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Rapunzel
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 Can someone answer this question?
Who is the enemies of the Chrisians, (specifically the Evangelical Christians)and why ???
The athiests, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, panthiests, and on and on. They hate Jesus Christ and the Lord God Almighty. They prefer the spirit of satan. this is just a proof of what is known as CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM. for people like this individual the whole christianity suffers. If the whole christianity were like this, I promise to each one of you that I would not be a christian at all. < Oh, and if anyone quotes me... please include my whole message , not just parts of it...> I know many people who have different viewpoints some of us call ourselves Christians and some do not necessarily call themselves Christians... but they do not denounce Christ Either... They read The Word of God , The Bible and they read other Wise Teachings They incorporate many truths & beliefs to their entire repertoire of faith, as i do and have done all my life... and although the philosophy may not live up to another's idea of what a Christian should be or not be... We are good honest loving people and always have been kind hearted people who walk in the Light ... we have to individually stand up to God I believe one Day and give an account of our lives... for what we did or didn't do for what we do or don't do... no one is perfect... and only God is the true Judge... i try to live by the philosophy of " To thine own self be true..." it doesn't matter what others think .. we all have varied beliefs none of the people i mentioned above whether they admit Christianity or not.. < None > of them pay homage to Satan 
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Can someone answer this question?
Who is the enemies of the Chrisians, (specifically the Evangelical Christians)and why ???
The athiests, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, panthiests, and on and on. They hate Jesus Christ and the Lord God Almighty. They prefer the spirit of satan. this is just a proof of what is known as CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM. for people like this individual the whole christianity suffers. If the whole christianity were like this, I promise to each one of you that I would not be a christian at all. I know many people who have different viewpoints some of us call ourselves Christians and some do not necessarily call themselves Christians... but they do not denounce Christ Either... They read The Word of God , The Bible and they read other Wise Teachings They incorporate many truths & beliefs to their entire repertoire of faith, as i do and have done all my life... and although the philosophy may not live up to another's idea of what a Christian should be or not be... We are good honest loving people and always have been kind hearted people who walk in the Light ... we have to individually stand up for what we did or didn't do in life to thine own self be true... and even tho we have varied beliefs none of us, whom I spoke of, pay homage to Satan then is it logical or even fair to assume that those who say nothing pay homage to 'whomever' because we may not particularly agree 100%??? but loved your last paragraph we have to individually stand up for what we did or didn't do in life to thine own self be true... and even tho we have varied beliefs |
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Can someone answer this question?
Who is the enemies of the Chrisians, (specifically the Evangelical Christians)and why ???
The athiests, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, panthiests, and on and on. They hate Jesus Christ and the Lord God Almighty. They prefer the spirit of satan. this is just a proof of what is known as CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM. for people like this individual the whole christianity suffers. If the whole christianity were like this, I promise to each one of you that I would not be a christian at all. I know many people who have different viewpoints some of us call ourselves Christians and some do not necessarily call themselves Christians... but they do not denounce Christ Either... They read The Word of God , The Bible and they read other Wise Teachings They incorporate many truths & beliefs to their entire repertoire of faith, as i do and have done all my life... and although the philosophy may not live up to another's idea of what a Christian should be or not be... We are good honest loving people and always have been kind hearted people who walk in the Light ... we have to individually stand up for what we did or didn't do in life to thine own self be true... and even tho we have varied beliefs none of us, whom I spoke of, pay homage to Satan then is it logical or even fair to assume that those who say nothing pay homage to 'whomever' because we may not particularly agree 100%??? <i'm not quite grasping what you are asking???> but loved your last paragraph we have to individually stand up for what we did or didn't do in life to thine own self be true... and even tho we have varied beliefs i was still editing... 
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" To thine own self be true..." it doesn't matter what others think .. we all have varied beliefs none of the people i mentioned above whether they admit Christianity or not.. < None > of them pay homage to Satan Thank you! 
