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Topic: The brain vs the mind.
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Wed 11/19/08 12:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 11/19/08 12:24 PM
When it comes to information, where is it stored, in your brain or your mind?

If it is in your brain, then shouldn't the information be extracted from your brain after you die?

It it is in your mind, where is your mind?

Can a person have a brain but lack a mind?

Can a person have a mind but lack a brain?




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Wed 11/19/08 12:30 PM

When it comes to information, where is it stored, in your brain or your mind?

If it is in your brain, then shouldn't the information be extracted from your brain after you die?

It it is in your mind, where is your mind?

Can a person have a brain but lack a mind?

Can a person have a mind but lack a brain?




flowerforyou Every form of intelligent life(animals) we have discovered so far has a brain.flowerforyou

reydar's photo
Wed 11/19/08 12:40 PM
and from what I hear..LOL.. the military is working on the extracting information thing as we speak...LOL

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Wed 11/19/08 12:44 PM


Can a person have a mind but lack a brain?



I would say no to this one!

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Wed 11/19/08 12:58 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 11/19/08 01:00 PM
Here is a decent article.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080423121427.htm

I will find some more. Maybe some videos . . .

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So far I have found nothing that would indicate that the mind is anywhere but the brain.

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Wed 11/19/08 01:06 PM
When it comes to information, where is it stored, in your brain or your mind?

:smile: I would say the brain:smile:

If it is in your brain, then shouldn't the information be extracted from your brain after you die?

:smile: Theoretically, this should be possible under the right conditions:smile:

It it is in your mind, where is your mind?

:smile: Seems to be the brain.:smile:

Can a person have a brain but lack a mind?

:smile: Yes, people in vegetative comas:smile:

Can a person have a mind but lack a brain?

:smile: I doubt it based on what has been observed so far in nature.:smile:

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Wed 11/19/08 01:27 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 11/19/08 01:35 PM

When it comes to information, where is it stored, in your brain or your mind?

:smile: I would say the brain:smile:

If it is in your brain, then shouldn't the information be extracted from your brain after you die?

:smile: Theoretically, this should be possible under the right conditions:smile:

It it is in your mind, where is your mind?

:smile: Seems to be the brain.:smile:

Can a person have a brain but lack a mind?

:smile: Yes, people in vegetative comas:smile:

Can a person have a mind but lack a brain?

:smile: I doubt it based on what has been observed so far in nature.:smile:

I concur. We make changes to the brain, it effects the mind.

If you get stressed out of your "mind" it effects your brain.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123100328.htm


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The very fact that chemical changes in the brain can so radically effect perception (ie hallucinogens) pretty much says it all.

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Wed 11/19/08 01:50 PM
flowerforyou I think that at some point in the near future people will be able to "download" their minds into computers.flowerforyou

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Wed 11/19/08 03:04 PM

flowerforyou I think that at some point in the near future people will be able to "download" their minds into computers.flowerforyou


That's all I've ever wanted! The quest for immortality takes on an interesting new tone...

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Wed 11/19/08 03:07 PM


flowerforyou I think that at some point in the near future people will be able to "download" their minds into computers.flowerforyou


That's all I've ever wanted! The quest for immortality takes on an interesting new tone...
glassesI believe that if this world civilization does not destroy itself, then Singularity will be achieved (maybe in our lifetimes).glasses

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Wed 11/19/08 06:02 PM
I believe that memory is stored in the mind and that the mind is independent of the physical brain. This is not based on any "logoic". It is based on personal observation.

I haven't seen the details of any research into memory, so I cannot refute any of it. But regardless of what any research may indicate to anyone else, I have no reason to believe it is accurate if it concludes something that is contrary to my own observation.

happy

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Wed 11/19/08 06:22 PM

I believe that memory is stored in the mind and that the mind is independent of the physical brain. This is not based on any "logoic". It is based on personal observation.

I haven't seen the details of any research into memory, so I cannot refute any of it. But regardless of what any research may indicate to anyone else, I have no reason to believe it is accurate if it concludes something that is contrary to my own observation.

happy


I agree. I believe that memory resides in the mind and the mind resides in a unified field that surrounds the body. I believe that certain areas of the brain, like a computer only processes this information. It is like "read only memory" on a computer. When the person dies, the memory in brain cannot be retrieved. It is not there.

jb

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Wed 11/19/08 06:36 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Wed 11/19/08 06:37 PM

I believe that memory is stored in the mind and that the mind is independent of the physical brain. This is not based on any "logoic". It is based on personal observation.

