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Tue 11/12/13 02:37 PM
Actually, I'd love for the guy I was dating to read all of my comments....lol.....they are his words too...so he already knows this.....(not me holding any guns to his head to say bad things about his family, at all) we had all of these conversations with each other.

I'd like for the people on this forum whom are replying to it to actually hear what I'm saying instead of putting your own spin on it...with what you presume or want to believe ....about "my experience" And we all have our own. I'm not beating up on "family" in general lets get that straight ....I'm just calling a spade a spade (behavior wise) in this particular situation (one that I lived) and I'm sure a lot more people have had a similar experience. (be it my side of the story or whomevers)

Like I've said, I'm an advocate and have strong family values, relationships, loyalty, I don't how to make this any clearer. I just know that sometimes a family member can cause undue trouble in a romantic relationship....and that said, of course it's up to the person related to them to deal with them.


Because these are his words too..... he acknowledged all the time that it was unacceptable, destructive behavior on that persons part.....I never said that he didn't love or needed to disown his mother or any family which is the impression I'm getting that complete strangers on a dating site think....lol.........from the defensive comments I've received. You are all missing the point of this discussion.

He saw what his own family was doing and yes, he admitted he didn't have the guts to stand up for his own life and happiness as much as he really wanted to.

I'm not "bashing families" in general at all.....but I'm also giving my wisdom from my experience and even from observing other people I know have gone through similar experience to think about if the next time you bring someone home to meet your family....and you're happy...that if your family starts to give off a threatened vibe, jealous or "insert your own word"....lol...whatever, that you have the functional, healthy, sensible mindset, to nicely.....lol....tell them to "back the **** off" and this is your life.....lol.

Cause if you are unlucky enough to have a dysfunctional jealous family member who doesn't care about you (all families aren't great, perfect, loving by the way, and no offence to the ones that are great.....again, "Congratulations!!"......thank your lucky stars if they are great......I'm not bashing the good ones (I have a great family)......hell ....I'm really not even bashing the bad ones (for lack of a better word)....all I'm saying and not going to waste my breathe to say it here much longer, if there is anyone who has been in a similar situation as the one I've described, I hope your romantic partner knows the value of "you"......and would jump through fire for you, let alone tell that family member that, "I love you, but I don't like how you're behaving towards my significant other...so if you really love and respect me, you will not behave like that"...thanks.

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Tue 11/12/13 01:45 PM

OP, even with all the new info you've provided, I still agree with the person who said YOU can't do anything about it. It's the guy's mother, not YOURS so it's up to him to stand up to her, if he's willing and able to. You can talk to us about it all day and nothing will change.

No one is telling you to break up with him, no one is telling you he's a dead beat dad, or judging him for being the sole caregiver for his children.

What we ARE saying is that you need to talk to your bf and tell him how you feel. It's up to HIM to deal with his mother. All of the stuff you've said to us here, you need to say that to him. We are a bunch of strangers, from different parts of the world, we don't know you or your bf or his family, so anything we say is going to be irrelevant, even if we agree with you. TALK to your bf. That is all you can do.

If he can resolve the situation with his mom, that will be great. If he can't, or if he's unwilling to, all you can do is walk away. Even if you'e invested in him and the kids, if he's not wiling to work on whatever is causing the problem, you can't do anything about it but walk away. Otherwise, you're going to constantly be upset about it, and that doesn't help anyone.

I know it's hard to leave someone you care about, but if all the relationship is doing is causing you grief, I don't see the point in staying. Does your bf even know that his mom's behavior bothers you?

As for people advocating family and all that, as far as I'm concerned, family is fine, but everyone has their place. My family has no place in my relationship. Period. And I make that clear whenever it's necessary.

As I said initially, I hope everything works out for you both, but nothing is ever going to be resolved if you don't tell him how you feel and give him a chance to rectify things. If he can't or he won't, then the rest IS up to you.