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" To thine own self be true..." it doesn't matter what others think .. we all have varied beliefs none of the people i mentioned above whether they admit Christianity or not.. < None > of them pay homage to Satan
Thank you!
and also the < None > which you didn't mention dont necessarily pay homage to satan |
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My people are Destroyed for Lack of Knowledge. How true. The shepard has taken the rod and used it for his own good. Power. A pharassacal concept the christian ministers have taught as truth. The sheep that follow have just been programmed to certain phrases is how u tell good from evil. What you see is the blind following the blind.i would prefer any type paganistic philosiphy that is in the open and has not been indoctrinated into mind control over the believer who will follow and accept the teachings of men as has been through the ages as the cross is a symbol of death not life. To where thier majority still carries the badge of the cross in which "with this sign conguer" is the battle theme as we still see it as they feel they must convert for if you don't then u will die so is it better for you to die an early death that the supreme may have mercy on u then. Let the pure at heart see the rules of Messiah that have been long lost....Miles
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" To thine own self be true..." it doesn't matter what others think .. we all have varied beliefs none of the people i mentioned above whether they admit Christianity or not.. < None > of them pay homage to Satan Thank you!
 You are very welcome Karma Fury
 I think that deep down inside we are all very similar
 There are enough things to divide us & separate us...
We need to love one another
& remove the walls that divide us
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" To thine own self be true..." it doesn't matter what others think .. we all have varied beliefs none of the people i mentioned above whether they admit Christianity or not.. < None > of them pay homage to Satan Thank you!
and also the < None > which you didn't mention dont necessarily pay homage to satan Hi Dragoness
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My people are Destroyed for Lack of Knowledge. How true. The shepard has taken the rod and used it for his own good. Power. A pharassacal concept the christian ministers have taught as truth. The sheep that follow have just been programmed to certain phrases is how u tell good from evil. What you see is the blind following the blind.i would prefer any type paganistic philosiphy that is in the open and has not been indoctrinated into mind control over the believer who will follow and accept the teachings of men as has been through the ages as the cross is a symbol of death not life. To where thier majority still carries the badge of the cross in which "with this sign conguer" is the battle theme as we still see it as they feel they must convert for if you don't then u will die so is it better for you to die an early death that the supreme may have mercy on u then. Let the pure at heart see the rules of Messiah that have been long lost....Miles <<< Miles >>>
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I am once again amazed at the callousness on both sides of this arguement, but at least the atheist and pagans are nice about it. You know why christians are seemingly persecuted everywhere? Because they have no tolerance for other religions, just like the muslims are perceived as being.
Never mind that Jesus himself warned every christian that they would be persecuted everywhere. That is almost always ignored. Enemies of christians were listed here. We are christians, we are supposed to know no enemies. God is supposed to take care of our enemies, we are to set our table for them (that means invite them to your home). God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. Jesus also spoke in parables, always. He did not intend for everyone to "follow him," as an icon. That violates commandment #1, place no gods before me. What he meant, or was misinterpreted about, was follow my example, live as I do (did), and you will be just before god's throne when judgement comes. Acceptance, tolerance, understanding, compassion, patience, humility, these are the traits of a christian. And are even preached against in churches. I heard a minister derail liberalism and talk about how we need to fight against liberals. The definition of liberal contains 3 of the afor mentioned traits. I've been to churches that have "gift shops." If that's not money trading in the temple I don't know what is. So before we christians get on our high and mighty horse and condemn our pagan, wiccan, and pantheiest brothers and sisters (oh, by the way, just because they don't believe doesn't mean they aren't your brothers and sisters in god's eyes), we might want to shore up our own houses first. What the original premise of this arguement was is that we as a constituency to our own beliefs, have let the powerful of the church influence away from god's teachings. It was correct. Robertson, Falwell, even the Rev. Al Sharpton have all been leading their flocks astray. Those that believe in the end times might remember that we were warned of charletons masqarading as teachers of the faith, and might consider the person they are getting their preaching from. I live in Kansas, I got that nut case in Topeka (Phelps) that pickets funerals of servicemen and women whose caskets are returned from Iraq. Very christian in the way he says "god killed them because he hates America" for allowing homosexuals to have a voice in society. These are the voices of christianity that get heard. The media deride the fakes, and we as christians don't stand up against their venomous speeches, making us just as guilty as non-believing sections of society that do, and then have the gall to complain that we are being persecuted. |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Wed 06/11/08 10:25 AM
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there are good and bad
in every group of people, Jamie, 
you know that...
just because there may be a few bad apples in the bushel... 
that doesn't make the entire bushel bad...