I haven't seen the details of any research into memory, so I cannot refute any of it. But regardless of what any research may indicate to anyone else, I have no reason to believe it is accurate if it concludes something that is contrary to my own observation.
happy


I agree. I believe that memory resides in the mind and the mind resides in a unified field that surrounds the body. I believe that certain areas of the brain, like a computer only processes this information. It is like "read only memory" on a computer. When the person dies, the memory in brain cannot be retrieved. It is not there.

jb
That's not quite what I said Jeannie.

"...the mind resides in a unified field that surrounds the body..." seems to imply that the mind is dependent upon the existence of the field, which in turn is dependent upon the existence of the body.

I don't believe the mind is dependent upon the body, or a "field", in any way.

If anything, I would say that the mind is similar to a "field' in and of itself, and that it is located near "me". But the only reason the mind would be locatd near my body is because "I" was located near my body.

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Wed 11/19/08 06:48 PM


I believe that memory is stored in the mind and that the mind is independent of the physical brain. This is not based on any "logoic". It is based on personal observation.

I haven't seen the details of any research into memory, so I cannot refute any of it. But regardless of what any research may indicate to anyone else, I have no reason to believe it is accurate if it concludes something that is contrary to my own observation.
happy


I agree. I believe that memory resides in the mind and the mind resides in a unified field that surrounds the body. I believe that certain areas of the brain, like a computer only processes this information. It is like "read only memory" on a computer. When the person dies, the memory in brain cannot be retrieved. It is not there.

jb
That's not quite what I said Jeannie.

"...the mind resides in a unified field that surrounds the body..." seems to imply that the mind is dependent upon the existence of the field, which in turn is dependent upon the existence of the body.


I did not mean to imply that, I just did not go any further than that.


I don't believe the mind is dependent upon the body, or a "field", in any way.

If anything, I would say that the mind is similar to a "field' in and of itself, and that it is located near "me". But the only reason the mind would be locatd near my body is because "I" was located near my body.


I agree.

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Wed 11/19/08 06:57 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 11/19/08 06:57 PM

I don't believe the mind is dependent upon the body, or a "field", in any way.

If anything, I would say that the mind is similar to a "field' in and of itself, and that it is located near "me". But the only reason the mind would be locatd near my body is because "I" was located near my body.

Interesting, so does this mean "you" are not your body, or your mind . . . being that they are close to "you" would seem to imply not one thing, but three disparate things?

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Wed 11/19/08 07:06 PM
Interesting, so does this mean "you" are not your body, or your mind . . . being that they are close to "you" would seem to imply not one thing, but three disparate things?


Since I agree with him I will answer this question too.

I don't identify "myself" as "my body." It is simply a manifestation of me.


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Wed 11/19/08 07:43 PM
I don't believe the mind is dependent upon the body, or a "field", in any way.

If anything, I would say that the mind is similar to a "field' in and of itself, and that it is located near "me". But the only reason the mind would be locatd near my body is because "I" was located near my body.

Interesting, so does this mean "you" are not your body, or your mind . . . being that they are close to "you" would seem to imply not one thing, but three disparate things?
Exactly! Other than Jeannie, I think you're the first person I've ever seen in these forums that interpreted that language exactly the way it's said and intended without alteration.
happy drinker

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Wed 11/19/08 08:21 PM
The brain is an objective thing.

The "mind" is a mis-diagnosis.

The brain suffers from bodily damage.

If the brain suffers enough damage, any indication of the "mind" is eliminated.

Therefore, it is safe to say that mind is completely dependent on the brain's health for it's "existence".

The "mind" is just another name for the different faculties of the brain.

flowerforyou

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Wed 11/19/08 08:39 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 11/19/08 08:47 PM

I disagree... of course. The Mind is not just another name for the different faculties of the brain. That is not a fact, it is your opinion.

If the brain suffers enough damage, it cannot operate properly but that does not mean that the mind is eliminated.

This belief comes from the idea that the brain 'created' the mind or that the 'mind' is inside of the brain.


Analogy:

I am the mind. My computer is the brain. If my computer breaks down, I will cease to exist on Mingle. But that does not mean that I don't still exist.





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Wed 11/19/08 08:48 PM
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