Good luck.flowerforyou



OH, I haven't been telling this story because I didn't know that it was his place to set his family boundaries regarding his romantic relationship. I wanted to see what others opinions would be.

I've already broken up with him, cut the ties because I value my own self worth to live my own life and not have my happiness dictated by anyone else. Like I said, I wasn't going to be a convenient doormat for anyone's life and that at the end of the day, yes, obviously it's their decision to stay in an unhappy environment for whatever reasons. I did remove myself from it. I love him & his kids, but I had to love myself more and be happy. I gave it a fair chance, and I have no regrets.

I've known "that" since day one and long before I met him...lol.

I'm sharing my story more so for the "Families" .....the mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, etc. that intentionally try to to cause trouble and interfere with the ones they claim to love. And they know who they are and what they are doing when they do it.

I have a family too, like I said, I'm a mother....and I'm trying to give some sage advice to buttinsky (even if you think you know it all and mean well family members) and in my particular case it happened to be someones mother, it could be any family member for example.

My advice is ....if you know a family member, be it a grown child, a bro a, sis, even your own parent who has finally found happiness and love again, and it's hard enough to make any romantic relationship work these days(or none of us would be on this dating site trying to find it, hey) to step back. And unless you know for a fact that your family member is dating "Jeffery Dahmer".........love and respect them (and yourself) enough to let them have their space, have their relationship, and be happy. Giving your 2 cents is fine, but a buck fifty isn't...lol.."

Be genuinely happy and supportive of the relationship and welcome the new person in. Don't ever make the new person feel like they are the only ones who need to "earn" (as some have said) your respect or place in the family. Really, how arrogant and unaccepting, uninviting, unloving is that. Treat people as "innocent" before trying to prove them "guilty". Remember they don't know you and what they are getting themselves into either, so it's more of a two way street. Because there are at least two people involved in that relationship and the person your son, daughter, whomever is dating has the right to be respected, and given a fair chance as you would want to be if in their shoes.

So to the "Families" of others who are trying to have a romantic relationship, think about "how you would want to be treated" when/if you are trying to have a relationship and would like to become a part of someone else's family.

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Tue 11/12/13 12:53 PM
Obviously, there are some people on this forum that have their own experience as we all do, and are yet, still not hearing what I'm stating in my messages, let me put it into oneliners for those who need the coles notes version more...lol.

He didn't have a job in the beginning for years, but his previous life left him with money to live on so he could be a stay home dad to 2 little girls an 18 month old baby and a 4 year old after his wife had breast cancer and died at 33 yrs.

He is an academically educated man.

Obviously he's a guy and I'm sure the single dads out there, especially if you have daughters, it is different I think than mothers raising children for so many reasons that I shouldn't have to explain, I hope.

So that said, picture a distraught, scared, devastated, grieving young 33 year old man with 2 little babies. Ask yourself, "what would you do?"

Would you drink yourself to death, do drugs, give up your kids, commit suicide, or whatever million other so called solutions to the unthinkable life tragedy that you are now living....would you choose.

He, being the good loving person and father that he is, does what anyone that comes from a huge family of 13 other siblings, and a still living parent of his, would think he could do. He moves home with his own parent in this time of extreme need. She has the space and seems to welcome and encourage him to do so.

He is grateful of course to have such a loving mother/family to lean on of course.....but time goes on, years go on.

The once supportive mother of his, is now acting like a "wife" ......and to some degree she is helping raise these girls, so of course she has say, he (nor am I for that matter) is disputing that. That's fine.......to a degree....but it starts to get out of hand, especially when he has worked through probably the hardest part of his grief and he is a young man now (mid thirties), he is human and has so much love to give. Yes, he actually can still say he still has love to give someone else and would like to find it in return. Most people going through this are not half as stoic, humble gentle and not angry to be able to try to move on with another person.

He has had a couple dif. longterm relationships in this timeframe, his girls accept and adjust to him dating, so even they aren't acting like some kids might and understandably so, if they were jealous, but this wasn't the case. They wanted to see their dad happy with someone else.