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I am once again amazed at the callousness on both sides of this arguement, but at least the atheist and pagans are nice about it. You know why christians are seemingly persecuted everywhere? Because they have no tolerance for other religions, just like the muslims are perceived as being. Never mind that Jesus himself warned every christian that they would be persecuted everywhere. That is almost always ignored. Enemies of christians were listed here. We are christians, we are supposed to know no enemies. God is supposed to take care of our enemies, we are to set our table for them (that means invite them to your home). God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. Jesus also spoke in parables, always. He did not intend for everyone to "follow him," as an icon. That violates commandment #1, place no gods before me. What he meant, or was misinterpreted about, was follow my example, live as I do (did), and you will be just before god's throne when judgement comes. Acceptance, tolerance, understanding, compassion, patience, humility, these are the traits of a christian. And are even preached against in churches. I heard a minister derail liberalism and talk about how we need to fight against liberals. The definition of liberal contains 3 of the afor mentioned traits. I've been to churches that have "gift shops." If that's not money trading in the temple I don't know what is. So before we christians get on our high and mighty horse and condemn our pagan, wiccan, and pantheiest brothers and sisters (oh, by the way, just because they don't believe doesn't mean they aren't your brothers and sisters in god's eyes), we might want to shore up our own houses first. What the original premise of this arguement was is that we as a constituency to our own beliefs, have let the powerful of the church influence away from god's teachings. It was correct. Robertson, Falwell, even the Rev. Al Sharpton have all been leading their flocks astray. Those that believe in the end times might remember that we were warned of charletons masqarading as teachers of the faith, and might consider the person they are getting their preaching from. I live in Kansas, I got that nut case in Topeka (Phelps) that pickets funerals of servicemen and women whose caskets are returned from Iraq. Very christian in the way he says "god killed them because he hates America" for allowing homosexuals to have a voice in society. These are the voices of christianity that get heard. The media deride the fakes, and we as christians don't stand up against their venomous speeches, making us just as guilty as non-believing sections of society that do, and then have the gall to complain that we are being persecuted. I like you!!
Thank you for that post, I am glad that you, TLW, and Rapunzel have come to this post and are giving Christianity a sound voice. I am a lot less frustrated after reading that. What was said earlier in regards to the enemies of Christianity really frosted me. Not because of who was named but because of the misconceptions placed upon those people. They are some of the nicest and caring people I know and to say that they are misguided by the spirit of Satan... 
Anyway. Thank you for the slice of reason from the Christianity side. To you, Rapunzel, and TLW! |
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Wed 06/11/08 10:35 AM
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I am once again amazed at the callousness on both sides of this arguement, but at least the atheist and pagans are nice about it. You know why christians are seemingly persecuted everywhere? Because they have no tolerance for other religions, just like the muslims are perceived as being. Never mind that Jesus himself warned every christian that they would be persecuted everywhere. That is almost always ignored. Enemies of christians were listed here. We are christians, we are supposed to know no enemies. God is supposed to take care of our enemies, we are to set our table for them (that means invite them to your home). God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. Jesus also spoke in parables, always. He did not intend for everyone to "follow him," as an icon. That violates commandment #1, place no gods before me. What he meant, or was misinterpreted about, was follow my example, live as I do (did), and you will be just before god's throne when judgement comes. Acceptance, tolerance, understanding, compassion, patience, humility, these are the traits of a christian. And are even preached against in churches. I heard a minister derail liberalism and talk about how we need to fight against liberals. The definition of liberal contains 3 of the afor mentioned traits. I've been to churches that have "gift shops." If that's not money trading in the temple I don't know what is. So before we christians get on our high and mighty horse and condemn our pagan, wiccan, and pantheiest brothers and sisters (oh, by the way, just because they don't believe doesn't mean they aren't your brothers and sisters in god's eyes), we might want to shore up our own houses first. What the original premise of this arguement was is that we as a constituency to our own beliefs, have let the powerful of the church influence away from god's teachings. It was correct. Robertson, Falwell, even the Rev. Al Sharpton have all been leading their flocks astray. Those that believe in the end times might remember that we were warned of charletons masqarading as teachers of the faith, and might consider the person they are getting their preaching from. I live in Kansas, I got that nut case in Topeka (Phelps) that pickets funerals of servicemen and women whose caskets are returned from Iraq. Very christian in the way he says "god killed them because he hates America" for allowing homosexuals to have a voice in society. These are the voices of christianity that get heard. The media deride the fakes, and we as christians don't stand up against their venomous speeches, making us just as guilty as non-believing sections of society that do, and then have the gall to complain that we are being persecuted. I like you!!
