The fact that you posted in this thread is evidence of the contrary



Let me ask you, if you can be so positive as to what your beliefs are, to the point of being unwavering, why can't an atheist?

And, by the way, I have been deployed. I am an Atheist. I have proven that saying to be false.

There have already been a number of Presidents that were, at the very least, non-religious. Unfortunately, because of the brainwashing that religion has done, we will not see an atheist President in office anytime soon, unless that President were to feign religious belief until they were in office, and once they came out as Atheist, it would guarantee that term would be their only one.

Isn't it sad, that something that is supposed to be separated from the State, can keep someone from holding office?

Officer, I wasn't speeding... I was qualifying.

I disagree with this statement. As you look at history, and what you would call the religions throughout history, we have gone from polytheistic religions, to monotheistic ones, therefore, Logically, I think there will be a day when everyone is atheist, and religion is a problem of the past. Also since as our knowledge grew, our gods numbers diminished. Unfortunately, I do not believe that i will live to see that day..

At this time the Lack of evidence strongly suggests it never happened, and once a certain point is reached, yes, lack of evidence means it didn't happen.

You take the lack of evidence of Jesus, along with the fact that many gods(from the 1000 years before Jesus) share certain aspects of their stories with him, and one who thinks logically can only conclude that those who wrote the story of the biblical Jesus took from the stories of those gods to create the biblical Jesus.

Publicity. You're team signs Holt or Harrison, you're only really making the local news, because off the field, those guys are good guys. You sign The Player, and you're making the national news, because The Player is a circus.

In all seriousness, though, as stated on an episode of the Fox TV Show 'House': "Why is it that crazy and religious behavior are so close we can't them apart?"

And the only real answer there is because they are both crazy, one is just a socially-accepted.

A diagnosis.

Let's talk Historical Evidence.
There is NO Historical Evidence of these Events:
The Jews wondering around the desert for 40 years.
Moses(and all the events dealing with the Jews and Egyptians)
Jesus.

If it looks like BS, sounds like BS, and smells like BS. Then it's a load of BS..

I think the bigger problem is that we have too many of the Fundamentalists *****ing and complaining to get their way. I honestly don't see how anything that happens between 2 consenting adults, behind closed doors, has any affect on my life. I also don't see how allowing gays to marry effects the "sanctity of marriage" in any way, in all honesty the only people who will be "affected" by it, their marriage probably wasn't going to last.
In all honesty, I do think that the Atheist/Agnostic/Non-religious community needs to stand up and fight, before the US really does become the christian nation that the Fundamentalists claim it was made as.

I've watched the Show since Kate was a part of the team, can't believe it's been as long as it's been since she was killed off..

MorningSong, you have a book. We know NOTHING about the people who wrote the book, or their motives behind your book. We just have to take your books word on "faith"

I have many people who aren't afraid to ask "why" and are constantly changing and evolving what we know. These people are constantly self-policing, because you have to subject your experiments to peer review, or you aren't taken seriously.

I will take the self-policing scientist of a book of questionable origin, which is only used as an Enemy of Reason.

YOU constantly point to the bible as fact.
YOU rarely give an answer to any point the other raise.
The only counterpoints YOU have used against Horus have either no merit, or don't to anything to change the similarity between Horus and Jesus.

Then you are going to say I'm the one lacking understanding?

That last statement is laughable. IF that were true, you would NEVER say that the story of Jesus' resurrection was fact, simply because the bible is the one and only source for this. The only scholarship saying that it is fact is the Christian one.

As far as the sites I have used, NONE of them try to discredit one side or the other, they look at both stories, and note the similarities. Every site that I have found with information similar to what you have posted either doesn't have any sources for where they get the info from, or just flat out calls the Book of the Dead a Lie.

Try doing actual research, instead of looking at Christian-apologist sites.

EVERY site I have gone to that does not have the agenda of "proving" that Jesus is not just a re-working of Horus' tale. Has said what I have put up here.

All you have really proved is that there are small differences that don't really matter in the long run of the story for each.
And each response you have given me is truly just the equivalent of acting like a child who doesn't get what they want. My Information is backed up by numerous UN-Biased sites.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
http://culturalvision.net/html/pagan_religions.html
http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

Just because "Mary" isn't used as the mother's name doesn't make Jesus a new story/


Many stories have Isis as being either a Virgin, or Sexless.



You can't tell us when Jesus is born, therefore you can't say that Horus is "completely different" just because Horus actually has a birthday.



There you are right, Three wise men didn't visit Horus, Three Solar Deities did.



In the Book of the Dead, Horus is regarded as the Savior to Humanity, not only did he die for people, as I stated earlier he was crucified at least 1000 prior to Jesus.



Yet there are accounts of Horus going thru a ritual at the age of 12, and just like Jesus, we don't see him again until around the age of 30.



He was baptized in the river Eridanus. At the age of 30(just like Jesus) and the baptizer, in Horus' case Anup the Baptizer, met the same fate as John did, Beheaded.



Yet there is still plenty of evidence that Horus has many followers. At best, the NT authors changed the number, to present a "new" story.



Facts must be real fun when you make them up. All the research I have done shows that Horus was crucified, descended to Hell, 3 days later rose again, which was announced by 3 women.




All you have really proved is that small pieces of the story are different, The main pieces of the story are pretty much the same.




They are not facts, all you are doing is pulling them out of the bible, which is only one source.

More Similarities between Horus and Jesus:

Horus:
KRST, the anointed one.
Jesus:
Christ, the anointed one.

BOTH also referred to as:
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.

Both were associated with the Zodiac sign of Pisces, the fish.

Main Symbols of BOTH:
Fish, beetle, the vine, shepherd's crook.

Comparison of the teachings:
Horus:
"I have given bread to the hungry man and water to the thirsty man and clothing to the naked person and a boat to the shipwrecked mariner."
Jesus:
"For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me..."

Horus:
"I am Horus in glory...I am the Lord of Light...I am the victorious one...I am the heir of endless time...I, even I, am he that knoweth the paths of heaven."
"I am Horus, the Prince of Eternity."
"I am Horus who stepeth onward through eternity...Eternity and everlastingness is my name."
"I am the possessor of bread in Anu. I have bread in heaven with Ra."

Jesus:
"I am the light of the world....I am the way, the truth and the life."
"Before Abraham was, I am"
"Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today and forever."
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven."

You do realize that versions of the Book of the Dead dates as far back as the 16th Century BC. That is 1600 years before Christ.
It really doesn't matter what your "Scholarship" thinks. Horus is IN HISTORY and PREDATES Jesus by at least 1000 years. As noted above, the earliest Book of the Dead dates back to 1600 BEFORE the most commonly accepted time frame of Jesus' time on earth.

Now, why is it "fact" when you place the name 'Jesus' in the story, but "myth" when that name is 'Horus'?

Except for Horus, from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Horus was born of a Virgin mother, baptized in a river, the person to baptize Horus was later beheaded, Horus also spent time alone in the desert being tempted, Healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, walked on water, Horus raised Asar from the dead(Asar translates to Lazarus). Horus had 12 Disciples, was crucified, and after 3 days, two women announced that Horus, savior of humanity, had been resurrected.

The first two movies of the Trilogy(which is going "franchise" when 4 comes out later this year) are really good, and actually tie into each other really well. The third installment of the FD series(IMHO) is nothing more than a SAW-like "what ways can we kill people this time" movie, and doesn't tie in to the other 2 at all. The only good thing about FD3, is the DVD comes with a "you decide" version, where at key points the movie pauses, and you get to decide what happens.

Hope that Helps.