But the "Mother" "his own "Mother" .....who offered her hand in that time of ultimate need, is acting like he and his kids owe her something...other than gratitude.

Before she (his mother) had even met me, she tried to break us up....by filling his head and the kids with all dif. kinds of negative scenarios. He was honest enough with me to warn me of it. And by this time, we had been dating for a while, long enough for him to decipher, if I were a murderer, or whatever and not fit to bring into their lives.

The kids meet me, we gradually become close, good friends, spend time together, all in a progressive, sensible timeframe, we eventually gotten to the point where his children in their own time and way told me they loved me and their dad and I were good together and vice versa, I grew to love all three of them.

So we as in the three of us, are living our lives, making the blended relationship grow, wanting a longterm future together.

The whole time, I was promised by him that he was not just using me as scapegoat to get out of that dysfunctional life living with a controlling parent at his age. But that he saw and was working towards that, but even he could not hide his hesitation (and for the negative people who want to say, yeah, maybe he just did not want to be with me) Why not? - He did want to be with me, he always said so, showed it in the interim, etc. We were best friends, very attracted to each other and he'd always complimented me on my "being real and wise" .....this man loved me and I him.

But even his love for me and knowing his kids loved me and wanted to be with me, wasn't strong enough to fight off his own mother & her negative agenda. A mother who put her need & want of controlling her own family above her sons shot at happiness again.

So this all said, to the people who put all their trust & faith in their own families to "have your back and your best interest at heart" ........I hope you actually know "who" your family is and "what" they're about....because it is the most powerful bond and force on the planet, be it positive or negative......and if it's not "real, genuine, loving".........god help you.





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Tue 11/12/13 12:08 PM
Thank you, finally another sensible, call it like it is, voice of reason.

The really devastating part of this is....we were together for 2 years, the best of friends, his kids loved me and vice versa....no problem with that (our life).....so I was deeply and so were they emotionally invested in this relationship.

The thing that appalls me is that everyone keeps saying that OOOOwwww, "the family" .....like poor them.....as in the inlaws....... that I or anyone should bend over backwards and even the guy and his children should they bend over backwards and not live their own life to appease someone they unfortunately are living with which happens to be the highest member of their own family.

Granted he's a father with 2 girls (young teens now)....who is obviously scared, confused by "family obligation & loyalty, or guilt or whatever" even if it has its own agenda.....and has been abused into being a victim unfortunately by his own family for years.

Like I said in one of my other replies, "Family is great and we are lucky to have them" .....by are we lucky to have a controlling, selfish, abusive family .....who weilds so much power and guilt trips for their own benefit. I don't know what morals the people on this forum have, but mine are to genuinely love my family, not abuse or control them in anyway.

I was patient obviously to put up with the inlaw drama, obviously I loved this person, but their fear of, guilt for "familial loyalty" in this situation is costing their own happiness. It's almost like dating someone who was in an abusive relationship or trying to get away from one. All the red carpet, the support, love, even being nice to people who tried to verbally abuse me, as well.....whatever I offered couldn't get through to someone going through that.

So if anyone wants to get on their high horses of defending "Family"....lets hopefully agree that it's the good unselfish families you're talking about, not the abusive controlling ones. And we all know they do exist and can absolutely reek havoc and probably cause the most destruction in peoples lives. Or there wouldn't be a million books, and PHD's born out of the need to combat real "Familial dsyfunction and abuse in whatever form"

And for the record, aren't relationships supposed to be a two way street......& yes, I know my worth...I didn't deserve or was willing to put up with watching the people I cared about being controlled and abused......my hands were tied....I know you can't save anyone, no matter what their circumstance, no matter how much you love them. It really boils down to "how much they love themselves"

I guess I was naive enough and in love with him enough to think I could be his lifeline ....but at what cost?...."losing myself".

