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Fri 08/27/10 09:38 PM







its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated



so u punish all muslims bc of a group of radicals?

thats not logical.

who is being punished? if the majority of the people in new york says they don't want it there, they should move it...the muslims say it is a symbol of peace and enlightenment, to bring all cultures together, and it is just pissing people off. it has already failed in that respect. if the muslims want peace and enlightenment, they should put it somewhere else.


No State refferendum can override the Constitution. Of course the State could declare a certain radius surrounding the center of devastation as some kind of historical ground. But then the State would be responsible for all the laws governing every building, and activies in that areas. Not to mention the State would be responsible for maintaining the grounds per thier guidelines. Talk about an increace in taxes!!!! Not gonna happen.

However, I will agree that IF the majority of New Yorkers do not want it there but it is built anyway then the majority will not utilize the fcilities being offered. In a way this could be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the community center is not utilized it will not serve the purpose for which it was intended.

What a shame it would be to miss out on an opportunity to find common ground among people of many religions and of diverse cultures.


A shame to miss out on what? Having to drive a little further to another site to experience this common ground? Just move it out of the shadows of where the towers where and all will be good with me. Practice awayyyyyyyyyyyyyy:thumbsup:

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Fri 08/27/10 09:35 PM
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Fri 08/27/10 09:26 PM






I have no discrimination against any American Muslims and I am so tired of hearing about how we are being prejudice and restricting religious freedoms.

FACT: The Muslims who attacked us on 9/11 were doing it in the name of "their religion" and "allah". THAT is well documented.

IT IS a slap in the face to any american to want to put a Mosque to celebrate "their religion" in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered.

FACT: One of the first basic principles in ANY religion is COMPASSION.

With the majority of Americans protesting this particular site you would think the Muslims would just put it some where else based on Compassion for other HUMANS.

I will say, IF there had been a Mosque there before the attack and they where just remodeling or rebuilding an existing building...There would be less of a problem if any. Where is the compassion in making such a decision.

Lets think of this in another scenario... What if a Catholic Church or preist training (idk) set up a building right across from a youth camp of boys. Think about it.:thumbsup:

Just my two cents!



but its not a mosque


Then what is it? I heard now they are portraying it as some kind of community center. Ummm don't care. If they practice the "muslim religion" there...It should NOT be there!


its a rec center/pre school or a community center but its always been that. and there are muslims who died in ground zero who werent the attackers.

where do u draw the line? bc if u use this logic for this...then u must use it for everything...which we dont. ttherefore its irrational


Yes, there were Muslims that died along with other nationalities. Thats why I wrote..."in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered." Still makes no diff. AGAIN, Terrorists attacked us based on this religion and Allah.rant

Ok and where is your rational ...The center has always been there? Then why all this hoopla. Its because the Muslims wanted to change it somehow to suit their needs, which is fine in theory. BUT not to practice a religion that the same terrorist used.



Some scholars estimate that there are as many as 32,000 different sects of Christianity - they all call themselves Christians. Yet they obviously do not ALL hold the same religious perspectives or values.

How many differing perspectives of the Muslim faith are there? A little research, sometimes a lot, helps to cure bias.



noway "A little research, sometimes a lot, helps to cure bias." I am well aware that there are sometimes many factions of one religion. My opinion has not changed.


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Fri 08/27/10 09:15 PM








its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated



so u punish all muslims bc of a group of radicals?

thats not logical.

who is being punished? if the majority of the people in new york says they don't want it there, they should move it...the muslims say it is a symbol of peace and enlightenment, to bring all cultures together, and it is just pissing people off. it has already failed in that respect. if the muslims want peace and enlightenment, they should put it somewhere else.


:banana: THANK YOU!:banana: I AGREEE!:banana:


the majority of new yorkers say it? well unfortuantely it doesnt matter what they think bc its private property. if it is true that the majority of new yorkers feel that way then they should have a vote..but they cant..bc its private property and theres nothing that should be done about it. its like get over it.

and maybe hats harsh but my brother died there and i dont give two ***** if its built there.


