Of course I would. I love my parents to death, but when they are wrong, they're wrong. Period. End of story. If this were the case, there wouldn't be a fight, she's my fiance because I love her, accept it or nice knowing ya!

Yeah, I had misspoken, my apologies, you were correct in your assumption of my intent.

And sorry, I'm at work (I shouldn't be typing, but these forums are as interesting as they are addictive). My desire for brevity managed to obfuscate my original point. I'll have to look into White water, but the big problem with this Gonzalez incident was not only the methodology, but the reasoning that was used. Using the Dept. of Justice to swing an election is as unethical as voter-fraud...

I agree, partisan politics is only harmful in the long-term, and political scandals have haunted our past two presidents.

The real issue here, is not who has had more scandals, but who has been wrongly accused of being involved in those scandals. In my opinion, Bush is by far the worst offender. The things you can pin to Slick Willy, those are not as significant. But then again, Bill is a lot smoother than Dubbya; who has a tendency to not care at all what happens so long as he gets away with it.

I completely agree Search, although the correlation between sexual activity and sex-ed may be slightly skewed due to puberty That was one of my main points from earlier (or another thread), value for sex, love, and marriage can create that sense of responsibility that is important later on in life. It also goes a long way to stem that behavior, showing them that like driving, it is better to wait till they are old enough rather than stealing the car at night.

Sure did Papa smurf! LOL, Darn the sometimes lack of clarity due to lack of emotional context in digital communication

Actually Satanism was what I was thinking of when I mentioned I was speaking in a broad generalization. I'm not up on Satanism (although a major thread as I understand it is a foundation and worship of logic and curiosity, not necessarily Samahain and blood spilling. What many people think of as occult practices usually stem from cults rather than from established, mainstream religions)

See, this is why I language is important. When we use our personal definitions without regard to what the words actually mean, it can cause all SORTS of misunderstandings.

I agree that fanatics are not necessarily religious, lol; in fact those that are fanatics in what would be considered a negative way are often wielding their idea of the religion, rather than the religion itself. Most religions, in a very broad sense, have the same general message. I don't know of any that don't encourage love, forgiveness, and harmony, in broad general terms.

I agree to an extent, but returning to an original example; you can't blame Manchester united for soccer hooligans. The religion might give them a united identity, but their actions are in direct conflict with their beliefs. Really, it comes down to people. I could join a group of grammar nazi's, but would I start murdering people because of their careless attitude for language?

Only if I would do it without the group .

LOL...

Massage, I've always like your accuracy in communication

And thanks searchin! Your point also brings up another issue, one that Hill addressed. Kids are not islands, and while splitting up a class may separate the kids whose parents are comfortable and uncomfortable, that just means that there are kids who are going to get taught, and kids who are going to get taught by their peers. Personally, that's the reason why I want to educate my children myself...I plan on community home-schooling in their formative years. Kind of like having a village raise a child, ne?

The point being, the parents only have a say in what their kids are ready to learn when the parents control the environment. As a parent, when you place a child in school you have to consider that you are giving up the right to complain about what they learn in the school-yard because you are giving up control of that aspect of their environment. When I was a kid, I learned about where babies came from by reading...I was reading at the age of five, and managed to find all kinds of questions that my parents didn't feel comfortable answering, lol.

It's been all over NPR, I'm working so I don't have time to give a cogent review, but here's an article that does a decent job.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9791843

Meh I wasn't worried about it, lol.

Hmmm, while I don't personally have anything against polygamy...I don't think that in general it is a workable situation (of course there are exceptions tot the rule).

Doing the numbers though, successful and long-term polyamorous relationships are far and few between. Compare the number of geriatrics who haver maintained those relationships to the total number that have been in one and you have a low percentage of success.

Not to mention, the jealousy factor. While those that defend their polygamous relationships make claims that they are not jealous of the other spouse, the reality is that these arguments are akin to that of folks making claims that their family "never argues". Sure, it is possible that you don't feel jealous in that situation, and it is even probable that jealous people do not engage in polygamous relationships, but the balancing act must be very awkward. People in relationships demand time and attention, there are may instances where husbands get jealous of the attention wives show their newborns, or when wives get jealous of the time a husband devotes to work. These are COMMON occurrences, imagine now that you add an extra spouse who would also demand equal time.

I wonder, when you say polygamous, what would you do if both of your wives wanted to add additional husbands?

