try it sometime funch every drop or molecule of color you add to another produces a different color ad infinitum, as to number's yes they are mans tool and serve a purpose but while in this body and with this mind - man could keep attaining a larger or smaller number. in truth - there only infinite as long as someone is here to use them or on other planes if they are used there also - as would be the case with colors also - so your correct in that sense.

Go Ahead. Torch them. I will give you all of mine. My faith would still stand strong. Even if I wasn't able to pass Jesus' my story on to my son, to late though I already did, or chose never to speak of it again to him, I strongly believe that God would reviel himself to my son in His own way, in His own time, in a very personal level to my son, in which my son would not or could not deny there is a God.

thnx cherub, be right over with the flame thrower -

colors are limited by the visible light that splits into and forms the spectrum...since a spectrum has a beginning and an end then how can colors therefore be infinite ..

also one could keep counting forever ..but without a reality to apply the counting to the numbers doesn't have an existence

ahhh my mistake i should have said subtractive colors nt additve colors. as to the rest i have already agreed in last post as to yes there has to be something someone for it to be truly infinite. re read - or -

in truth - there only infinite (as long as someone is here to use them or on other planes if they are used there also) - as would be the case with colors also - "so your correct in that sense."

hahaha you like to debate even when you've won

Where I work, I have had the pleasure of getting to know a very large group of several older generations. I tend to group them in about 10 year increments.

So.. there are those in their 50's who are becoming aware, through personal loss, of their mortality.

In the 60's there are those who are suffering through the sudden death or the incapacitation of a long term partner.

In the 70's group, when you see a couple together who are still tender and affectionate after 50 years together you know how much love has passed between them.

In the group of the 80's are the single people. Those whose long time partners, and even some children are gone. Those whose partners they could no longer care for and they were forced to place the home of their heart in the hands of others.

In the 90's I see people whose children and grandchildren help them get out and experience the world in a little store where they can talk to the help - (me) and tell them how much they appreciate and love those that helped them that day.

I can not fathom that for ALL THE LANGUAGE (I'll be with her again in heaven - We will meed again when I die - he waits for me and we will share our place in heaven - she's in a bettern place and I will join her there)

Do you really think that all that love can go away? Do you really think that if death took you to a place in which those you loved most in life, were never to be seen or expereinced again, that you would WANT to be there?

How much sense does that make?

I like to think that there's is no division of Heaven or Hell. Everyone go to the same place, it just that those enlighten see it as Heaven while those that are blinded by ignorance, hate and of self delusion see it as Hell.

I wish you knew how unnecessarily hateful this post is. I hope that you someday find peace in your beliefs so that you no longer feel you must belittle the beliefs of others.

Christianity can't be true. It's not a matter of whether or not a person would like to believe it. It simply can't be true, because if it was true, it would have to be false!

In other words, it's a totally inconsistent logical contradiction.

If there is a God, then God's love would have to be truly unconditional.

We can't have an egotistical God casting people into hell just because they refuse to believe a poorly written book.

Such a God would be totally unjust and that flies in the face of what the book claims that God must be.

So the book is impossibly corrupt in illogical. It can't be true.

It's not a matter of trying to believe in it. The book is a lie. Period.

All human beings go to the same place when they die.

Either there is a true God who has truly unconditional love or there is no God at all.

If the Bible is true, then the creature who is behind it is a demented cruel demon and can't possible be referred as a 'God'. To bow down and worship such a demon would be an act of desperation in a feeble and most likely fruitless attempt to try to avoid it's wrath.

A truly loving God can have no wrath.

The bible can be from any God.

It's a terribly hateful story.

And the first thing that Christians will say is, "But you just don't understand it!"

BINGO! Oxymoron time!

If I misunderstand the bible, then God can't blame me for rejecting what appears to me to be an extremely hateful and heartless picture of a God.

God would have no choice but to accept me into his heaven right along with all the other non-believers.

After all, if our understand of the bible is wrong then God isn't a hateful idiot.

So he's not going to act like an egotistical pissed off moron and cast us into hell.

That's the whole point!

Either God is a jerk, like the bible says, or he's not.

If he's not, then the bible is a LIE, and God will be just tickled pink with non-believers for not believing the terrible ugly picture that they thought the bible was portraying.

Non-believers are 100% safe from God's wrath. Because an angry God who would unjustly cast them into hell would only PROVE that the non-believers were RIGHT all along! He's would be an evil demon just like the bible says!

It can't be true no matter which way you cut it. It an unsalvageable self-contradicting mythology.

I'm not belittling anyone's beliefs Spider. I'm just telling you why an ancient mythology can't possibly be true.

I'm also not about to apologize to believers because the proselytizers of Christianity have never apologized to me for treating my beliefs as thought they are completely without merit.

The bible can't possibly be true. That's just a fact. Period. That's my belief. And I have facts to back it up.

You need help. I mean that. You also need a dictionary, look up the word "Belittle".

belittle

I know that I belittle the bible.

But that's not the same as belittling your 'beliefs'.

If you say, "But I believe in the Bible"

I'll just say, "I thought you believed in God?"

Also, I believe in evolution.

But you belittle the theory of evolution.

Is that the same as belittling my belief?

I don't think so. You can belittle the theory of evolution to your hearts content.

It doesn't bother me. I still believe in evolution.

I believe it...what does that mean?

Ok you win. I'm imperfect.

We all make mistakes Spider. I apologize for using poor wording.

However, it is true that I believe it is foolish to believe that the bible can be the word of God.

Christians are always accusing me of 'rejecting God'.

They don't need to tell me that they think I'm foolish.

