, if you will. Our souls are at stake. all souls. every soul. every life. We are all judged, by works, oir by the righteousness of God found planted in our hearts, but none are excused. Excuses are deadly, tribo. Not to be trifled with in the name of truth. Indeed, not to be taken lightly. What fgascinates me, and this is off topic, is that judgements are made all day long and everywhere. Rightly so. But it has become quite fashionable to pretend that sound judgement is bigotry or worse. I find that trend to be nothing more than an excuse of its own. I trust I need not elaborate or belabor that point. Just a thought.
your welcome to your thoughts W, if your right then continue to do as you have written here and be a good Steward of your gods word, as for me and my house, we will be as we are and just be. we feel no need or urgency to proclaim anything to anyone at anytime, if someone ask - fine, otherwise i leave each to his own. i do not push my beliefs on anyone i rarely talk of them at all - more so here than ever. I will always have dispute with what i consider untruths, that's me - even if i am not part of the truths such as now. get used to it, we all have are flaws. 
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Actually I am planning my own rapture. It involves magic mushrooms and a willing partner.  
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Actually I am planning my own rapture. It involves magic mushrooms and a willing partner.
i'm game but it has to be FL. shrooms biggun's brownie's |
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Actually I am planning my own rapture. It involves magic mushrooms and a willing partner.
i'm game but it has to be FL. shrooms biggun's brownie's Boy you sound real experienced. I'm impressed.
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Actually I am planning my own rapture. It involves magic mushrooms and a willing partner.
i'm game but it has to be FL. shrooms biggun's brownie's Boy you sound real experienced. I'm impressed.
been aloooooooong time hahaha |
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Actually I am planning my own rapture. It involves magic mushrooms and a willing partner.
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tribo.......
indeed you have REJECTED WELL all half-truths that were once HEARD and INTERPRETED and RESPOKEN thru fear....... indeed you see death as all that comes now, and so you have prohecied for yourself your own, but remember your former love, that you hated only because you seen and tasted and smelled and touched all thru the eyes of fear, and indeed this place even now be brought to REMOVE all fear, but fear cannot be removed less it be admitted, and if admitted, then understood, AND FEAR NOW WITH LOVE BOTH ARE AS EQUAL, AND GUIDE ANY WISDOM FROM THE SEVENTH AND HIGHEST REALM, and all words whispered to the mind the tree of knowledge, the heart the tree of life answer back, and all things have greater meaning, WHEN BOTH TREES HAVE BECOME AS ONE......and the knowledge of god and satan that no man can take away be accomplished. to unlock all the truth the death angel has whispered to you, remove the fear of hearing when each things is whispered, and think it not good, nor bad, and if it cause fear in the heart, then know it be not ALL the truth and WAIT FOR MORE....... indeed each word that you have professed to be a lie, was only but a half-truth, and the half truth must be heard as TRUE, then the OTHER HALF be delivered to you from the same death angel you have met........and converted now into PEACE OF ETERNAL LIFE AS YOU KNOW WELL ALREADY EXISTS, AND IS PREPARED FOR ALL........but indeed my friend, it is for now, even here, and there is CURRENT NEED to know that this "life" walk KNOWINGLY into it with all KNOWING OF WHAT IS TO BE BEFORE IT OCCUR........ when the will of one is nothing, as the ANGEL SHALL ASK, then all LIFE AND WHOLE TRUTH come in an instant, and even the presence thereof shall bring you BACK to your kness as you once knelt, and even prostrate, and ytou shall HAVE NOT ONE DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE MET IN THE FLESH THE ONLY GOD THAT EXISTS, and you will know AFTER FEAR COUSE THRU THE ENTIRE BEING the god you have sought and that he now FINDS YOU, and when ALL THINGS ARE DISCUSSED, and arise is spoken, the one you have always feared since a child has now CREATED A FRIENDSHIP, and this will remove all fear from within the depths of the heart, AND THE KNOWING OF THIS WILL FREE YOU FROM THE FEAR OF ALL DEATH, AND YOU WILL NO LONGER PREACH THIS, BUT WORDS THAT BRING FORTH LIFE........PEACE |
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Very well said David...
