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I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison. It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime? I'm so sorry to hear that.   And I agree with you in some countries they actually do that.
Hello Dear Sweet Lady Rush 2001
 Thank you so much for your love and prayers
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I agree that those who would prey on children are the lowest of the low & that they destroy a life as nearly as if the child were left dead. The life that child might have led is forever gone from that moment on. Society must be protected from such predators.
I believe such people must be confined the remainder of their days. I have never heard of rehabilitation for a child predator and don't believe there is any hope for that. Various methods of castration only remove the weapon of choice and do not address female offenders. But I do not agree with the permanent solutions suggested above that eliminate any possible attempts of redress in the event that someone is wrongfully convicted. Studies have proven the fallibility of even eye witness acounts...between terror, trauma and time, mistakes are made. Permanently confining convicted offenders with only those similarly convicted would allow for the possibility of righting a wrong conviction, should it become known. It is inherent in our legal system that some offenders of any of our laws will escape conviction in an effort to prevent the innocent from a wrongful conviction. Whether we wish to believe it or not, the plan was an effort to protect all of us...you & I, as well as the less savory members of our society. It is what those who came before us to establish our legal system intended. Innocent until proven guilty is just one example of their foresight. I believe that they may have even trusted that God would ultimately set the record straight by allowing those offenders who escaped just punishment to eventually reveal themselves & be convicted (if not of the original crime, then a subsequent one). It is with that same regard that I oppose an 'ultimate'/'capital', permanent solution to the question of appropriate punishment for child predators...or to the death penalty period. The wrongful death at the hands of my government is committed in the name of all of this country's citizens...it is committed in my name. If & when it is required, I wish to pay for my sins & mine alone. Until all who are sentenced to death in my name are proven beyond TODAY'S standards of reasonable doubt (DNA evidence!), I will oppose the death penalty...or the permitting of other convicts to do the dirty work for those who believe incarceration is too lenient. To those here who have suffered at the hands of horrendous vultures, I can give you only the tears & grief I have for the child we lost in you. I can only hope that there is a story of triumph and success for the child into which you were transformed because of such an experience. I grieve for what you have suffered and lost (what the world lost), but hope to be allowed to rejoice in the incredible people you become in spite of it. I am so sorry...and that rings so hollow in the face of what you've endured. |
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I agree that those who would prey on children are the lowest of the low & that they destroy a life as nearly as if the child were left dead. The life that child might have led is forever gone from that moment on. Society must be protected from such predators. I believe such people must be confined the remainder of their days. I have never heard of rehabilitation for a child predator and don't believe there is any hope for that. Various methods of castration only remove the weapon of choice and do not address female offenders. But I do not agree with the permanent solutions suggested above that eliminate any possible attempts of redress in the event that someone is wrongfully convicted. Studies have proven the fallibility of even eye witness acounts...between terror, trauma and time, mistakes are made. Permanently confining convicted offenders with only those similarly convicted would allow for the possibility of righting a wrong conviction, should it become known. It is inherent in our legal system that some offenders of any of our laws will escape conviction in an effort to prevent the innocent from a wrongful conviction. Whether we wish to believe it or not, the plan was an effort to protect all of us...you & I, as well as the less savory members of our society. It is what those who came before us to establish our legal system intended. Innocent until proven guilty is just one example of their foresight. I believe that they may have even trusted that God would ultimately set the record straight by allowing those offenders who escaped just punishment to eventually reveal themselves & be convicted (if not of the original crime, then a subsequent one). It is with that same regard that I oppose an 'ultimate'/'capital', permanent solution to the question of appropriate punishment for child predators...or to the death penalty period. The wrongful death at the hands of my government is committed in the name of all of this country's citizens...it is committed in my name. If & when it is required, I wish to pay for my sins & mine alone. Until all who are sentenced to death in my name are proven beyond TODAY'S standards of reasonable doubt (DNA evidence!), I will oppose