John McCain is firmly in lockstep with Bush Jr. on denying expanded educational benefits for veterans (new GI Bill):

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5790877.html

Congressional Republicans rebuke McCain on veterans bill:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/22/johnmccain.usa?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

You won't often see me praise Republicans, but in this case, I commend the 25 Republicans who had the courage to stand up for veterans and oppose Bush Jr. and John McCain.

More information:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/22/143242/649

This includes Norm Coleman(R) and Amy Klobachar(D) from my home state of Minnesota.

Here is the roll call, you can see how your senator voted:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00137

Did you hear what McCains pastor John Hagee said about the Holocaust?

Yes, he said Adolf Hitler was fulfilling God's will.

This was reported on the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/mccain-backer-hagee-said_n_102892.html

the former Vietnam prisoner of war has sponsored an updated GI Bill of his own. It provides post-9/11 vets with a larger monthly stipend than the Montgomery Bill, but retains the capped model. McCain's bill also offers larger benefits to troops serving beyond 12 years, encouraging retention.

"While I don't think anyone disagrees with the overall intent of S. 22," McCain said, "I believe we can and should do more to promote recruitment and retention of servicemen and women."


"I share concerns about retention in this time of war," said Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee and a veteran of World War II. "We cannot retain those who we can't recruit."


So McCain has a educational bill for veterans too. The first line of your thread boldly states MCCain is against expanded educatiional benefits for veterans

So McCain doesn't disagree with the overall intent of S22 - see above

And doesn't all job benefits come with years of work performance???

Looks like to me he is bringing up some points to ponder and would be open to compromise.

Well, I guess it speaks volumes that so many Republicans disagree with McCain.

MIRROR - HAGEE IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT IS NOT
SENATOR MCCAIN'S PASTOR.

If you insist that he is, you better come up with solid proof that Hagee is his pastor. I am fed up to you know where and back with these deceitful propagandist LIES.


Lindyy

well they are just trying to counter husseins pastor. there is a distinct difference here, hussein said that his pastor was his MENTOR, that is a strong word to use in regards to a person, and then try to say you didnt know his agenda, lol

That may be but McCain did seek his support.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4905624&page=1

Hagee has also called for the destruction of Islam, which I'm sure gets a warm reception in the Arab world.

SEEMS TO ME THAT I STARTED A THREAD ON THIS EARLY TODAY. THAT IS FINE, I WILL JUST 'GO WITH THE FLOW' AND REFER PEOPLE TO YOUR POST.

mnhiker - I feel quite confident in saying that JSH would appreciate truthfulness be posted in a thread.

Anyone having the slightest idea of Senator McCain’s military background has to know it is a blatant LIE to say that Senator McCain is against the ‘Post-9-11 GI Bill.’

Senator McCain was not present for the vote, and both Senator McCain and President Bush have valid reasons for not approving the ENTIRE bill - IT IS LOADED WITH MORE PORK, oh, but mnhiker could NEVER bring to light that factor, GOD FORBID the truth be told!

Ted Kennedy was not present either (shall we put him down because he has serious medical problems?) and Coburn (R-OK) was not present for the vote.

From IAVA:
"05/22/08: Overwhelming GI Bill Victory in Senate Today"


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, May 22, 2008
CONTACT: Michael Houston, IAVA (212) 982-9699 or michael@iava.org

Overwhelming GI Bill Victory in the Senate
World War II-Style GI Bill Passed as Part of War Supplemental

NEW YORK - Today, by an overwhelming 75-22 margin, the Senate passed the "Post-9/11 GI Bill" as part of the war SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING BILL (Emphasis - caps - by Lindyy). This bipartisan legislation, originally introduced by Senators Jim Webb (D-VA), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), and John Warner (R-VA), is whole-heartedly endorsed by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation's first and largest nonpartisan Iraq veterans' organization, and all the leading Veterans Service Organizations. See how every Senator voted here.

"This is a historic victory for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. After World War II, America made sure our troops coming home had the chance to go to college," said Paul Rieckhoff, Executive Director of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. "With Memorial Day just around the corner, our lawmakers renewed that promise and honored those who bravely serve this country."

Once the House and Senate versions of this legislation are reconciled, the next step is the President's desk. Despite broad support for the GI Bill, the president has threatened a veto of the entire emergency supplemental package, of which the GI Bill is a part.
"In passing this new GI Bill, the Senate and the House put partisan bickering aside to support the troops." ……….


Not Voting - 3
Kennedy (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10561.html
In the case of the GI bill, the Senate outcome makes it harder for Democrats to define the issue clearly without some further changes. Instead of standing on its own with the war money, the new benefit is lumped together with an estimated $10 billion in additional domestic spending. Democrats must now decide whether to PARE BACK THESE APPROPRIATIONS (emphasis - caps - by Lindyy) to accent the importance of the GI education issue.

Also, mnhiker, the one website you offered is a foreign site. You want US citizens to believe a foreign website?

Seems to

Lindyy

I haven't looked into the details of the bill, but I do know that McCain has been against Soldiers before.

Go check out how he treated the POW-MIA group during their chance to plead their case in front of the Senate Select Commitee on POW's.

Lindyy,

The fact remains that McCain and Bush Jr. will obstruct whatever bills come their way that they don't like, even against the wishes of their own Republcans, of whom the majority in the Senate voted for this bill.

McCain could have gone along with the majority, but, of course, that would go against the wishes of his Supreme Leader.