Tribo said: deb - morning star, and others are steadfast in your misinformation i will give you credit for that, pitbulls may be ferocious, but that does not make them right. Answer: It's not a matter of being right or wrong.....It is what I believe to be true...and what you believe to be true....Believe as you wish..... If questions are asked I will answer...and not for the tribo's, or the abras, or the JB's, but for those truly seeking and thats it. For me sweet tribo it is what it is.......so we will see when the times comes who holds the ace.....because as long as my faith in Jesus Christ is abundant.....nothing else holds water with me...... And the arrogance of thinking that you once believed liked wouldee and then you just knew the truths...well the truths are in the Bible....and the prophecies are not all fulfilled as you may think.....so we once again will agree to disagree. |
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tribo....... indeed you have REJECTED WELL all half-truths that were once HEARD and INTERPRETED and RESPOKEN thru fear....... indeed you see death as all that comes now, and so you have prohecied for yourself your own, but remember your former love, that you hated only because you seen and tasted and smelled and touched all thru the eyes of fear, and indeed this place even now be brought to REMOVE all fear, but fear cannot be removed less it be admitted, and if admitted, then understood, AND FEAR NOW WITH LOVE BOTH ARE AS EQUAL, AND GUIDE ANY WISDOM FROM THE SEVENTH AND HIGHEST REALM, and all words whispered to the mind the tree of knowledge, the heart the tree of life answer back, and all things have greater meaning, WHEN BOTH TREES HAVE BECOME AS ONE......and the knowledge of god and satan that no man can take away be accomplished. to unlock all the truth the death angel has whispered to you, remove the fear of hearing when each things is whispered, and think it not good, nor bad, and if it cause fear in the heart, then know it be not ALL the truth and WAIT FOR MORE....... indeed each word that you have professed to be a lie, was only but a half-truth, and the half truth must be heard as TRUE, then the OTHER HALF be delivered to you from the same death angel you have met........and converted now into PEACE OF ETERNAL LIFE AS YOU KNOW WELL ALREADY EXISTS, AND IS PREPARED FOR ALL........but indeed my friend, it is for now, even here, and there is CURRENT NEED to know that this "life" walk KNOWINGLY into it with all KNOWING OF WHAT IS TO BE BEFORE IT OCCUR........ when the will of one is nothing, as the ANGEL SHALL ASK, then all LIFE AND WHOLE TRUTH come in an instant, and even the presence thereof shall bring you BACK to your kness as you once knelt, and even prostrate, and ytou shall HAVE NOT ONE DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE MET IN THE FLESH THE ONLY GOD THAT EXISTS, and you will know AFTER FEAR COUSE THRU THE ENTIRE BEING the god you have sought and that he now FINDS YOU, and when ALL THINGS ARE DISCUSSED, and arise is spoken, the one you have always feared since a child has now CREATED A FRIENDSHIP, and this will remove all fear from within the depths of the heart, AND THE KNOWING OF THIS WILL FREE YOU FROM THE FEAR OF ALL DEATH, AND YOU WILL NO LONGER PREACH THIS, BUT WORDS THAT BRING FORTH LIFE........PEACE Davidben1, I mean no offense David, but from what or who do you channel or derive your sermons? JB |
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seems to me all misinformation only be brought to have a NEED for MORE information, so what should be most worshipped as truth......
seems like none be guilty feralcat, no women, no man, no child, except of what one has not YET heard, so then it be innocence......... if MORE be heard, and it be the WHOLE TRUTH, then no heart as prophecied can resist god, or god does not even exist....... if words to not do not produce the desired effect, the how can they contain MORE than what one alreadys knows, and if they have MORE, than they have more silent power..... if this be not the evidence, then will not the speakers always condem the hearers........ |
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JB, none is ever heard from you......each being decide within themself what is true and untrue, so that seems a question that only you can answer......
