It's not hard to find out. Go seek!


Anyway, back to the tired old point raised by BIS:



Wrong! Mineta erred in his testimony. The conversation was about UA 93, not AA 77.

You can read all about here, but I expect you won't.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=130731

Especially twoofers.

"Once is an attack, twice is a conspiracy."

Grand Moff Thring
Head of the Imperial Commission into the Death Star Atrocity.

Conrad, it's far from over yet. The chattering nutters are starting to put out theories about Dorner being ex-CIA, and he was killed because he knew too much about 9/11. I kid you not.

This may yet attain the vapid heights of the Sandy Hook CT's.

...and we're off with the old stuff again!

There has been heated debate within the galaxy on this very issue, although sadly, this is just yet another example of conspiracy theorists showcasing their inability to accept logic as well as the presence in the universe of chance, anomalies, negligence, humanoid and alien error, etc.

Below I will tackle some of the main Engineers and Designers for Truth (EDT) claims and hopefully shed light on what really happened that day.

EDT Claim: Lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine were part of an elaborate scheme to blow up the Death Star in order to drum up support for their Empire.

The Reality: What would Vader and the Emperor possibly gain from such an act? After the Death Star was destroyed, the economy of the Empire's reach, specifically their stocks in Sienar Fleet Systems and Kuat Drive Yards (Manufacturing companies of the Imperial Navy Fleet, specifically its TIE fighters and Star Destroyers) fell drastically after stock holders feared that the Empire was in turmoil. The Empire's currency system was also drastically hurt, to the point that the Galactic market nearly crashed as an imbalance in the value of Imperial credits took a major turn for the worst as Galactic citizens were unsure of who would be running the Galaxy, The Empire or a New Republic.

Add to the fact that the Death Star itself was inhabited by some of its top officials and finest stormtroopers, numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The Empire thrives on its manpower, so eliminating such a large quantity of Imperial officials and stormtroopers (Despite the fact that they aren't very good marksmen), not to mention the pilots, droids, and many other troopers... ridiculous. Why would they sacrifice so much?

Lastly on the Death Star note, this was a structure that had been the pride of the Empire. The ultimate symbol to its tight grasp over the galaxy. If they allowed it to be destroyed, that would certainly hurt their Galactic image and more star systems would easily slip through their fingers.


EDT Claim: The X-Wings and Y-Wings were remotely controlled or flown by droids.

Reality: There is absolutely no proof, beyond outright speculation, that the witnessed crafts (Seen flying out of the atmosphere of Yavin 4) were flown remotely. Sure, could droids have been programmed to attack the Death Star in various attack formations? Yes. It's possible, although highly unlikely.

Besides, witnesses, whose interviews were the major focus of the Death Star Commission Report, captured images of the Rebel Attack Fleet ascending into skies of Yavin 4 just before the destruction of the Death Star. A tower guard whose name has been classified, witnessed the launch, as did a number of additional crewmen.

The EDT dismisses all such claims, stating that those witnesses were paid off by the Empire and/or were forced to tell such stories in fear that the Empire would crush them with one swift stroke.

An EDT explanation also states that while witnesses saw Rebel pilots within those cockpits, the Rebel fleet did disappear for a short period of time as they broke through the atmosphere of Yavin 4. Now, they go on to say that the Empire obviously intercepted the fleet, took the pilots and their loyal droids, and replaced them with their own droids who went on to "attack" the Death Star.

There is no proof of this happening at all. Not one shred of evidence beyond pure speculation. Where did all of these Rebel pilots go?

In fact, if you look at the footage, taken from a groundbreaking documentary film about the destruction of the Death Star, you'll find that there is in fact footage of a live pilot within the cockpit of an X-Wing, just before the Rebel attack fleet engaged the Death Star.

Now, if this doesn't satisfy skeptics, I don't know what will. EDTs will simply say that this is in fact CG rendered footage, however if you compare the poor CG of the Death Star and Alderaan CG explosions, you'll see that these X-Wings are far superior images. And if they were done by the Empire, why is there such a stark difference in the detail and overall quality of CG used?

Obviously posted by an Imperial Shill.

Only because you provide such great comic material.

Oooh!!

Did the Rebel Alliance really blow up the Death Star, or was it all planned by Vader and the Emperor to drum up support for their war against the terrorists?



Engineers and Designers for Truth claim it was the latter. What evidence is there that it was really Skywalker and the other rebels?

"Burn" is a term for using Tear Gas.

There was a thread on JREF wondering how long it would take for the CT's to start. I now have a link. Thanks.

I'm sure they are, dear.



Yes, that was a joke, Dear.



Yes, of course he does, Dear.

The web bot predicts...

I wonder if Lord Rothschild is eligible for the Papacy?



"There will be mockers in the last days!"

Yes, the Illuminati created the Rothschildians by splicing the DNA of a Goanna with that of a juvenile Zionist. These beings will be created and nurtured until maturity, where they'll be sent forth to infiltrate the various royal families around the world and seed the virgin princesses with their mutant genes.

A New World Order will rise out of the effluent of the past! The Rothschildians shall rule over the weak humans, and enslave them into performing wicked deeds upon insects!

WTF? When you've been on here a little longer I think you'll see the point.

Yes, yes, I've heard it all before repeatedly. I knew it was a waste of time trying to explain it.

The stress was showing in the final episode of season 2 after he killed Shane. With Lori shunning him, and he declaring himself 'dictator', he made keeping the group alive his sole purpose in life. The constant stress of keeping the group safe for so long, and trying to meet their needs, combined with him trying to deal with killing Shane became a great burden. When Lori was killed the stress triggered a breakdown of sorts.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

The negative attitude was conveyed by inference (hence use of the term 'veiled'). Do you really think everyone is that stupid? What did that rant have to do with the existence of the Cartel/Cabal you mentioned?



No, I don't. I see you are employing your usual evasive tactic and avoiding the point. I wanted to know how that rubbish supported your opening statement, and why were Zionists portrayed with such disdain.



Irrelevant to my point. Why bring Zionists up to support your topic if they are irrelevant? You're making a nonsense of your nonsense.



Of course it's hard to tell, because it obviously not the case. Witch hunts are your speciality, not mine. I want to know what that veiled piece of anti-Semitic crap had to do with your opening statement. Your projections are immaterial.



Yes, of course. You have a talent for stating the obvious. What you don't have a talent for is answering questions directly. What does that veiled anti-Semitic diatribe have to do with your opening statement?



On a number of occasions you have given me cause not believe a word you say.

I'll be blunt: What do Zionists have to do with your contention? Why did you portray them in a negative fashion?

Please stop dancing around the issue, after all, it was your explanation. You have insulted everyone who doesn't believe your Illuminati stories, and yet, you never present a scrap of credible evidence, just libellous rants. Threads get dragged off topic around to these pet stories so often, that it's difficult to have an adult conversation here without being interrupted by CT crap, which eventually gets around to the topic of Zionists/Bankers/Jews or whatever group you're hating on this week. And you wonder why no-one believes you.