Wiley, Im an Independent, but I find the idea of such a thing as a conservative democrat to be the ultimate contradiction!!!

lol...yeah, it kinda is...but, out here, there are several of us. We walk to the beat of a different drummer

Maybe you meant to say you are a conservative Independent

Dragoness called me that earlier........

Yes, your an Independent American. Thats what we do, march to a different drummer.

I actually voted for Bush the first time.

I did not vote for him the first time but I did the socond

The war is a government issue and people really didn't have much of a say in it. They did however have a say in whether or not they bought a house and what house they bought.

War budget should be covered by taxes. Peoples mortgages should not.

I think I killed this thread....

Thank God for conservative Democrats and for conservative Republicans. We need 'em all!

Chazter, It says We the People of the United States!!!!!

What says we the people? Our loan contracts?

Actually it says,

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”

The Preamble does not grant any particular authority to the federal government and it does not prohibit any particular authority. What it does, is establish the fact that the federal government has no authority outside of what follows the preamble, as amended. "We the people", is one of the most-quoted sections of the Constitution. It was thought by Federalists during this time, that there was no need for a bill of rights and they thought that the preamble spelled out the people's rights.

Why arent you in Iraq or Afghanistan?

DRAFT.......... DRAFT..............

I know the preamble states that. I asking how that relates to the discussion at hand. You say we spend money on the war. Well the preamble says we the people provide for the common defense (war financing)

It doesn't say pay other peoples bills for them.

I wouldn't qualify for the draft. Probably the only perk of having a Chronic Inness.

Im joking!

Im against Iraq, but for Afghanistan.


This part,
insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,

See it now?

General welfare and paying others mortgages is not the same thing. Minimum wage helps promote the general welfare. It doesn't mean we give them money every time they mess up.

If the govt. bails people out then they never learn to take care of themselves.

It doesn't say Flush lives down the toilet.
There are a lot of wealthy people, born to it, and others who made it by taking advantage of people that aren't as smart or financially savoy as they are.

Why should they walk free with their superior attitudes while others suffer.
Keep in mind now that we aren't just talking about adults, but whole families. Mom, Dad, and children!
Keep in mind also that no one wins when mortgages are defaulted. Especially this large of a scale. The economy sure as hell doesn't.

These families did not get into trouble on their own. There were a lot of people who made oodles by taking advantage of their hopes, knowing full well that most could not afford to pay, and not caring.
One thing they knew for sure was they were getting rich, and that when these families couldn't pay they wouldn't be out jack. The mortgage companies would get bailed out, and they have!

So be preventive. Regulate the banking. Its what they did for the stock market. Its not just the rich paying this. Its also the middle class. I graduate this month and will be paying into these taxes. I don't feel that I should pay more because of this. If they rebudget to allow this then fine. Cut funding somewhere else.

I feel the same about socialized health care.

You know what. The Clinton's were indicted for doing a similar thing in Ark years ago. Before Bill became President. (ironic isnt it)

I hate typing, and this goes against my fun dogging the Republicans, but for you. Because you are young enough that you may not remember.

The Whitewater controversy (also called the Whitewater scandal, or often simply Whitewater) was an American political controversy that began with the real estate dealings of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their associates, Jim and Susan McDougal in the Whitewater Development Corporation, a failed business venture in the 1970s and 1980s.

The tax-payer bailed these loan companies out too.