This isn't the way families, romantic relationships or how life works......at the end of the day, no matter how much it hurts to stay, no matter how much it hurts to go.....and come to terms with the fact that you can't save another person, they have to be ready to save themselves and he wasn't ready...So I had no other choice to save myself.

Because drowning with someone, isn't saving anyone, hey.

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Tue 11/12/13 11:29 AM
Dear Pacific Star,

Thank you for the advice, but you have absolutely no clue as to what was going on. So let me offer some more specifics.

For the record, the "jailee" ..."a man", stated to me time and time again how controlling his mom was, judgemental and unaccepting of anyone he'd ever tried to have a relationship with, and he could see how jealous his own mother was, because "as mothers" or at least some selfish ones, they want to keep their children home at any age, and they are the ones dictating to them how to live their lives. Nothing was ever compromising or good enough for her. He and the kids used to want to come to my place to be with me and I have written proof of them saying they didn't want to be around her or live there anymore. Even her own grandchildren said, "nan doesn't want dad to be with anyone & she's jealous".

So to answer your presumption, they, as in the guy and his children which I had a great relationship with wanted wholeheartedly to get away from the household drama going on there. And there is so much more detail to the story, like another family member living there (that the grandmother allowed, by the way) who was into drugs, etc. Not the safest or stable setting for children.

And to add to it, the guy was a widower, who'd lost his wife while those kids were babies and thought they were moving home to his mom (their grandmothers house)in their most vulnerable time of need....but as time went on.... to be brainwashed, controlled, and verbally abuse by her for years, because she so-called gave up her life to help them. Well, let's give her a "Grandmother of the year award" shall we.....for "being there to help them"....yeah, right, and now they owe her, right......their souls, their autonomy, their next born child to control.

It's really sad to think that family who is supposed to love you "unconditionally" that when "the condition of you being actually happy with a new person", and they were, as they always said" The same family intentionally and selfishly interferes (remember they are under the same roof - her roof).....because she's the ruler of the roost & their lives apparently....and is the same family that has to look at their son and granddaughters being unhappy without me, and they think they've "won somehow".........no one has "won" in this situation. Or at least not the people that should have.

Don't get me wrong in any of this and my family values. I believe in loving supportive families and mine is, that's why they truly have my best interest at heart and would never corner me into the "blood is thicker than water card"....when it suits them, thank god. Apparently, BS is thicker than blood in that family to his mom, that she's willing to see her son and grandchildren unhappy as some kind of one-up-manship reward of "her giving up her life"

Let me tell you something, I'm a mother, not a grandmother yet, but if my son were to come to me after his wife died and needed me, I would not only give "up my life" ....I would "give my life" ...if I could take away that kind of pain. And needing anything in return would never ever be on the table. Pretending to be unselfish in one hand while taking it back in the other is not what real families do.

That's the real definition of family in my book.

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Mon 11/11/13 02:00 PM
LOL.....yeah, maybe I'll start dating people who have no parents left alive, Ex: buttinsky mother-in-laws, no kids, especially spoiled ones, and no siblings....lol. I think that narrows my already specific wish, hope for the best list of meeting the man of my dreams down a lot.

Thanks for the real acknowledgement that this is a big issue and other people, especially someones family can definitely ruin or at least play a huge role in the demise of a relationship.

And obviously we can't control the other person to put their foot down, and it seems us putting our foot down only gives the family more ammunition unfortunately.



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Mon 11/11/13 01:38 PM
Edited by FaithTrustRespect on Mon 11/11/13 01:46 PM
If you were dating someone who lived with their mom, out of necessity for awhile now to have help with kids. And she and kids were "controlling" that person. And the person you were dating felt that familial obligation, guilt tripping and pull, how was the relationship supposed to work if you felt like you were dating someone who is in a "Family jail"......

Don't get my wrong, I know that value of having family support but there are some family members that can be jealous and selfish when it comes to letting you live your own life. And they are threatened by the new person in your life.

How to set boundaries when it comes to potential inlaws, family?