Anyone would be foolish for rejecting a God.

You don't like the fact that I vehemently hate the bible.

Yes, it's true, I do. I hate it.

It is responsible for ruining my life.

It's also responsible for a lot of civil unrest in the world.

It's responsible for a lot of hate that I see going on around me.

I hate the bible, and the religion that supports it.

I hate them both.

It's not God I hate. God had nothing to do with it.

God would never be associated with such a terrible thing.

This I believe.

It's not just me.

I've met literally hundreds of people who have been emotionally damaged by this religion.

How can a religion that is supposedly from God by so emotionally damaging to so many people?

It can't be from God. It's that simple.

Historically people used to stone people to death because of this religion.

In Jesus' day they were still doing it if you can believe the story of Jesus.

This means that the biblical God was allowing people to stone other people to death for millennia prior to the birth of Jesus.

Not only that, but if people were still stoning sinners in Jesus day you can rest assured that they didn't stop just because Jesus said to. Information would take a long time to get around for one thing. And then how many people are going to believe in the story of Jesus anyway? Clearly the Jews didn't, and they were the ones who were still stoning sinners to death. Who knows when it finally quit. Obviously the Jews quit stoning people to death for some other reason. Not because Jesus said to quit.

So why do I bring this up?

To illustrate that the biblical religion had people stoning sinners to death!

I don't believe that God would want that. Clearly Jesus didn't want that.

How could Jesus be the same God who told people to do that in the first place?

The amount of contradictions in this book is overwhelming Spider.

How can you possibly believe in such foolishness?

This time I said it in a socially acceptable way as a question.

Historically people used this religion to burn heathens at the stake.

They used it to denounce science (and continue to use it to denounce science to this very day)

The people who follow this religion have never demonstrated good behaviors as societies.

Look at the early Americans, the vast majority have Christian heritage.

They totally disrespected the native Indians and called them heathen savages.

They enslaved an entire culture of African slaves.

The totally disrespected the environment of the land they stole from natives.

And then they produced a totally greedy civilization based on mammon.

You'll probably say, "But they didn't do what the Bible says to do!"

So what?

First off, in the case of the heathens, the Bible says that God doesn't care about heathens.

Secondly, if the people who follow this religion don't truly follow it then what good is it?

It's had it's chance in America and look what it produced.

It even used to be prominent in schools and public arenas.

Yet it never instilled good morals in anyone. Certainly not on mass scales.

It's a useless religion that never produced any positive results.

People just use it to support bigotry and to claim that anyone who doesn't believe it is rejecting God.

I make no apologies for hating it to death. I hope it dies ASAP.

If my posts help contribute to its death I will have done a good thing.

"tribo" it's you that refused to believe that infinity doesn't exist but is only a term used to describe the vastness of something and you keep trying to sneak references in to show that infinity does exist

for example you keep saying that in truth colors and numbers are only infinite if there is someone here or in another plane of existence to used them ..but that makes no diffeence when it comes to numbers because without a reality to count and apply the numbers too the person counting may as well be babbling and of course the colors are limited to the range of the visible light of the spectrum and anything limited can not be infinite

so the bottom line is that numbers and colors are not infinite

How did it do that?

Come, come funches

Perhaps you are looking at infinity with a limited mind.

Lets suppose scientist build a spaceship with a propulsion system powered by a small nuclear reactor. Now, the spaceship is travelling in an almost vacuumless environment of space, and the propulsion system does not increase the speed of the ship at a lightning speed, but the increase is continuous and steady!
I'm going to make up some numbers now but you should get the idea.
Lets say when the propulsion system kicks in the ship is traveling at 10,000 mph. With zero vacuum, every 12 hrs the ships speed increases speed by 60%. That means after the first 12 hrs the ship is travelling at 16,000 mph. After 12 more hrs it increases speed another 60%. Now its travelling at 25,600 mph. another 12 hrs, 40,960 mph, etc, etc, etc,.
Lets suppose the ship has enough nuclear fuel to continue to do this for 100 yrs. By using the gravitational pull of other planets and a computer system that can detect the pull, shutting off the propulsion system when not needed it can extend the fuel supply even longer.
How fast is it going when it finally runs out of fuel? Did it stop increasing in speed when the known numbering system stopped just because no one was around to count anymore? Couldn't you continue to make up new scientific notations as you needed them?
Now, suppose the ship is out of fuel, no propulsion but in Zero gravity it continues to coast at the speed it was going, or maybe it continues to speed up. How far will it travel? Will it stop when man runs out of numbers? Does the ship care that man runs out of numbers? Is there an unknown wall at the end of space that the ship will crash into and stop?
If you can answer any of these questions then I'll join you in your definition that infinity doesn't exist. If you can answer any of these questions then I'm sure NASA has a job opening for you. Because you see, the propulsion system and the ship I'm talking about is very close to reality.

Or,
Lets go the other way.
Take the number 10 divide by two. Equals 5, right?
Divide by two. equals 2.5, right?
Divide by two. Equals 1.25, divide by two, equals .625, etc, etc, etc, When will it equal zero?


My guess, you could go on and on and on for the rest of your life and never equal zero. You could name a lot of unknowns for the world though!

god luck fanta, been down this road before, your wasting your time, funch is really the energizer bunny - hahaha - he keeps going and going and going and going ------------------------------

he's only here to prove how ""logical"" he thinks he's being as compared to other's - right funch? post all you want - i wont respond to you ever again -

"Spidercmb" it appears that it is your belief that "belittles" others when it promise the followers that all others that do not believe will be tortured for an eternity ...doesn't that sounds hateful