the death penalty...or the permitting of other convicts to do the dirty work for those who believe incarceration is too lenient. To those here who have suffered at the hands of horrendous vultures, I can give you only the tears & grief I have for the child we lost in you. I can only hope that there is a story of triumph and success for the child into which you were transformed because of such an experience. I grieve for what you have suffered and lost (what the world lost), but hope to be allowed to rejoice in the incredible people you become in spite of it. I am so sorry...and that rings so hollow in the face of what you've endured. I guess I'm conflicted as to imposition of the death penalty. As a Christian, I believe in forgiveness and redemption, but I know that some people are very hard to either forgive or redeem. I heard somewhere that it is harder to rehabilitate a child molester than a murderer, yet we put murders to death and not child molesters. However, that being said, I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrent. If a criminal wants to commit a heinous crime, the death penalty won't stop them. If someone can come up with statistics showing that the death penalty actually deters criminals from committing serious crimes, I'd like to see them. |
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 Someone should be mature about this issue and take a closer look at it and figure out a way to solve the problem
I tried 
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Someone should be mature about this issue and take a closer look at it and figure out a way to solve the problem
I tried
Your efforts were not in vain. But, it is such a 'delicate' issue, I just don't know..............Does the Old Testament "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth" still apply? Then I think of the New Testament, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." Then I think of "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Then I think of "Revenge is Mine," sayeth the Lord." I just don't know......... Lindyy |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Thu 06/26/08 01:51 PM
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I agree that those who would prey on children are the lowest of the low & that they destroy a life as nearly as if the child were left dead. The life that child might have led is forever gone from that moment on. Society must be protected from such predators. I believe such people must be confined the remainder of their days. I have never heard of rehabilitation for a child predator and don't believe there is any hope for that. Various methods of castration only remove the weapon of choice and do not address female offenders. But I do not agree with the permanent solutions suggested above that eliminate any possible attempts of redress in the event that someone is wrongfully convicted. Studies have proven the fallibility of even eye witness acounts...between terror, trauma and time, mistakes are made. Permanently confining convicted offenders with only those similarly convicted would allow for the possibility of righting a wrong conviction, should it become known. It is inherent in our legal system that some offenders of any of our laws will escape conviction in an effort to prevent the innocent from a wrongful conviction. Whether we wish to believe it or not, the plan was an effort to protect all of us...you & I, as well as the less savory members of our society. It is what those who came before us to establish our legal system intended. Innocent until proven guilty is just one example of their foresight. I believe that they may have even trusted that God would ultimately set the record straight by allowing those offenders who escaped just punishment to eventually reveal themselves & be convicted (if not of the original crime, then a subsequent one). It is with that same regard that I oppose an 'ultimate'/'capital', permanent solution to the question of appropriate punishment for child predators...or to the death penalty period. The wrongful death at the hands of my government is committed in the name of all of this country's citizens...it is committed in my name. If & when it is required, I wish to pay for my sins & mine alone. Until all who are sentenced to death in my name are proven beyond TODAY'S standards of reasonable doubt (DNA evidence!), I will oppose the death penalty...or the permitting of other convicts to do the dirty work for those who believe incarceration is too lenient. To those here who have suffered at the hands of horrendous vultures, I can give you only the tears & grief I have for the child we lost in you. I can only hope that there is a story of triumph and success for the child into which you were transformed because of such an experience. I grieve for what you have suffered and lost (what the world lost), but hope to be allowed to rejoice in the incredible people you become in spite of it. I am so sorry...and that rings so hollow in the face of what you've endured. What a beautiful message 
thank you so very much
i hear what you are saying...
for i am not without conscience or grief 
for those who may be charged for a crime 
they did not commit...
but i think we are waaaaaay too lenient 
on those who have been proven guilty 
of such heinous crimes & atrocities 
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Thanks to those who listened and understood what my head & heart were trying to convey.