Maybe you dont give two ***** about it. But I do, especially considering that my 19 year old nephew was critically injured when an IUD went off blowing their vehicle in Afganistan. Why was he in Afghanistan...because we are still trying to get the leaders of who provoked this attack. It is still a fresh wound that keeps being opened. So you can be all non chalent but my nephew did not almost lose his life for some disrespectful place of worship. rant

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Fri 08/27/10 09:10 PM







its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated



so u punish all muslims bc of a group of radicals?

thats not logical.


No but I sure don't want the SAME religion being practiced in the shadow of the attack. And how are we punishing them? Im fine if they move it out more.


yes but where do u draw the line? it is moved out. its 3 blocks away. how many blocks away must it be before its okay to have it there? u see what im getting it. the rationale to keep it? bc it shouldnt matter what religion is there. i didnt hear people flipping there lid when a christian church was built by an area that christian extremists attacked.


DRAW the line?frustrated Are you kidding me? Ok I'll play. Anywhere in the shadows or where the towers once stood!

IT DOES matter that THAT religion is being practiced there. AGAIN!!! THE TERRORIST ATTACKED US ON THAT DAY BASED ON THEIR BELIEF IN THE MUSLIM RELIGION!

As far as the christian church stuff...well if they weren't flipping out I guess they had no problem with it. That was their choice at their time.

You know there comes a time when common sense has to come into play. And we stop using excuses of what implications there are.

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Fri 08/27/10 09:02 PM






its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated



so u punish all muslims bc of a group of radicals?

thats not logical.

who is being punished? if the majority of the people in new york says they don't want it there, they should move it...the muslims say it is a symbol of peace and enlightenment, to bring all cultures together, and it is just pissing people off. it has already failed in that respect. if the muslims want peace and enlightenment, they should put it somewhere else.


:banana: THANK YOU!:banana: I AGREEE!:banana:

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Fri 08/27/10 08:59 PM





its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated



so u punish all muslims bc of a group of radicals?

thats not logical.


No but I sure don't want the SAME religion being practiced in the shadow of the attack. And how are we punishing them? Im fine if they move it out more.

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Fri 08/27/10 08:57 PM




I have no discrimination against any American Muslims and I am so tired of hearing about how we are being prejudice and restricting religious freedoms.

FACT: The Muslims who attacked us on 9/11 were doing it in the name of "their religion" and "allah". THAT is well documented.

IT IS a slap in the face to any american to want to put a Mosque to celebrate "their religion" in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered.

FACT: One of the first basic principles in ANY religion is COMPASSION.

With the majority of Americans protesting this particular site you would think the Muslims would just put it some where else based on Compassion for other HUMANS.

I will say, IF there had been a Mosque there before the attack and they where just remodeling or rebuilding an existing building...There would be less of a problem if any. Where is the compassion in making such a decision.

Lets think of this in another scenario... What if a Catholic Church or preist training (idk) set up a building right across from a youth camp of boys. Think about it.:thumbsup:

Just my two cents!



but its not a mosque


Then what is it? I heard now they are portraying it as some kind of community center. Ummm don't care. If they practice the "muslim religion" there...It should NOT be there!


its a rec center/pre school or a community center but its always been that. and there are muslims who died in ground zero who werent the attackers.

where do u draw the line? bc if u use this logic for this...then u must use it for everything...which we dont. ttherefore its irrational


Yes, there were Muslims that died along with other nationalities. Thats why I wrote..."in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered." Still makes no diff. AGAIN, Terrorists attacked us based on this religion and Allah.rant

Ok and where is your rational ...The center has always been there? Then why all this hoopla. Its because the Muslims wanted to change it somehow to suit their needs, which is fine in theory. BUT not to practice a religion that the same terrorist used.

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Fri 08/27/10 08:51 PM



its not a mosque. its not a church. its a rec center/pre school and its 3 blocks from ground zero.

its not okay to have a "mosque" built bc its disrespectful...but its okay for strip clubs to be there?

doesnt make much sense to me.


strippers didn't kill 2700 people there... muslims did.. and it is a mosque, with some editions...



no actually al queda did and they happen to be muslims. just like the oklahoma city bombers who killed lots of people...and happen to be christian, so by that logic there should be no christian church "with editions" built near that ground zero.

fact is. u attributing all muslims to killing those people...which is wrong and u know it. its generalizing and completely stupid.


