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Thu 03/19/09 11:03 AM







tell the people that have benn beatin and tortured for pleasure or kids that have been raped that there's no evil


yeah, like those people "questioned" by the Spanish Inquisition, or all those minors who were molested by their priests...


wow....you are a broken record aren't you? what about my ex that was beaten by his drunk dad all his life (the dad was NOT a believer of anything) and the family friend that used him as a "boy toy" (his words) when he was 10?

what about the many adults that abuse kids, elderly, etc?


It doesn't take religion to see those actions as bad actions, and all it really shows is that our morals have moved past religion, and yet the majority of us can't.

I may sound like a broken record, but I will continue to do so, and long as Muslims kill random people, because "allah" is in another cartoon, or they don't agree with a book. I will continue to do so as long as those priest who molested don't get charged, and continue to just get re-located, without the new parish being informed, as long as someone can get away with murder, by confessing to a priest.

There is plenty of blood on Religion's hands, and I will be a broken record, until we stop pretending it's not there.


as well as non-religious. it really has nothing to do with religion but the mind of man.




As long as the Holy books stated to kill those who don't belief as you, it does have to do with religion.


and what book do non-believers use?


depends on what you mean by non-believers. If we are being one religion specific, then those who believe other holy books use that.

If we are talking about non-believers, as in Atheists and Agnostic, there is no holy book, a there have been atheists/agnostics who have done things that would be considered evil. Many people look at Stalin, and say "this is what happens when you put an atheist in charge" when in reality what should be said is "that is what happens when you give one person too much power"

As my signature says on other message board: "Without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "- Steven Weinberg

There are so many people out there that do bad things in the name of god, we will look at the example of those people who have killed abortion clinic doctors. With Religion, they bring up scriptures that defend their actions, and claim to have done gods work, take religion completely out of the picture, and those people have no excuse for what they have done.

Like I brought up in another thread, If I were to come to you, and say that I killed someone, if you don't tell the authorities, you go down as an accessory to murder. Why should I priest be able to not tell, when it would result in jail-time for you?

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Thu 03/19/09 10:36 AM





tell the people that have benn beatin and tortured for pleasure or kids that have been raped that there's no evil


yeah, like those people "questioned" by the Spanish Inquisition, or all those minors who were molested by their priests...


wow....you are a broken record aren't you? what about my ex that was beaten by his drunk dad all his life (the dad was NOT a believer of anything) and the family friend that used him as a "boy toy" (his words) when he was 10?

what about the many adults that abuse kids, elderly, etc?


It doesn't take religion to see those actions as bad actions, and all it really shows is that our morals have moved past religion, and yet the majority of us can't.

I may sound like a broken record, but I will continue to do so, and long as Muslims kill random people, because "allah" is in another cartoon, or they don't agree with a book. I will continue to do so as long as those priest who molested don't get charged, and continue to just get re-located, without the new parish being informed, as long as someone can get away with murder, by confessing to a priest.

There is plenty of blood on Religion's hands, and I will be a broken record, until we stop pretending it's not there.


as well as non-religious. it really has nothing to do with religion but the mind of man.


As long as the Holy books stated to kill those who don't belief as you, it does have to do with religion.

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Thu 03/19/09 10:31 AM

christianity follows the tachings of christ. i'm sure many have explained it all to you but instead of just taking it for what it is....you want to argue and tear it down. if i remember correctly....you believed in some higher power of some sorts but you don't know what it is. but yet you can't prove it anymore than you expect christians to


IF Christianity is just about the teachings of Jesus, why have the OT in the bible? IF Christianity is just about the teachings of Christ, why not get rid of all those stories that really have nothing to do with Jesus?

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Thu 03/19/09 10:28 AM



tell the people that have benn beatin and tortured for pleasure or kids that have been raped that there's no evil


yeah, like those people "questioned" by the Spanish Inquisition, or all those minors who were molested by their priests...


wow....you are a broken record aren't you? what about my ex that was beaten by his drunk dad all his life (the dad was NOT a believer of anything) and the family friend that used him as a "boy toy" (his words) when he was 10?

what about the many adults that abuse kids, elderly, etc?


It doesn't take religion to see those actions as bad actions, and all it really shows is that our morals have moved past religion, and yet the majority of us can't.

I may sound like a broken record, but I will continue to do so, and long as Muslims kill random people, because "allah" is in another cartoon, or they don't agree with a book. I will continue to do so as long as those priest who molested don't get charged, and continue to just get re-located, without the new parish being informed, as long as someone can get away with murder, by confessing to a priest.

