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Thu 01/24/13 11:18 AM

How can that be a felony?
Men make it up as they go and get paid to do it, its called legislation.

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Thu 01/24/13 11:17 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/24/13 11:17 AM



House votes to defuse debt limit crisis overwhelmingly to defuse debt crisis, decides to increase borrowing limit.....

...rather than doing anything to fix the problem or cut their spending".....


But that's their dilemma isn't it? There is a need to cut spending, but in a time of high unemployment, to do so (and jeopardising more jobs in the process) would only serve to generate more economic instability and diminish investor confidence. And, as a result, the spiral down to recession and or economic depression accelerates.
Government debt is nothing more than postponed poverty.

So which generation of kids will get our debt?


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Thu 01/24/13 11:15 AM
open letter

7 January 2013

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States of America
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Obama:

We, the elected sheriffs of Utah, like so many of our fellow Americans, are literally heartbroken for the loved ones of the murdered victims in Connecticut. As Utahans, we are not strangers to this kind of carnage – one of the latest being the 2007 Trolley Square murders wherein nine innocents were gunned down – five losing their lives.

We also recognize the scores of other recent domestic massacres, which have decimated countless honorable lives. As Americans, we value the sanctity of life. Furthermore, similar to our inspired Founders, we acknowledge our subservience to a higher power.

With the number of mass shootings America has endured, it is easy to demonize firearms; it is also foolish and prejudiced. Firearms are nothing more than instruments, valuable and potentially dangerous, but instruments nonetheless. Malevolent souls, like the criminals who commit mass murders, will always exploit valuable instruments in the pursuit of evil. As professional peace officers, if we understand nothing else, we understand this: lawful violence must sometimes be employed to deter and stop criminal violence. Consequently, the citizenry must continue its ability to keep and bear arms, including arms that adequately protect them from all types of illegality.

As your administration and Congress continue to grapple with the complex issue of firearm regulations, we pray that the Almighty will guide the People’s Representatives collectively. For that reason, it is imperative this discussion be had in Congress, not silenced unilaterally by executive orders. As you deliberate, please remember the Founders of this great nation created the Constitution, and its accompanying Bill of Rights, in an effort to protect citizens from all forms of tyrannical subjugation.

We respect the Office of the President of the United States of America. But, make no mistake, as the duly-elected sheriffs of our respective counties, we will enforce the rights guaranteed to our citizens by the Constitution. No federal official will be permitted to descend upon our constituents and take from them what the Bill of Rights-in particular Amendment II-has
given them. We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation.
Simply outstanding!

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Thu 01/24/13 11:05 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/24/13 11:08 AM

You better check the funding on this one.

I didnt need to go any further than this..


Anthony Watts
Watts Up With That?
To know its tripe.

One thing for sure.... if Gore says it's true, it's NOT!
Even a broke clock is right twice a day . . . in Gores case, only once, and full of hyperbole on severity, but none the less the science behind the core concepts are good.

You simply cannot dump exponentially greater and greater quantities of greenhouse gasses into an atmosphere without creating a very warm greenhouse like atmosphere.


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Wed 01/23/13 12:30 PM

Sounds like your typical CT to me.
. . and here the German Government is giving him a platform.


Keep speech free, even if only to make fun of these types and snark at what they consider evidence.

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Tue 01/22/13 04:15 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 01/22/13 04:21 PM

This is just an observation, but it's interesting to me how so many of the people against gun control tend to be white male republicans.
Definitely some correlation.

Which causes which?
Maybe they are related, but not causal?

Maybe it is a selection effect, are you sure other groups are not represented in significant quantities, but tend to not speak out?

A politician willing to support ALL rights would be my ideal candidate. What does that make me?

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoirThis guy is pretty outspoken . . . maybe its just this forum. Maybe if you did a study of youtube you would find a deviation of race, or politics. Dono

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Fri 01/18/13 05:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Juh5_gtb4 << gun free country!

Sounds like a utopia . . .