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JB, none is ever heard from you......each being decide within themself what is true and untrue, so that seems a question that only you can answer...... You state your religion as other. I don't usually make too much sense out of your posts and I am wondering what kind of religious background you hail from. JB |
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i only stated other as it was the only choice MOST applicable, lol, and i hail not from any religion.......
i only speak what my heart says, and profess nothing more...... |
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with all that's been said so far i still know the closest thing to truth expounded by your belief system lies with the teachings of the pretrist - not the futurist, it may not make a difference to your salvation or final place in your heaven, but it does hold out some non exsistant future hope of something that has taken place in the past, therefore you lay upon others "the" teaching (not your teaching) of those whom you hold up and admire as trusting followers of gods word that they expouse or have expoused? is this something that is right? i think not - either both should stop or all within the body should come to the same holdings - that would be right - but you dont, you "cling" to what you believe the holy spirit is showing you through what you have read of these teacher's of futuristic things. You wuold rather, as the futurist teachers and apologist do, make them out to be anathema, heritics, but in truth it is the other way around. I would love nothing more than to see a debate of hal lindsey or benny hinn or other futurist well known go up against a well versed preterist teacher/believer, i would guarantee you who would win. and it would not be you.
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i only stated other as it was the only choice MOST applicable, lol, and i hail not from any religion....... i only speak what my heart says, and profess nothing more...... You must get your "information" from some source or some religion. One does not get it from their "heart" or from an unknown voice in their head unless they are channeling material of some kind. You post long sermons that impress me as a street preacher with a new revelation for the world as if you think yourself to be some new prophet with a message for mankind. I just want to know what your message is in simple terms please. JB |
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Very true David but then what if they have heard and still choose to ignore...still their decision but then what of it for me.....do I turn away and so it be done.....And then I would have to say if they choose the non exsistance of God then so be it....it is done. It is not mine nor anyone else's to condemn anyone for anything....For that is God's and God's job alone....So it is written so it is done.
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Sorry double post......
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the truth only be the sum of what is believed, and there is no evidence anywhere in the universe that any man, womem, or child has control over what they believe, as this would mean one would have to be given warning in advance to decide what to believe before it be heard.............the mind convince oneself it has found truth, and this be only by half-logic, and why these words will never at first before they have grown be able to be re-spoken, and will confuse the mind, as they are half-mind, which make half-truth, and half-heart, which be the whole answer to each half-truth, and many layers removed from the first conscious response that control all that have not come to understanding yet of greater truth flowing forth frm the expidential place of all learning, as even called the tree of life that create all things when fulfilled............
i think nothing of myself more than what pass thru the mind each second, and if this be accpeted and not defined, then how can one have any defintion as to what they are or who they are........ each is only all that the mind has ever seen, but there be many more truths that the heart has never even dared to look at, and the question of who is who and what is what shall come to confuse all to create a NEED for all to look deeper than ever looked before in human history.......i only most speak what prepare all MOST for the time that is to come...... the universe, the stars, the sun, the moon, the skys, the waters, the earth, each body, each mind, each man, each women, each child, each animal, each tree, each flower, each weed all have one constant principle at work......man created none and ALL have only one way they were formed, so there be only one truth of how all things are created and exist.......ONE........any man that does not know this in full confidence in days to come is not yet saved from himself, by knowing himself........ if one think there be many truths, then how does even know to look and see and taste and smell and feel and hear what that one may be.........all things work ONE way for MAXIMUM effectiveness........all that believe one truth will never come will be the last to see it, and cannot be completed in themself to know their own destiny and truth until last........ if there be any constant principle to hold that give wisdom, it be this that apply to all things when looked at........... this way lies within the heart of each individual, and any can "channel" this from within if they have come to not have any more use for personal gain MOST......personal gain MOST be what gaurd the greatest secrets in the universe as they always have, which be in the time of a new beginning all that have power to set any captive of the mind free........ this true test of ones own WILL THE GREATEST being discarded can only be by saying yes to all the mind, and then the universe or god decide what is to be..........who shall do this if there be any fear of anything to lose...... if any think of another as evil or having such potential, then this show what potential lie within their own heart, for as long as there is FEAR of what another could or might be in evil, than FEAR of ones own mind has not yet passed away, and they are susceptible and even subject to it.......... this must be passed thru for all to come to peace.......this is surely even now the things spoken of, and if there is understanding, then this indicate experience has created desire, and then HEARING is known, and bring forth wisdom that never pass away........ to resist the mind as having any evil or good make for becoming as an enemy to oneself, and this thing be the only reason all half-truths can cause pain, disharmony, violence, and create all things that the mark in the forehead and hand will try to accomplish.....MANS WILL TO BE GREATER THAN WHAT EACH HEART KNOWS TO BE THE TRUTH........this mark is already present even since birth, and have current need to be removed if any so wish to see MORE of the truth....... there is no constant to the truth JB as you so wish me to speak, as it change with perception each time it be looked at, and this known is why one see to stop following or looking for a truth, as it is all around each second and one can HEAR IT if there is good reason to see why not to look away from all things not liked and so yet not understood, but to wait and ask for understanding each from their own heart, and this true heart of all mankind guide each to peace and safety........ one can hear it streaming forth from the minds all around that each look at and say I KNOW BETTER, if not for the fear of losing their own rightness....... ALL THE KNOWLEDGE INDEED CAN NEVER BE ACHIEVED BY MORTAL FORM, BUT THE ANSWERS FOR ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO MAKE BLISS FOR EACH MORTAL CAN BE HAD IF ONE CAN ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY EXIST, IN THEIR FELLOW MAN, BY KNOWING EACH HAS COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE........GOOD AND PERFECT.......THIS MAKE ALL WORDS, MEDIA, AND MUSIC TO THEN COME TO HAVE MUCH MORE MEANING.... if i preach, than any human that speak preach, and each then preach what they deem to be most importance with all their words spoken all my words are only responsive, as each ones are, and ALL words heard lead to more truth when the heart see to LET IN THE ONES YOU DISLIKE THE MOST, AND WISDOM COME QUICKLY.........MANY HAVE SEPERATED THEMSELF FROM ALL WORDS AND OTHERS THAT HAVE SPOKEN WHAT THEY DID NOT LIKE, AND THESE SHALL BE REVISITED FOR ANYTHING MORE TO EVER BE FOUND........ if any be comfortable, and claim to have peace, then true peace can never be seen, as nothing that say it has peace can ever commit these words to be spoken.......... what can be saved that say it be saved, as to say one be saved, speak what keep one from hearing more, as if anything truly be saved, then these words can never even be pulled from the heart.......what can learn more, if one say they have already learned, as true wisdom can never be learned, rather must have been taught, and if taught always more, then when shall this ever stop...............PEACE |
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it has already occurred, so has the final judgement, so has all the other thing's jesus and the apostles talked about in scripture, they all took place by 70 AD, when the destruction of Jerusalem, was accomplished by God and by the Romans. the only thing you can possibly put your faith in now is your own individual faith in your messiah, jesus, and your god. You have been taken in by a teaching that is false and have spread it throughout the modern world, your evangelical belief's of dispensational teacher's have led your itchy ear's astray, they have divided your bible wrongly, and you continue to mislead both yourselves and other's with fallacy of what's to come. There is NOTHING left to come, but death. Even if the bible researchers knew this was true, the religions would shut this information down so quick people's head would spin. How can you continue to make people believe that they are going to a better place then the rest of us if it already happened and there is no special event and blessing for them for believing in the religion. Just as the original texts to the bible were destroyed and any text that has disagreed with the most popular King James version of the bible, has been destroyed or kept under lock and key by the church itself for fear of people learning the truth about what they have been believing to be false or just stories of old. |
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