There is plenty of blood on Religion's hands, and I will be a broken record, until we stop pretending it's not there.

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Thu 03/19/09 09:46 AM



let's not forget about the christian crusades, when they killed people for not believing in their god.


Let's not leave out the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Trials...
Not to mention all the things we know now to be fact, that was deemed untrue, and blasphemous against the church...


which were done by man warping the teachings


That is nothing more than a cop-out.

In every other aspect of life, people can realize that evils can be done, and that the person perpetrating the evils really beliefs in what they are doing. Religion is the only thing that uses the "not a true believer" cop-out.
A lot of the atrocities that have been committed throughout History, in the name of Religion, have done due to a literal translation of the holy book.

It is long past time for Religion to give up this false shelter, and to take the blame it deserves.

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Thu 03/19/09 09:36 AM

tell the people that have benn beatin and tortured for pleasure or kids that have been raped that there's no evil


yeah, like those people "questioned" by the Spanish Inquisition, or all those minors who were molested by their priests...

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Thu 03/19/09 08:47 AM

let's not forget about the christian crusades, when they killed people for not believing in their god.


Let's not leave out the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Trials...
Not to mention all the things we know now to be fact, that was deemed untrue, and blasphemous against the church...

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Thu 03/19/09 05:27 AM




There was a famous case in Salt Lake City when they tried to shut down an adult bookstore; the owner got info from the local hotels to show the amount of in-room porn that was bought and it was so much that the court ruled that porn is accepted by the area and refused to close the store down.


Then of course you have the Rev. Ted Haggard, preaching about how Homosexuality is a sin, then meeting up with his gay hooker in a hotel room, and doing speed, while engaging in homosexual sex...


Have anybody forgotten the wacky Amish and their need for Cocaine? Them's is good God fearen' folk by crackey!laugh
Revering GOD and believing in him does not mean that you will be sin free, that is what repentance is . To many people think that if someone believes that they should not sin, you should always try not to, but all, I repeat, ALL do and will


Preaching Against something, while secretly doing it isn't just "sin". It's called being a hypocrite.

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Wed 03/18/09 07:36 PM
Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?



huh

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Wed 03/18/09 03:20 PM
Edited by Inkracer on Wed 03/18/09 03:30 PM







isn't the Word Christ an Anointment or Title Like Merlin?



Yeah



I made a mistake, The name might have been used by others claiming to be the Messiah.



KRST was also engraved on coffins in Egypt long before Jesus. It means Anointed, or returned from whence it came, or returned to the cosmos.

Its not new to jesus.




Like I brought up in another thread, you have the Egyptian God Horus getting the title "KRST" at least 1000 prior to jesus coming onto the scene...

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Wed 03/18/09 01:53 PM

There was a famous case in Salt Lake City when they tried to shut down an adult bookstore; the owner got info from the local hotels to show the amount of in-room porn that was bought and it was so much that the court ruled that porn is accepted by the area and refused to close the store down.


Then of course you have the Rev. Ted Haggard, preaching about how Homosexuality is a sin, then meeting up with his gay hooker in a hotel room, and doing speed, while engaging in homosexual sex...

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Wed 03/18/09 01:50 PM



What is wrong with our children today

Ritalin, but that is whole other debate. :laughing:


or lack of parenting. for whatever reason there might be


Answering the question seriously, I think it's a combination of too many parents letting someone/something else raise their kids, and the amount of drugs going through society. The pressure on Doctors to hand out Drug Company X's new drug is so much, that at this point society(the children included) are over medicated.

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Tue 03/17/09 08:23 PM
I would guess either what Nyteflame said, or they were hoping that their audience was not going to be as observant as you were.

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Tue 03/17/09 08:10 PM



“moment of silence” - does that really hurt anyone??? wow...it's not like it's an hour or anything.

if students want to pray....let them
if students want to take deep breaths....let them
if students want to think about if they did their homework or studied.....let them

no one is being forced to pray or anything. and again....it's not like it's a long time or anything

maybe the teacher needs a moment of silence to get her mind ready for the day ahead


This is true. I need MANY moments of silence just to get through the day. And....NO...I don't have ADD.laugh


i get to work early just to have quiet time to get ready for work. i don't really even have the time to pray before hand because i'm getting ready to start the work day.

i really don't see the big deal of a moment of silence...it's not like it's a mandatory prayer class that lasts an hour. and people can use that time to reflect on the day ahead, pray, get a moment of sleep....whatever


In all honesty, I would like to see some of the original articles on this story. If the people were originally looking for just a moment of silence, I have no problem with it, and others are over-reacting, however, if this was initially pushed as a daily prayer time, and the moment of silence is what they "negotiated" down to, I would have a big problem with it, because I do view trying to establish a daily prayer time in public schools as forcing ones beliefs on others.

