Topic: Cool !!! Obama disagrees with High Court !!!
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Wed 06/25/08 10:00 PM
I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways. :angry: mad

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Wed 06/25/08 10:07 PM
Edited by Rapunzel on Wed 06/25/08 10:08 PM

I'm sure a lifetime in a pound-'em-in-the-ass prison will teach them the errors of their ways. :angry: mad



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Wed 06/25/08 10:15 PM
I have heard, during the course of my career and the different attorneys that have crossed my path, that inmates do not take kindly to child molesters.

Now, obama, seems to flip flop around a lot on this issue. But obama is, without doubt, in great FAVOR of the death penalty as revealed in the article contained herein.

BUT what I really want to point out is that everyone jumped all over President Bush when he signed the execution orders for the death penalty for inmates that committed crimes severe enough to put them in "death row" when he was Governor of Texas.

Now, turn about fair play? obama is for the death penalty. May I jump all over obama? What is good for the goose is good for the gander they say...............................shall the bashing begin?

I, myself, am not sure how I feel about the death penalty.

But to back up President Bush's decision to sign the execution orders, I will quote from his personal testimony regarding his faith as to why he supports the death sentence. (I must add here that Al Gore did not provide a written testimony to the founder of a national WEB devotional site who asked Both President Bush and Al Gore, who both asserted that they are Christians, for a written statement.)

"...The death penalty is a difficult issue for supporters as well as its opponents. I have reverence for life; my faith teaches that life is a gift from our Creator. In a perfect world, life is given by God and only taken by God. I hope someday our society will respect life, the full spectrum of life, from the unborn to the elderly. I hope someday unborn children will be protected by law and welcomed in life. I support the death penalty because I believe, if administered swiftly and justly, capital punishment is a deterrent against future violence and will save other innocent lives. Some advocates of life will challenge why I oppose abortion yet support the deth penalty. 'TO ME, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INNOCENCE:heart: AND GUILT.devil ;'"

President Bush, I am very proud to have you as a 'Brother in the Lord Jesus Christ.':heart:

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 06/25/08 10:49 PM
:smile: Someone should be mature about this issue and take a closer look at it and figure out a way to solve the problem :smile:

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Wed 06/25/08 10:50 PM



:heart: I hope nobody dies in prison :heart:






noway i don't care if evil people die in prison...noway



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flowerforyou I dont want my tax dollars imprisoning peopleflowerforyou A lot of those people inprison are innocent or they didnt get a fair trial.flowerforyou The system is brokeflowerforyou


you are right to a certain point, many innocent people have gone to prison and that is a very terrible thing, however on the other side many horrible criminals have been released. I agree with you that the justice system is flawed, it is built on mass society and is manipulated and misused by those in power, therefore it is really no wonder why that system is so very flawed, because human beings make mistakes even at the best intentions and there are very few that genuinely care about justice and the common good and some would argue that these things are perspectives rather than concrete truths. i doubt it will have a significant change soon because mass society is apathetic, isolated and disenfranchised. the death sentence is a delicate balance to keep because either extreme brings destruction and chaos. I definitely agree with Obama here are a few quotes to ponder that i believe are relevant:

"the reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therfore all progress depends one the unreasonable man" -George Bernard Shaw

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." - Albert Einstein

"When you think of the long and gloomy history of man, you will find more hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than have ever been committed in the name of rebellion."- C. P. Snow

"Murder is unique in that it abolishes the party it injures, so that society has to take the place of the victim and on his behalf demand atonement or grant forgiveness; it is the one crime in which society has a direct interest." W. H. Auden

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments."- William H. Borah


MsCarmen's photo
Wed 06/25/08 11:10 PM
I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?

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Wed 06/25/08 11:24 PM

I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?




I'm so sorry to hear that.flowerforyou :cry: And I agree with you in some countries they actually do that.

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Wed 06/25/08 11:27 PM


I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?




I'm so sorry to hear that.flowerforyou :cry: And I agree with you in some countries they actually do that.


Thank you flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 06/25/08 11:38 PM
glasses Its all the governments fault glasses

flowerforyou Their arrogance and greed has brought this upon our childrenflowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 06/25/08 11:39 PM
:smile: Im not a sadist.:smile:

:smile: Like most people are.:smile:

:smile: I would like to fix this problem :smile:

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Thu 06/26/08 12:02 AM

:smile: Im not a sadist.:smile:

:smile: Like most people are.:smile:

:smile: I would like to fix this problem :smile:


you know how you fix this problem, with a razor sharp knife. You cut their throat an let them bleed to death. Then they will feal at least a portion of the pain they caused that child. I know I sound brutal but I have my reasons.

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Thu 06/26/08 12:03 AM

I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?


