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Wed 12/17/08 08:05 PM

wow!!!!do you live to argue?laugh laugh and go to any point to "prove" you are right? lovemeifyoucan?its a wonder that is your screenname it all makes sense to me...laugh laugh lighten up guy!!flowerforyou flowerforyou


Actually, the screenname is from a song, by Toby Keith...."Love Me If You Can".....
Yeah, I am being a stubborn a$$hole on here because this is not what I posted the thread for...everyone wanted to attempt to make my opinion look wrong....I did not post this to hear opposing opinions.....it was for those with similar beliefs to post in....always has to be someone come in and put in their unwanted 2 cents

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Wed 12/17/08 08:01 PM

and saying whatever to make people go flying off the handle...


so, you're saying that this is a bogus thread anyway and created just to stir people up?



originally, no, it was not.

It was to state my opinion and for those who saw it the same way to say something.....but it got so twisted from what I wanted it to be, that I said fvck it.

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Wed 12/17/08 07:57 PM



DOI, was a general statement of how this new nation should work....


WRONG as wrong can possibly be

the Declaration of Independence was just that

it was formal notice to King of England that the colonies were severing ties to the throne. not some kind of philsophical treatise. It was basically a declaration of war

stop posturing and pontificating and actually read what it says


read what I quoted smart guy...what I quoted is the whole point


I suspect that I have read it about three hundred times more than you have

smart guy


well.....guess we are both smart guys.....I am just stirrin' sh1t up now.......I have realized that this op is one of the things that will never end as a n argument.....so I just started posting whatever I could think of off the top of my head...
you are right though....I mistakenly misquoted....I was looking to fast, and not paying enough attention....it happens ...lol

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Wed 12/17/08 07:53 PM


yeah....whatever.......for the most part, I respect other people boundries.......and their beliefs.....

But I think it is BULLS*IT, when stores feel the need to cater to UNAMERICAN WAYS IN AMERICA....

Screw the "happy holidays" crap....

It was founded as CHRISTMAS....not HOLIDAY.

other cultures may believe in something other then CHRISTMAS....but IN AMERICA WE HAVE CHRISTMAS...
if you live in America....you should respect the culture of OUR ways....as americans should do in other countries....

With that being said....

drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

MERRY CHRISTMAS.....And a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I see it this way. If a store feels the need to be objective and cover all holidays with "Happy Holidays" so be it. That's there way of making everyone happy. but when I say it back I can say whatever I please. And I do.

((((((((((((((( MERRY CHRISTMAS )))))))))))))) it is.

What I think's funny .. you go into stores pushing for sales and putting up Christmas decorations to get people in the spirit .. and what is playin over head?

You got it ........ CHRISTMAS CAROLS :wink: and no one can take the lyrics out of those. Just try. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I think the whole big deal is ridiculous. Everybody wants to celebrate their happy days :banana:


I guess I am just causing some EDGY trouble over here, and saying whatever to make people go flying off the handle.....this is the longest thread I have had yet, since I joined this site.....LOL

So, how ya doin fade?

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Wed 12/17/08 07:51 PM

We will HAVE a new gov in Jan....thank goodness!!!!


That is half of the problem.....granted, he will probably do better then Bush......but I can promise you....before his term(s) are up, most who voted for him will be wishing they hadn't....

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Wed 12/17/08 07:49 PM

DOI, was a general statement of how this new nation should work....


WRONG as wrong can possibly be

the Declaration of Independence was just that

it was formal notice to King of England that the colonies were severing ties to the throne. not some kind of philsophical treatise. It was basically a declaration of war

stop posturing and pontificating and actually read what it says


read what I quoted smart guy...what I quoted is the whole point

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Wed 12/17/08 07:47 PM

I think this thread is in bad taste.
we all come from different backgrounds
not everyone celebrates as you do
and I am in no way offended if someone wishes me Happy Holidays versus Merry Christmas
I'm just happy they're wishing me well
it is ignorant to ask a vendor of any kind recognize only one religion.
for all you know the owner of that establishment is Jewish
would you be less offended if they said Happy Hanukkah?



I am offended by none of it.....that is the point....why should Merry Christmas offend anyone?

OH fvckin' wah wah wah wah, they are prejudice because their WORDS offend me.....that is how stupid it all is...

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Wed 12/17/08 07:45 PM

back to school for you grasshopper

AND what does the US Constitution/Declaration of Independence have to do with Christmas?



must not have read where I posted this....I said then that it has little to nothing to do with the OP.