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Thu 06/26/08 03:51 PM
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Someone should be mature about this issue and take a closer look at it and figure out a way to solve the problem
I tried
Your efforts were not in vain. But, it is such a 'delicate' issue, I just don't know..............Does the Old Testament "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth" still apply? Then I think of the New Testament, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." Then I think of "Love thy neighbor as thyself." Then I think of "Revenge is Mine," sayeth the Lord." I just don't know......... Lindyy Yes, My dear Friend Lindyy
it is a very tough call to make but i also believe so strongly 
that if the conscienceless defending attornies
wouldn't try to unscrupulously protect
the < poor excuse for people >
who < beyond a shadow of a doubt >
have actually committed the crime
and look for any stinking loop hole 
they can find to throw the case out of court , 
to pad their own wallets & for their own publicity
and if they didn't have cover -ups and pay -offs
this judicial system might actually have a chance to work right
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I hope nobody dies in prison
i don't care if evil people die in prison...
more tax dollars for those who actually deserve it
No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here? I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me? |
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I agree that those who would prey on children are the lowest of the low & that they destroy a life as nearly as if the child were left dead. The life that child might have led is forever gone from that moment on. Society must be protected from such predators. I believe such people must be confined the remainder of their days. I have never heard of rehabilitation for a child predator and don't believe there is any hope for that. Various methods of castration only remove the weapon of choice and do not address female offenders. But I do not agree with the permanent solutions suggested above that eliminate any possible attempts of redress in the event that someone is wrongfully convicted. Studies have proven the fallibility of even eye witness acounts...between terror, trauma and time, mistakes are made. Permanently confining convicted offenders with only those similarly convicted would allow for the possibility of righting a wrong conviction, should it become known. It is inherent in our legal system that some offenders of any of our laws will escape conviction in an effort to prevent the innocent from a wrongful conviction. Whether we wish to believe it or not, the plan was an effort to protect all of us...you & I, as well as the less savory members of our society. It is what those who came before us to establish our legal system intended. Innocent until proven guilty is just one example of their foresight. I believe that they may have even trusted that God would ultimately set the record straight by allowing those offenders who escaped just punishment to eventually reveal themselves & be convicted (if not of the original crime, then a subsequent one). It is with that same regard that I oppose an 'ultimate'/'capital', permanent solution to the question of appropriate punishment for child predators...or to the death penalty period. The wrongful death at the hands of my government is committed in the name of all of this country's citizens...it is committed in my name. If & when it is required, I wish to pay for my sins & mine alone. Until all who are sentenced to death in my name are proven beyond TODAY'S standards of reasonable doubt (DNA evidence!), I will oppose the death penalty...or the permitting of other convicts to do the dirty work for those who believe incarceration is too lenient. To those here who have suffered at the hands of horrendous vultures, I can give you only the tears & grief I have for the child we lost in you. I can only hope that there is a story of triumph and success for the child into which you were transformed because of such an experience. I grieve for what you have suffered and lost (what the world lost), but hope to be allowed to rejoice in the incredible people you become in spite of it. I am so sorry...and that rings so hollow in the face of what you've endured. I guess I'm conflicted as to imposition of the death penalty. As a Christian, I believe in forgiveness and redemption, but I know that some people are very hard to either forgive or redeem. I heard somewhere that it is harder to rehabilitate a child molester than a murderer, yet we put murders to death and not child molesters. However, that being said, I don't believe the death penalty is a deterrent. If a criminal wants to commit a heinous crime, the death penalty won't stop them. If someone can come up with statistics showing that the death penalty actually deters criminals from committing serious crimes, I'd like to see them. 
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I hope nobody dies in prison
i don't care if evil people die in prison...
more tax dollars for those who actually deserve it
No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here? I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me? I don't know what that makes you dragoness and i really do not care if evil people die in prison and i hope more of them go there to help rid the streets of the monsters who roam them i am not the judge and neither are you and like the saying goes... don't judge another person... unless you have walked a mile in their shoes.. do you even know me at all ? no, you don't except from the few things i write on a thread not very much at all i don't try to dissect you you say ,"no offense..."... but yet i always feel like you are trying to dissect me.... have you ever even had a conversation with me ? do you know any of my personal business ? no, you don't ...you don't know me at all and why is it sooo important to you that every time i have seen you in the threads... you never once commend me, you always come in to differ with me.... to try to point out what you think are my flaws??? man...this is not right you must stay up all night trying to think of ways to put me down |
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I hope nobody dies in prison
i don't care if evil people die in prison...