Thank you for that post, I am glad that you, TLW, and Rapunzel have come to this post and are giving Christianity a sound voice. I am a lot less frustrated after reading that. What was said earlier in regards to the enemies of Christianity really frosted me. Not because of who was named but because of the misconceptions placed upon those people. They are some of the nicest and caring people I know and to say that they are misguided by the spirit of Satan...
Anyway. Thank you for the slice of reason from the Christianity side. To you, Rapunzel, and TLW! Awwww...Rathil~_Thads and All of the Others.... 
Thank you so very much !!! That makes me cry
  Tears of Joy...
I am so weary & exhausted 
of debating philosophies 
& tired of reading other people
debate about philosophy & beliefs
i want to reach out to others...
& reinforce those things that make us one ,
rather than those things that separate us
& continue to break us in two....
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Rapunzel the day you isolate someone or make them feel like they don't belong, I'll eat the hat of the person with the sweatiest brow you know.
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God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. A Christian who calls God evil? Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God. |
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God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. A Christian who calls God evil? Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God. If I read it right he wasn't calling God Evil, He was saying God has evil in him. The two concepts are completely different. Although you have to admit that some of the things the old testament God did were pretty mean and vindictive for an all loving, all peaceful God. In order to have a perfect being it has to have balance and part of that is a balance between Good and Evil. That is why if people truly were made in Gods image they have the free will to choose good actions or evil actions. |
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They are made in his image. But they were cohersed in to eating of the tree that they were told not to. Then they had the knowlege. Of good and evil. Then choice was abundent of choosing evil not that they have to. But they did disobey out of curiousity as children do..Miles
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God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. A Christian who calls God evil? Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God. If I read it right he wasn't calling God Evil, He was saying God has evil in him. The two concepts are completely different. Although you have to admit that some of the things the old testament God did were pretty mean and vindictive for an all loving, all peaceful God. In order to have a perfect being it has to have balance and part of that is a balance between Good and Evil. That is why if people truly were made in Gods image they have the free will to choose good actions or evil actions. God cannot do evil, it's completely against God's character. We can debate the OT all day, but I DO NOT believe that God did anything evil in the OT. The ONLY way you can say that is if you ignore a great deal of context of the events. Although you have to admit that some of the things the old testament God did were pretty mean and vindictive for an all loving, all peaceful God. No shotgun arguments, okay? Please start a new thread and give one event that you think is "mean and vindictive" and I will respond. So on and so forth until you run out of events. |
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God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. A Christian who calls God evil? Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God. If I read it right he wasn't calling God Evil, He was saying God has evil in him. The two concepts are completely different. Although you have to admit that some of the things the old testament God did were pretty mean and vindictive for an all loving, all peaceful God. In order to have a perfect being it has to have balance and part of that is a balance between Good and Evil. That is why if people truly were made in Gods image they have the free will to choose good actions or evil actions. God cannot do evil, it's completely against God's character. We can debate the OT all day, but I DO NOT believe that God did anything evil in the OT. The ONLY way you can say that is if you ignore a great deal of context of the events. Although you have to admit that some of the things the old testament God did were pretty mean and vindictive for an all loving, all peaceful God. No shotgun arguments, okay? Please start a new thread and give one event that you think is "mean and vindictive" and I will respond. So on and so forth until you run out of events. Fair enought Spider, I will do that later. I would have given better examples here but I am at work currently and only have time for shorter responses. Didn't mean to shotgun that one.
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God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again. A Christian who calls God evil? Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God. Yes, I'm a christian, and I've read in the bible where the writers (which as I've read on here so many times are infallible) refer to an evil spirit of the Lord. God created all things, ergo he also created evil, not just good. He is supposedly omnipitant, which means he knew the end result of what he was about to create. According to our dogma, all of gods creations are good, but he created the angels, and Lucifer and demons as well, all creation flows from god. While in the garden, Adam and Eve lived with sin all around them. The tree was the tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. It wasn't the tree of evil. It was all good before we ate of that, we just didn't recognize the difference. So, straight logic dictates that our god also has an evil side, hmm just like some of those he created in his image. Literal interpreters, got to love the blinders. My interpretation was spot on, reread your Exodus, it is a direct quote (not a chapter verse quoter, sorry) "and God repented." If he repented, he was at fault or wrong, ergo not perfect. |
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