Tribo - It's good to hear you have your health again. I haven't personally tried the pads so I can't say with certainty they didn't help you...I think it could just be when you buy into the claims that it works, you expect it to work. You used them expecting to feel better in the morning and because you saw the pads turn dark you thought it was them that made you healthier and feel better. I think the mind is the body's most powerful healer....

As far as I am concerned, it is science. Just not your kind of science.



If a tree falls in the forest and nobody observes it, is it really there?




You cannot understand it simply because individuals are individuals. You demand on everything be consistent, but each person is unique. What medicine works for one person may not work for another person. A therapy that works for one person many not work for another person. Even drugs work for some and not for others. Its all about numbers. The mind, the attitude, the belief of a person has the power to heal. This is a very well accepted fact.

I received email about a tiger mother who had lost her cubs. Her health was failing because she was depressed. They looked for some new born animals for her to adopt but all they could find were young pigs. They dressed them up in tiger coats with strips. They did not know if she would adopt them or eat them. She adopted them and nursed them. The pictures are awesome.




This is the science and philosophy forum. You CAN find out how it works but if you do not believe it works it will not behoove you to even try. This belief works for any kind of medicine and therapy where belief is strong.

I was caring for an elderly lady and she was doing fine until she went to her doctor for a checkup. He told her how very sick she was. After he finished convincing her how sick she was she came home and within a week got very ill. She was convinced she should go to the hospital She ended up in the hospital and died within two weeks.

I honestly think if she had stayed away from that doctor she would have lived longer. It is the power of belief and the power of suggestion.

jb

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if ya can tell what the post is saying what is the dif


point is the point

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Well, I know some people thing that I'm emotionally angry or that I get emotionally upset with other people.

Truly I don't.

I may get 'frustrated' about the topic itself, but I don't get emotionally attached to the dialogs.

As soon as I'm done typing I turn around and do something else entirely different with no emotional attachment at all to what has previously been said.

And you're right, I am the devil's advocate. I could go through the Old Testament and find lot of really great stuff to say about the biblical picture of God. There are good things in there too.

But that's irrelavent. The only point that I'm truly trying to make is that it can't all be the word of God. Some of it is truly dispicable and clearly did not come from God.

Christians need to realize that the entire Bible just can't be the word of God.

Of course, that flies in the face of the very religion.

I don't believe that the religion can be salvaged to be quite honest about it. This is why I moved on a totally different pagan picture of God.

I still see it as worshiping the creator of this universe. I just see it as a more positive picture of both God and humanity.

I probably shouldn't even post my disagreement with the biblical picture of God. But I feel compelled to do it for some reason. And I'm not even sure why. In some ways it does seem like a total waste of time.

This is where Christians are truly blind. They just accept that the gospels are the verbatim words of Jesus himself. But they aren't.

Jesus was long since dead by the time the gospels were written. They are more than likely filled with demagogurey.

That's my whole position Sam.

So when you quote the Bible of what Jesus said it's meaningless to me because most of it is most likely demagogurey from the authoritarians who used a dead Jesus as their Marionette doll to revitalize their own version of a dying religion.

They certainly wanted you to believe that it was Jesus who said those things. And clearly they've pulled the wool over the eyes of the masses because that's precisely how most Christians believe. They cherish ever word like as if it came from the mouth of Jesus.

But it clearly didn't.

Jesus was crucified the first time on the cross.

He was crucified a second time when his martry status was used by authoritarians to create the gospels that people today believe are the words of Jesus.

No God could be as disgusting as the Bible claims Sam. It simply isn't possible.

Do you honestly believe that Jesus lusts to be the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords and have every knee bow to him and ever tongue confess that he is Lord?

What do you think God is?

And egotistical pig?

Why would the creator of this universe lust to be worshiped and served by a bunch of totally pathetic unworthy humans (that what the Bible claims we are!).

Clearly the story makes no sense at all.

What kind of a God would not be able to forgive sins without first being appeased by a blood sacrifice?

Yet this is what the Bible claims the God of Abraham is like.

Christians say, "With God All Things are Possible"

EXCEPT! God can't forgive sins unless he's appeased by a blood sacrifice.

Hell, even humans can forgive without being appeased with a blood sacrifice.

God couldn't just forgive men?

Doesn't that fly in the face of the idea that with God all things are possible?

Moreover the Crucifixion was God's idea, not man's. Jesus was supposedly born of a virgin for the express purpose of being the sacrificial lamb of God. Any attempt to prevent the crucifixion would be an attempt to reject the will of God.

The men who nailed Jesus to the cross would have being doing God's will!

It was God's idea to appease himself so he could forgive man of his sins.

I don't know about you Sam, but from my point of view this is most absurd mythology every written by mankind.

And it's most CERTAINLY not the first that has Gods who demand blood sacrifices. That was common in Greek Mythology too as well as all other Mediterranean mythologies and even mythologies from around the world. But all the different Gods wanted to be appeased for different reasons and they had different laws, etc. So they can't all be from the creator of this universe.

I put it to you; what is the chance that the real creator of this universe would just coincidentally be appeased by blood sacrifices just like almost every other manmade mythology.

I don't believe any real divine being would be appeased by blood scrifices, and I also don't believe that any real divine being would have ever asked men to nail his son to a pole so he could find it in himself to forgive them of their sins.

You think I need to get a grip?

These people who think that God is truly like the Bible claims need to get a grip.

If the bible is true, God is truly one sick puppy. Not only is he a self-confessed jealous God at the beginning of the Old Testament, but he also lusts to be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over his own creation. A creation that a fallen angel seems to have the upper hand in, by the way. This same book claims that Satan wins the vast majority of souls that the biblical God creates.

That's supposed to be a great picture of a God?

Please.

Surely even the Christians themsleves would have to jump for joy and celebrate if they were to discover that the entire Bible is a lie.

That would mean that God doesn't lust for blood sacrifices. It would mean that mankind didn't fall from grace from his creator. It would mean that God never told anyone to stone sinners to death or murder heathens. It would mean that no one is guilty for the death of Jesus other than the men who actually murdered him!

What's not to celebrate?

Who in their right mind would WANT the Bible to be true?

Seriously?

Who would want such a horrific picture of God and humanity to be true?

And if we don't want it to be true, then why are we believing it on PURE FAITH?

Why would we place our FAITH in a horrific story that we truly hope is not true?

There are MUCH BETTER pictures of God to place your faith in.

Idz uh gerl meye lowrd inna flahtbead fowrd!