A vote for McCain is a vote to continue the Bush Administration policies which have brought our country to the brink of disaster.

I will say this, McCain is trying to distance himself from John Hagee, which I think is a wise move.

hiker, I am not going to tolerate your misconstrued, deliberately taken out of context fabrications.

When it comes to politics, you always have to take a spin and misconstrue the truth.


PORK, PORK, PORK, PORK, PORK, PORK.

That is the reason the President, thank you very much, as what you refer to as Bush is, in reality: PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, and the reason he is against the current pakage, because as you know very well hiker, that there is quite a bit of PORK in this bill, and you are making a half-hearted attempt to disquise this PORK to make President Bush and Senator McCain look bad.

TRUTH IS hiker EVERYONE KNOWS THAT President Bush and Senator Mc
Cain both, with all their heart, mind and soul, love the military and the military loves them!

NOW, if the name Bush were to be replaced by BILL CLINTON, then and only then would your post be considered just 'ok' as everyone knows Clinton hated the militry.

AND, you never answered my question about one of your 'web sites' being of a foreign country.


hiker, you MAKEUP 80% of what you post.
There is no intellectual and/or informative value in reading your posts, as by now you have proven yourself to be one who "follows and does what the CURRENT (location of any government leader is speaking) crowd (no matter how miniscule it is) does and wants.


HIKERS WORDS:
"The fact remains that McCain and Bush Jr. will obstruct whatever bills come their way that they don't like, even against the wishes of their own Republcans, of whom the majority in the Senate voted for this bill."

Well, hiker here are the statistics from WIKIPEIA - LIST OF UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL VETOES:

Reg. Pocket Total Vetoes
Vetoes Vetoes Vetoes Overriden

Franklin Roosevelt 372 263 635 9
Harry Truman 180 70 250 12
Dwight Eisenhower 73 108 181 2
John Kennedy 12 9 21 0
Lyndon Johnson 16 14 30 0
Richard Nixon 26 17 43 7
Gerald Ford 48 18 66 12
Jimmy Carter 13 18 31 2
Ronald Reagan 39 39 78 9
George H. W. Bush[2][3] 29 15 44 1
BILL CLINTON 36 1 37 2
GEORGE W. BUSH 9 1 10 2

Does everyone take note of the fact the PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, to date has only vetoed nine (9) bills!!!!!!!!

SO,hiker, would you kindly EXPLAIN (WITH PROVEN CITATIONS) where you got the following paragraph "The fact remains that McCain and Bush Jr. will obstruct whatever bills come their way that they don't like, even against the wishes of their own Republcans, of whom the majority in the Senate voted for this bill." These are mnhiker's words.

Lindyy
Tired of all the deception.

P.S. SORRY, my format for the table would not stay in 'form.'

First # is Regular vetoes
Second # is Pocket Vetoes
Third # Total Vetoes
Fourth # is Vetoes overridden

hiker, I think it would be WISE to keep up with the current news media. Senator John McCain has REFUSED to take Pastor Hagee's support.

Lindyy

Where is a full description of the bill as well as what Bush/ McCain disagreed with. It may not be much, but I was a Senator in my colleges student government and I know how the media can make things sound. There may be one thing wrong with the bill that a lot of people dont like. If an amendment for that bill doesn't go through then you will usually vote against it.

I like to have all the facts before I make a decision on something. Besides republicans are usually anti hand outs and I know that you can get an education in the military already. That being said, I would like to know the details.

So your saying a good senator doesnt make their own decision about a bill and just votes the way others vote?

So your saying a good senator doesnt make their own decision
about a bill and just votes the way others vote?


Chaz, go to www.iava.org

IAVA - Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America - Home IAVA is America's first and largest nonprofit, non-partisan advocacy organization for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
www.iava.org

ABOUT the way senators vote, you have to speak to mnhiker,
those are HIS words

Lindyy

If a soldier is out there fighting in Iraq and putting him or herself in harm's way, the least we can do is help them with good educational benefits when they get back, instead of playing politics and being cheapskates like John McCain and George Bush Jr.

It's a disgrace and dishonors our young men and women in uniform!

I'd like to know what someone who's recently been over there thinks about this.

I heard that!!

hiker:

I aM REALLY losing patience and understanding with you!!

Hiker, you know very well President BUSH is all for the funds for the military, BUT he is NOT going to let the leftie libbers toss in their PORK to appease those whom they have little 'behind closed doors' special "wants."

Did you bother to read my post about the amout of vetoes the last several Presidents have used, how many were overridden?

President Bush only has used 9 vetoes in 8 years of Presidency and only 1 (pocket veto) and only one veto overridden.


SO, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE YOU GET YOUR FIGURES AND INFORMATION TO PROVE HE ALWAYS VETOES EVERYTHING?????????????

I think it is time to start maturing.

Lindyy

Unless you can say exactly what the bill states, how it would change they education opportunities they already have, and what parts of the bill they didn't like and voted down then you are just talking out of your ass.

No one forced these people to join the military. They did it of their own free will. Military service has a lot of perks. Thats why I considered joining to work as an engineer. They already have education options as well.

Its not whether we should give them something or not, its whether we should give them more. You act like if we don't agree to give them more everytime someone else thinks we should that we don't support our troops. Well, what if someone comes along and says "These people fought in the war for our country. They all deserve to make $100k a month for every month they were there or training to go."

In that scenario if it passed then the government would soon run out of money.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with anyones vote, but you shouldn't just come on here and blow smoke and say how horrible it all is if you can't place the facts with it.