I'm also a victim, I've served 48 years of my life sentance, imposed on my because I was a little boy under the control of a pervert. Every Thursday at 2:00 pm I spend an hour with a PTSD Theropist. He got out of County Jail after 30 days.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 06/26/08 12:37 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 06/26/08 12:38 AM


:smile: Im not a sadist.:smile:

:smile: Like most people are.:smile:

:smile: I would like to fix this problem :smile:


you know how you fix this problem, with a razor sharp knife. You cut their throat an let them bleed to death. Then they will feal at least a portion of the pain they caused that child. I know I sound brutal but I have my reasons.
:smile: I agreeflowerforyou You are brutal and you cant reason laugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 06/26/08 12:39 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 06/26/08 12:48 AM
frown Its hopelessohwell


ohwell You people will never solve the problemfrown

flowerforyou You just want another excuse to be sadistic ohwell

ohwell And thats why your children continue to suffer ohwell

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 06/26/08 01:58 AM
:smile: I dont got to talk tough to prove anything.:smile:

laugh It makes me wonder what some of you guys are trying to cover uplaugh

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 06/26/08 01:59 AM
laugh laugh Methinks thou dost protest too much laugh laugh

crimsonphoenix's photo
Thu 06/26/08 02:27 AM

:smile: Im not a sadist.:smile:

:smile: Like most people are.:smile:

:smile: I would like to fix this problem :smile:


i am generally not a sadist and would like to solve this problem too but the people would have to not be isolated by difference and bitterness, they would have to decied whats best and come up with a new better system. its unlikely that it will ever hap anytime soon though. sad



I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?


I'm also a victim, I've served 48 years of my life sentance, imposed on my because I was a little boy under the control of a pervert. Every Thursday at 2:00 pm I spend an hour with a PTSD Theropist. He got out of County Jail after 30 days.


I am very sorry that that happened to you, it must have been very terrible and they deserve punishment for what they have, defintly more then what they've got. flowerforyou

Rapunzel's photo
Thu 06/26/08 08:40 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 06/26/08 08:55 AM

I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?




sad My heart cries uncontrollably brokenheart for you my Precious sad

:heart: Dear Dear Lady :heart: ...Love and comfort to you always :heart:


flowerforyou and the peace that passes all understanding flowerforyou

:heart: that calm & peace in the eye of the storm for you :heart:

sad and for all those who have suffered sad
brokenheart and who do suffer this horrible nightmare brokenheart

not only while it is happening...:cry:
but for the rest of their lives, sad


unless something very very serious explode
is done now and forever drinker
to make them pay for their destruction ...devil

to protect our sisters and brothers :heart:
and put an end drinker

to this mental, emotional :cry:
and physical slaughter of the innocent sad





Rapunzel's photo
Thu 06/26/08 09:01 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 06/26/08 09:13 AM


I will never understand the reasoning behind this decision. Speaking as a child rape victim, I have to live out a lifetime sentence of the horror that was done to me. I wished from the day it started (it lasted for 5 years straight from the time I was 8 years old til I was 13) that he would die. Instead, he got 18 months in prison.

It's been 29 years since it started and the laws have changed somewhat, but how fair is it that a child rapist can get out of jail after they serve a 5, 10, or even 25 year sentence and go on to live a "normal" life while the victim has to suffer for the rest of his/her life. The constant horrific memories of a touch, a smell or even silence are embedded in our minds and we are forced to live out a life time sentence of those memories. It never goes away, and it will never go away. When will they see that the death penalty is the only justice for this horrific crime?


I'm also a victim, I've served 48 years of my life sentance, imposed on my because I was a little boy under the control of a pervert. Every Thursday at 2:00 pm I spend an hour with a PTSD Theropist. He got out of County Jail after 30 days.



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Rapunzel's photo
Thu 06/26/08 09:17 AM
Edited by Rapunzel on Thu 06/26/08 09:17 AM

I have heard, during the course of my career and the different attorneys that have crossed my path, that inmates do not take kindly to child molesters.

Now, obama, seems to flip flop around a lot on this issue. But obama is, without doubt, in great FAVOR of the death penalty as revealed in the article contained herein.

BUT what I really want to point out is that everyone jumped all over President Bush when he signed the execution orders for the death penalty for inmates that committed crimes severe enough to put them in "death row" when he was Governor of Texas.

Now, turn about fair play? obama is for the death penalty. May I jump all over obama? What is good for the goose is good for the gander they say...............................shall the bashing begin?

I, myself, am not sure how I feel about the death penalty.

But to back up President Bush's decision to sign the execution orders, I will quote from his personal testimony regarding his faith as to why he supports the death sentence. (I must add here that Al Gore did not provide a written testimony to the founder of a national WEB devotional site who asked Both President Bush and Al Gore, who both asserted that they are Christians, for a written statement.)

"...The death penalty is a difficult issue for supporters as well as its opponents. I have reverence for life; my faith teaches that life is a gift from our Creator. In a perfect world, life is given by God and only taken by God. I hope someday our society will respect life, the full spectrum of life, from the unborn to the elderly. I hope someday unborn children will be protected by law and welcomed in life. I support the death penalty because I believe, if administered swiftly and justly, capital punishment is a deterrent against future violence and will save other innocent lives. Some advocates of life will challenge why I oppose abortion yet support the deth penalty. 'TO ME, IT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INNOCENCE:heart: AND GUILT.devil ;'"

President Bush, I am very proud to have you as a 'Brother in the Lord Jesus Christ.':heart:

Lindyy
:heart: :heart:




flowerforyou thank you, dear Lindyy for stopping by and for this message...flowerforyou


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