HI Miguel -hugs-

Tools? Is that like a 4 letter word with an 's' on it? I think not needing a man to exist is an independent woman .. but loving a man to be in her life is where she shows her feminine side.

And they can always bring their own tools to mine

(((((((((deadly)))))))))))

they don't make this model anymore

I wouldn't either of your discriptions independent women

"HOwever, the place where i come from (ofcourse there some idiots over there also) and the way i was raised women are always first. You always give her a seat in a bus when is full. You open doors for them, etc, etc. "

This is how my family and friends behave. Men hold the door open for me wherever I go. They do it for all of the women.

I was raised, as a female, to give the older person or the pregnant woman my seat on the bus.

I can't type

So then ordering in generic-cheaper is out of the ? too????

exactly, i do it all the time. nobody says "thank you" anymore.

let me call my agent to see what can we do for you.
just joking
not trying to be mean

I say thank you with a smile. I appreciate the respect. I have taught my child to do the same.

I hold the door open for the elderly and women with children in strollers. It comes naturally - like breathing.

Me too. And I would call the women who taught me this, independant

An independent women knows how to take care of herself and her family.
She doesnt take CRAP from somebody BECAUSE she doesnt have to.

mmmmmmm
crap?
what is crap for u?

Right on!!!

Well my friend, times have very much changed. And yes, I understand a LOT of the frustration you feel from many women here in the USA.

I was raised "old school" in the mid-west. And as you, women come first, you open doors and do all those types of things that a gentleman is suppose to do. And unfortunately some don't appreciate it, some don't even acknowledge it, but a few still at least say thank you...and thats all I expect and I am happy.

But it's been slowly changing for years and getting worse. I still remember as a young boy (and i am 42 now), I held the door open at a store for two elderly ladies..one walked in and the other stood in front of me and just looked at me. The lady who already walked in looked back and said "something wrong?" and the lady that stood in front of me, just looked over at her and said "it's nice to see there is still gentlemen around" then she looked at me and said "thank you young man". I was probablyy 10 at the time. But funny, how good that made me feel and I still remember it to this day.

And then, just today I seen a young couple, maybe 20 years walking out in front of me and the girl held the door for the guy and he didn't even say thank you. So sad. I just thought to myself, things are changing for the worst. People don;t have character, pride, honor, loyalty...so many things they are losing.

All I can say is just don;t expect it to change anytime soon.

well....duh...not treating me like the princess and woman I deserve to be treated like....

examples...playing silly games, lying, not communicating well, not watching out for me, not being romantic, and all other types of disrespect.........

agreed
all that is crap in my dictionary as well

There is a huge difference between an independent woman and a rude woman. If a person does something nice for you, you say thank you.

As far as holding doors, etc., if I reach the door first, I hold it open for the person I am with; if they reach it first, they tend to do the same thing. So it's not so much male-female with me as it is manners. It's rather rude to walk through a door and let it slam in your companion's face.

I am an independent woman through necessity. I have raised a child by myself for 14 years, while getting a college degree and establishing a career; buying my first house; several interstate moves, etc. You have no choice but to be independent. It doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy having some help!!

LOL, wait a second..please clarify "princess", because if its the bratty chip on the shoulder kind...you can keep the "princess" part. I treat a woman like a lady...until we get in the bedroom, then whatever she prefers.