more tax dollars for those who actually deserve it
No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here? I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me? I don't know what that makes you dragoness and i really do not care if evil people die in prison and i hope more of them go there to help rid the streets of the monsters who roam them i am not the judge and neither are you and like the saying goes... don't judge another person... unless you have walked a mile in their shoes.. do you even know me at all ? no, you don't except from the few things i write on a thread not very much at all i don't try to dissect you you say ,"no offense..."... but yet i always feel like you are trying to dissect me.... have you ever even had a conversation with me ? do you know any of my personal business ? no, you don't ...you don't know me at all and why is it sooo important to you that every time i have seen you in the threads... you never once commend me, you always come in to differ with me.... to try to point out what you think are my flaws??? man...this is not right you must stay up all night trying to think of ways to put me down Whoa, betsy. I said no offense and meant no offense. I see a hypocrisy in the philosophy, if you do not then cool by you. I don't know you and we can leave it at that. |
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Im not a sadist.
Like most people are.
I would like to fix this problem
you know how you fix this problem, with a razor sharp knife. You cut their throat an let them bleed to death. Then they will feal at least a portion of the pain they caused that child. I know I sound brutal but I have my reasons. I agree You are brutal and you cant reason 
Actualy my reasoning is better then most people I know. I am so unforgiving in this matter becouse my 5yr old niece, my god daughter, was molested and raped by her "father", I use that term loosly for this pri*ck, So do not assume anything about me. If I have a certain view on somthing and it seems extream then I almost alway have a dam good reason. |
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 Its all the governments fault
Their arrogance and greed has brought this upon our children
Mirror, please. You are driving me nuts! Lindyy
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.  
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain!
Lindyy
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain!
Lindyy
{{{{{ <<<<< Hi my dear Sister Lindyy >>>>> }}}}}
so much going on in the real world... 
i've been taking a much needed break
from the threads... 
just stopping by for a flash
to share some love with my true friends
& to comment to some others
who seem to thrive on negativity & criticising others 
whom they don't even have the foggiest clue of,
nor will they ever even have the slightest clue of
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I hope nobody dies in prison
i don't care if evil people die in prison...
more tax dollars for those who actually deserve it
No offense intended here but is this the christian way of thinking, no abortion cause it is murder but death to anyone who may or may not be guilty of a crime, where is the forgiveness of christianity and the redeption of a lost soul in this whole thing here? I was a victim of child molestation but I do not wish death on the perpetrator. So what does that make me? I don't know what that makes you dragoness and i really do not care if evil people die in prison and i hope more of them go there to help rid the streets of the monsters who roam them i am not the judge and neither are you and like the saying goes... don't judge another person... unless you have walked a mile in their shoes.. do you even know me at all ? no, you don't except from the few things i write on a thread not very much at all i don't try to dissect you you say ,"no offense..."... but yet i always feel like you are trying to dissect me.... have you ever even had a conversation with me ? do you know any of my personal business ? no, you don't ...you don't know me at all and why is it sooo important to you that every time i have seen you in the threads... you never once commend me, you always come in to differ with me.... to try to point out what you think are my flaws??? man...this is not right you must stay up all night trying to think of ways to put me down Whoa, betsy. I said no offense and meant no offense. I see a hypocrisy in the philosophy, if you do not then cool by you. I don't know you and we can leave it at that.
my name is not betsy...
i have a quote for you to contemplate
and then i am done with speaking with you
for all of eternity.....
Dare Greatly
It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Citizenship in a Republic," Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910 |
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain!
Lindyy
Dream on. Here's some Orbison for ya! Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSddgYKtPBE |
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain!
Lindyy
Dream on. Here's some Orbison for ya! Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSddgYKtPBE {{{{{ <<<<< Mountain Hiker >>>> }}}}}
thank you Sweetie
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I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways.
Hey, I love the picture of Senator McCain! Soon to be President McCain!
Lindyy
Dream on. Here's some Orbison for ya! Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSddgYKtPBE {{{{{ <<<<< Mountain Hiker >>>> }}}}}
thank you Sweetie
No problem! God bless Roy Orbison!
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