"al queda did and they happen to be muslims" ...That just happened to be attacking us based on their religion and Allah. frustrated

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Fri 08/27/10 08:47 PM


I have no discrimination against any American Muslims and I am so tired of hearing about how we are being prejudice and restricting religious freedoms.

FACT: The Muslims who attacked us on 9/11 were doing it in the name of "their religion" and "allah". THAT is well documented.

IT IS a slap in the face to any american to want to put a Mosque to celebrate "their religion" in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered.

FACT: One of the first basic principles in ANY religion is COMPASSION.

With the majority of Americans protesting this particular site you would think the Muslims would just put it some where else based on Compassion for other HUMANS.

I will say, IF there had been a Mosque there before the attack and they where just remodeling or rebuilding an existing building...There would be less of a problem if any. Where is the compassion in making such a decision.

Lets think of this in another scenario... What if a Catholic Church or preist training (idk) set up a building right across from a youth camp of boys. Think about it.:thumbsup:

Just my two cents!



but its not a mosque


Then what is it? I heard now they are portraying it as some kind of community center. Ummm don't care. If they practice the "muslim religion" there...It should NOT be there!

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Fri 08/27/10 08:41 PM

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Fri 08/27/10 08:39 PM
I have no discrimination against any American Muslims and I am so tired of hearing about how we are being prejudice and restricting religious freedoms.

FACT: The Muslims who attacked us on 9/11 were doing it in the name of "their religion" and "allah". THAT is well documented.

IT IS a slap in the face to any american to want to put a Mosque to celebrate "their religion" in the shadow where so many HUMANS died and suffered.

FACT: One of the first basic principles in ANY religion is COMPASSION.

With the majority of Americans protesting this particular site you would think the Muslims would just put it some where else based on Compassion for other HUMANS.

I will say, IF there had been a Mosque there before the attack and they where just remodeling or rebuilding an existing building...There would be less of a problem if any. Where is the compassion in making such a decision.

Lets think of this in another scenario... What if a Catholic Church or preist training (idk) set up a building right across from a youth camp of boys. Think about it.:thumbsup:

Just my two cents!

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Fri 08/27/10 08:24 PM
Sounds like most people. You want "challenge" and a teeny bit of drama.drinker Being comfortable is too easy for many of us. laugh

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Fri 08/27/10 08:22 PM
To OP. That is so sweet and true.drinker Thanks for reminding us. flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

What you said reminded me of a song/video by Christina Aguilara called "Beautiful"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfyFTzZDMM

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Wed 08/18/10 03:50 PM
Springfield, MA

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Wed 08/18/10 03:41 PM
I watched the Commentary and it is not a rational point of view by a long shot. But thanks for opportunity to look at a different view point.

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Wed 08/18/10 03:31 PM

yea, it has to be right there... why are they so intent on building it right there? no one seems to have any answer other than "because it is our right"... it just doesn't make any sense to me that they can't move it somewhere else. they are the peace loving islams,supposed to be so tolerant of other people, then why not move it?


I totally agree. The only way I would even think it may be conceivable for "their rights" is if there had been a mosque there before the 9/11 attack. It is immoral and a slap in the face to everyone who has lost a loved one because of this terrible event. If they had an ounce of compassion then they would withdraw this ridiculous thing from happening. And without that ounce...THEY DO NOT BELONG ANYWHERE in the United States. Because part of what America is...is compassion.

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Sun 08/01/10 09:37 PM


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Sun 08/01/10 09:31 PM
Sex is a definite plus! drool But not a absolute requirement if you find the person who fits your heart. I've said it before, I'll say it again. If the tongue ain't paralyzed..we're good! :thumbsup: rofl rofl rofl :banana: :banana: :banana:

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Sun 08/01/10 09:11 PM
I agree with the mod. This question has debated its time, asked and answered by many. When irrationality is brought in over and over and over again to the point it becomes insulting someone by beating their views in our heads. It is no longer a debate. Its personal views taken out of context. frustrated

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