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Tue 03/17/09 04:15 PM
to them IT'S TRUE. just like truths for YOU may not be for others. is this really a hard concept???? come to think about it....i don't think i even know what you belief or don't believe in....or a lot of other people on here because they would rather disprove everyone else.


No, to them it is a Belief. Not a fact, not True. There is no "True for Me/You" Something is either true, or it is false.

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Tue 03/17/09 04:05 PM


I have not heard one counter arguement to the four facts I stated earlier concerning the resurrection of Christ. If these four facts are true, then the Christian is amply justified in believing Christ rose from the dead.


2 things.
1. Like was pointed out to you the last time you came here, brought up the "facts" and then disappeared, The reason you haven't "heard" a counter-argument is because you ignore any counter argument made.
2. These "facts" are only found in the bible. That is one source. One source does not a fact make.



And what was your counter argument that I supposedly ignored. Willliam Lane Craig used these four facts against Bart Erhman in a debate, not even Erhman could bring a argument against them. It is not one source we are talking about here but the majority consensus of two thousand years of scholarship.



My Counter-Argument is right in front of you, yet you chose to ignore it.
The Events of the crucifixion of Jesus, and his supposed resurrection are only found in the bible. That is only one source of information. With only one source of this information, you cannot claim it has fact.
Personally, I feel that IF those events did take place, then we would have not just the bible, but Many more sources of accounts of these events from the Romans.
Also the facts that Jesus can't be properly placed in History(Most Christians believe that he lived from 0-33AD. But there is a significant percentage that feel he lived 100 year prior to that time period, 100-67BC)
And, because of events in the NT, that have been historically documented through other sources, we know that at the earliest, the NT was written after 70AD. At best, that leaves a 37 year gap, at worst(IF he lived) that leaves a 137 year gap between his death, and people writing about him.

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Tue 03/17/09 03:55 PM

what I find funny are the people that instead of learn about others and have civil debates...they chose to do the prove it thing when they can't prove their own belifs are true either. they can't disapprove anything either. but yet instead of people posting their own threads about their own beliefs wanting an adult discussion...they chose to make others prove their beliefs. even when i posted a thread to find out how other beliefs (non-beliefs) help anyone that sufferes (from anything) very few posted in there. why???? because there was no fighting or something to tear down?

i come to the threads to learn about others...whether i agree or not. i have my own believes....but we all share this world and should understand each other (whether we agree or not)

i have tried to be "nice" and play "nice" but the threads started just to insult or discredit someone's beliefs are getting insane.

i hope people can learn to debate without saying prove it when they can't prove their own

I have really enjoyed people on here from all beliefs and non-beliefs...but it's getting old. best of luck to all flowerforyou

and yes i really mean that


And I don't have a problem with anyone trying to learn about others beliefs. I do have a problem with people looking at the Holy Books and saying that the events on the pages are Facts when there is no other source for those events other than the holy book. When someone is claiming something to be fact, that isn't their belief, that is misinformation. Also, the "It's true because you can't prove it isn't true" argument is a BS argument.

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Tue 03/17/09 03:40 PM


Most of these things are later found to be forgeries; but it sounds funny like Simon the Magician! I wonder if he could card tricks as well.




I agree with you TB Rich, but this does seem to be legitimate.


Many of the forgeries seemed to be legit to. Until they were proven to be otherwise.

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Tue 03/17/09 03:38 PM
I have not heard one counter arguement to the four facts I stated earlier concerning the resurrection of Christ. If these four facts are true, then the Christian is amply justified in believing Christ rose from the dead.


2 things.
1. Like was pointed out to you the last time you came here, brought up the "facts" and then disappeared, The reason you haven't "heard" a counter-argument is because you ignore any counter argument made.
2. These "facts" are only found in the bible. That is one source. One source does not a fact make.

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Tue 03/17/09 12:59 PM

The OP is just an example of trying to
imterpret scripture,

before ones spiritual eyes have been opened yet flowerforyou ....

Also, when SCRIPTURE IS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT ,

one also misses the meaning..... ENTIRELY.

(also notice , to whom the scriptures were referring to).

:heart::heart::heart:



Seems to me the only "imterpret"-ation being made is by you, trying to make those "appear" nicer than they are. All the OP did was take lines from the Bible. I don't see him, anywhere in his post, saying what those lines mean.

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