What I find funny, is that the same people who THINK they know so much are the ones who are being fooled by this crooked government...

What the people need to realize, is that we need to be fighting them instead of each other....

time for a new gov....

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Wed 12/17/08 07:41 PM
think about it.....tha DOI was completed in 1776....the constitution was 1791.

DOI, was a general statement of how this new nation should work....

By 1791, it was decided that there was a need for something more specific, to base things from...the ideas for the constitution were derived from the DOI.....

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Wed 12/17/08 07:36 PM




We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.


From the US Constitution..




Its from the Declaration of Independence you foolish person. noway You are not allowed to quote anything without knowing what the hell it is. happy


The Constitution is based on this my dear.



ummmm, not really


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The United States Constitution (summary)
© Copyright 2001, Jim Loy

The U.S. Constitution defines, empowers, and limits the U.S. government. Here is a summary:


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Constitution of the United States 1791

Preamble
Article 1 - Legislature (Congress)
Section 1 - definition
Section 2 - House of Representatives
Section 3 - Senate
Section 4 - elections
Section 5 - rules
Section 6 - pay...
Section 7 - revenue bills, presidential veto...
Section 8 - powers of Congress
Section 9 - limits
Section 10 - limits on states
Article 2 - Executive (President)
Section 1 - definition...
Section 2 - powers
Section 3 - some duties
Section 4 - impeachment
Article 3 - Judicial power (Supreme Court)
Section 1 - definition
Section 2 - powers
Section 3 - definition of treason
Article 4 - States
Section 1 - other states
Section 2 - citizens...
Section 3 - new states
Section 4 - state governments
Article 5 - Constitutional amendments
Article 6 - Constitutional supremacy...
Article 7 - Ratification
signatures

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Bill of Rights (first ten amendments) 1791

Amendment 1 - Freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition
Amendment 2 - Right to keep and bear arms
Amendment 3 - Quartering of soldiers
Amendment 4 - Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure
Amendment 5 - Due process...
Amendment 6 - Speedy trial...
Amendment 7 - Trial by jury
Amendment 8 - Cruel and unusual punishment
Amendment 9 - Rights...
Amendment 10 - States

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Amendments (year ratified)

Amendment 11 - Judicial powers (1795)
Amendment 12 - Election of president and vice-president (1804)
Amendment 13 - Slavery abolished (1865)
Amendment 14 - Limits upon states (1868)
Amendment 15 - Right to vote not limited by race (1870)
Amendment 16 - Income tax (1913)
Amendment 17 - Election of senators (1913)
Amendment 18 - Prohibition of alcohol (1919) [repealed by 21st Amendment (1933)]
Amendment 19 - Right to vote given to women (1920)
Amendment 20 - Terms of office of president, vice president, senators, and representatives (1933)
Amendment 21 - Repeal of Prohibition (Amendment 18) (1933)
Amendment 22 - Presidency limited to two terms (1951)
Amendment 23 - Presidential vote in D.C. (1961)
Amendment 24 - No poll tax (1964)
Amendment 25 - Presidential disability and succession (1967)
Amendment 26 - Voting age lowered to 18 (1971)
Amendment 27 - Congressional pay (proposed in 1789, ratified in 1992)



this is a summary of the constitution......what is talked about in the DOI, is covered in this.

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Wed 12/17/08 07:32 PM


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.


From the US Constitution..




Its from the Declaration of Independence you foolish person. noway You are not allowed to quote anything without knowing what the hell it is. happy


The Constitution is based on this my dear.


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Wed 12/17/08 07:31 PM

Yes, there were Christian men among the Founders. Just as Congress removed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording is here

"All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable."

Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones:

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights."

But we are not governed by the Declaration of Independence-- it is a historical document, not a constitutional one.


I have to beg to differ with you on this....after all....it was after the revolutionary war that this was written, to establish a new beginning, and an ideal way to approach legal matters....

This has little to nothing to do with the reason I posted this thread....actually, I posted this because of the part where it says, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "

I think this Gov is going down the sh1thole, and not very many people in this country see this for what it is.....

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Wed 12/17/08 07:20 PM
Edited by lovemeifyoucan26 on Wed 12/17/08 07:20 PM
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.


From the US Constitution..