Good point...

and if you want to talk about indications of misdoings in the White House, I seem to recall a certain and current scandal involving orders from the White House to a certain Mr. Rodriguez - orders which were not ethical or jurisdictionally appropriate

You know, part of the whole sex ed thing is sending permission slips home...if a parent doesn't sign a permission slip, then the education doesn't happen.

*sigh* I missed out on a few field trips because of that; not the sex ed classes, lol!

So how exactly is answering a child's questions honestly a bad thing...I'm having a hard time understanding that.

LOL, Irony, it shows up at the most awkward of times, right?

Still, maybe she had other things on her mind, right? Could be possible, or she could just want to be friends (I know, like the cake song says, it can be a four letter word, but don't think about it that way). There are a million and one reasons for it happening, including the fact that she is interested in being around you for you...just not in that fun and sweaty way .

No! Go back to Russia

*Shrugs* It is all speculation really, but the flip side of that coin is that the fallen American dollar (because it would fall, aint to ways about it), would result in imports becoming more expensive across the board...which could put is into a recession.

Hey, I wrote my post with nothing but love in my heart...although like I said I'm a grammar Nazi. I'm sorry if you took offense to what I said, but I was trying to drive home the point of the credibility of a source.

As this is a forum, it is for the free expression of ideas and opinions and facts...I never told you not to post. I simply expressed my opinion based off the same source material you were using. I was pointing out that many of the quotes you are using are out of context, and more importantly were not necessarily the best foundation for your argument because of their context within the Bible.

As for the Dumb and Dumber content, lol...evidently you are confused by the word Agnostic. An agnostic is a person who believes in a deity, but is unsure as to the nature of that deity, or at the very least acknowledges the limitation of man's understanding. That means I neither support or refute the existence of the Trinity, I just accept the fact that I don't know. However, the Bible supports the theory of the Holy Trinity, and since you like to quote the Bible...

Jesus's divinity is expressed in a number of scriptures, but here's a fairly clear reference 1 John 5:20 (Whole Chapter)
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. "

*sigh* I really should be working.

Ok, as a result of the U.S. denominating the currency of oil, for whatever reason, other countries and banks have to keep large stocks of U.S. Currency, which automatically inflates the value, because no matter what is going on internally, there is still a high demand for U.S. currency, to the tune of billions. That's not conspiracy, I'm a libertarian and we prefer to rely on facts

Now here is where fact seems to boarder on conspiracy; prior to the U.S. invasion in 200e, Iraq embarked upon the oil for food program - which converted currency to Euros. Guess what happened after we invaded in 2003....that's right, oil sales returned to the US dollar

In fact, Iraq's commodity exchange, which was due sometime in 2006, has been postponed indefinitely.

See the beauty of the Associated Press? Dozens of stories of countries like Venezuela supporting the trade from dollars to Euros.

And if you want to compare criticisms, the investigation of the Cole incident was completed AFTER Clinton left office. That means that GW had a chance to do something too, but didn't. So if Clinton was wrong to do nothing, why wasn't GW equally wrong, if not more so.

Many arguments that Clinton had to fight against included "A terrorist act cannot be committed against a military target." As for Clinton not doing anything...remember the "pharmaceutical company" that we hit with Tomahawk missles? Remember all the flack he got because, "the evidence wasn't solid enough?" Well, on the one hand, both Presidents got accused of acting off of shaky information...but later investigation for GW never found those WMD's....but that Pharmaceutical company was a confirmed factory for chemical weapons.

Oh, we'll survive, sure. However, look at what the current value of the dollar is, and consider that we have THAT in our back pocket. Oil is a billion dollar market, do you really think that changing the flow of billions of dollars will have little to no effect on our economy? Our deal with the oil is an economic hijacking of sorts, that's one of the reasons we have poor relations with some countries.

And as for the implication that Clinton wouldn't do anything...keep in mind the Legislative Branch that Clinton was dealing with, and how that differs from the Legislative climate that GW is dealing with. Not at the moment of course, but at the time of crisis. Currently GW is getting a taste of what Clinton went through during the incident with the Cole.

Can you blame me? They are glomp-er-ific!

The great thing about marriage is that you have the rest of your life to be married. What's the rush? Why rush things, why not take the scenic route and enjoy the ride; after all, marriage is a journey with someone you care about - not a destination.