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Wed 12/17/08 06:38 PM
Edited by lovemeifyoucan26 on Wed 12/17/08 06:40 PM



OH....Learn something new everyday...LOL
oh golly gee whiz



No WAYYYYYYY am I gonna quote all those crazy bananas ... eeeeeeeeeeeeek

noway


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Wed 12/17/08 05:19 PM

I understand what you are saying.....
I did not mean it was started in this country....whatever the case may be, it has been referred to as such for a very long time....and There is nothing offensive about simply words of kind intentions....


I had to explain this to Aqua also. Im not sure who was having such a hard time with verbal greetings of Merry Christmas. I personally would not have a problem with that. You will offend someone at some point in time if you continue to say Merry Christmas to complete strangers however. That is your choice. It imposes your own spirituality onto others.

Happy Holidays is to be displayed in public thoroughfares. .


essentially, what it all boils down to is a matter of opinion....it is my opinion, and that of many I know, that it should stay as it was when it started in this country....

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Wed 12/17/08 03:26 PM





Yeah, there's no use arguing with him. He will listen to his viewpoint only.


I see that a lot in here (and everywhere else)

just do what I do and make fun of em without trying to engage their arguments


I'm all for people debating. It's when they get angry and start insulting those who don't agree with them is what I don't like. I guess some people just can't do that.


I insult people who are directly, or indirectly attempting to insult me.....or, when they are smart people, debating on a topic which has nothing to do with what I am talking about....I said something cut and dryed....and several people want to go so far out of proportion that they think they are still talking about the same thing


If you're having a civilized debate, there's no need to insult anyone, whether they agree with you or not.


I want some cookies....you want some cookies....lets go get some cookies...

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Wed 12/17/08 03:24 PM





It serves me no purpose to argue over what I think and believe verses what you think and believe. And as far as running with dogs of any type goes...Yeah... I'll pass from now on...


I remember a thing called "door warriors"......meaning that a person would talk trash, as if they were something to be feared.....but noone ever saw them out from behind the closed door, therefore the person felt safe, because they were sure the door would not open, thus, keeping them from harm.

I laugh when I read alot of threads, cause it seems that this is the case with alot of people on these sites.....internet warriors......LOL


I have made not one comment on this thread I can not back up with credible historical evidence. Can you say the same? I also would say everything I have stated on this thread directly to your face and not even bat an eyelash.


You seem to be intelligent....what you are not understanding, is that since "Christmas was started in this country, hundreds of years ago, never has anyone worried about offending someone by saying Merry Christmas....

You may have historical quotes.....but so far, next to none of them have had anything to do with the point I am making.


I was not addressing you in particular. Christmas was not "started in this country". Lets try not to argue and keep it civil. Im willing to hear your point of view. I have no vested interest in it one way or another but I can explain to you why the term "Happy Holidays" is used in public in the place of "Merry Christmas" It is essentially for very practical reasons.

I understand what you are saying.....
I did not mean it was started in this country....whatever the case may be, it has been referred to as such for a very long time....and There is nothing offensive about simply words of kind intentions.....

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Wed 12/17/08 12:22 AM

Jesus lived in a place where traders came from all over. Scholars think it is most likely that Jesus was Arab or African.

Also, lovemeifyoucan said that Jesus is not Arab, he is Jewish. Well...there are tons of Arab Jews - Judaism is a religion, not a race. Just like there are tons of Arab Christians. (And by the way, when Arab Christians pray...what word do you think they use address God? Allah = God = Dios = Dieu = Dio = 上帝 = 천주 = 神 ...etc.)

Sorry...I'm just tired of people thinking Allah is some sort of pagan moon God. God bless our biased Western media!


I know who Allah is.....and have read bits of the Koran...

I will say that alot of it is the same as the Christian bible that Americans know and use...just worded differently.
I will stick with the biblical reference that Jesus was a Jew.....

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Wed 12/17/08 12:15 AM



Yeah, there's no use arguing with him. He will listen to his viewpoint only.


I see that a lot in here (and everywhere else)

just do what I do and make fun of em without trying to engage their arguments


I'm all for people debating. It's when they get angry and start insulting those who don't agree with them is what I don't like. I guess some people just can't do that.


I insult people who are directly, or indirectly attempting to insult me.....or, when they are smart people, debating on a topic which has nothing to do with what I am talking about....I said something cut and dryed....and several people want to go so far out of proportion that they think they are still talking about the same thing

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Wed 12/17/08 12:11 AM


Yeah, there's no use arguing with him. He will listen to his viewpoint only.


I see that a lot in here (and everywhere else)

just do what I do and make fun of em without trying to engage their arguments


git er done!

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