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Fri 01/18/13 03:40 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 03:46 PM



<--- Future gun totin Doc everyone. If you are good boys and girls I'll invite ya to my shootin range. ( I guess i could integrate that into my eye exams and have insurance pay for the ammo!:wink: )
If ever I find my way that far north!

But Maine? Ugh, sounds cold.


Seems like an odd question, but why would they even make a law that a doctor COULD NOT ask about guns at home? Seems like idle banter, unless, say, a child comes into the E.R. with a gunshot wound. Would that be violating your personal boundaries if the E.R. doctor says "How did that happen? Do you have guns at home?" Why throw the doctor in jail for that question?
Because a doctor should concern himself with ONLY the medical issue the patient has brought to his attention, or any other medical issues he discovers. Asking doctors to engage in data collection for political reasons falls outside what a doctor should focus on.

It leads to all kinds of slippery slope data collection avenues. Our government needs to stop co-opting professionals to support there ideologies by legal fiat.


There are already HIPAA laws on the books, as well as established doctor/patient confidentiality. The question, again, is why make that question illegal. The doctor can't really use it, except for possibly making a diagnosis, but otherwise, it's a completely harmless question. Were people getting arrested for admitting to their doctor that they did have a gun at home? I can't imagine a situation where we need such a law, except for super paranoid, gun-owning members of Congress dreamt it up.
No you don't understand.

Hippa is about personal information, it does not protect generalized data. The whole point of this is to collect data on gun ownership at a granular level stripped of personal info.

lol

Of course it sounds all nice and cuddly, politicians are not paid well just to make bad law, they have to sell the turd first.

Empowering a physician, who has no specialty in mental health to investigate his patient for gun ownership is NOT ok. Then allowing him to collect that data in a way which can be collected legally is not difficult at all.

Data collection for all kinds of disease is already done perfectly legally without violating any privacy laws.

If you believe this will not be used by the government you are seriously gullible.


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Fri 01/18/13 03:37 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 03:37 PM


Blah blah blah, stupid movie, and stupid people who care too much about what it MEANS . . .

Its a stupid movie, just like a ton of stupid movies, it has no meaning, its meant to make money.

If the movie makes you think, that is perfectly ok, just keep thinking.



to thinking people, its just a movie

to those inclined to believe in a world strictly as representend by media,,,,,their reality is easily impressed upon
You know I agree, but I have to really think hard to even find one person who REALLY buys into it. I just don't have the same negative impression of humanity as a whole.

All people have fantasies, all people enjoy story telling, we are beings of narration.

Even the least credulous, the most gullible amongst us still usually knows that movies are bs . . .

meh just my .02

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Fri 01/18/13 03:19 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 03:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rRSUEaLKvA

Tell me what you think of this man?

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Fri 01/18/13 08:24 AM





He was attacking your constitutional rights? He wasn't using free speech, which is a constitutionally protected right?
Hence the irony . . .

fixed it for ya
Of course you are right, even non-gun owners rights would be removed.


Isn't it amazing my friend?

Therein lies the problem..... people just don't get it! frustrated

I wear a patch on my vest that reads "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand!" It's about Harleys of course....but it fits this scenario perfectly!


Well, he can't be the one who takes away your right to own a gun. Just as you can't take away his right to free speech. So, wanting him deported for disagreeing with you is pretty lame.
I think there is plenty of evidence that rights have been infringed upon despite what the Constitution says.

Enough people convince themselves its ok, it becomes ok. By that standard he is indeed engaging in a process of removing our rights using his rights to do so.


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Fri 01/18/13 08:22 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 08:22 AM

<--- Future gun totin Doc everyone. If you are good boys and girls I'll invite ya to my shootin range. ( I guess i could integrate that into my eye exams and have insurance pay for the ammo!:wink: )
If ever I find my way that far north!

But Maine? Ugh, sounds cold.


Seems like an odd question, but why would they even make a law that a doctor COULD NOT ask about guns at home? Seems like idle banter, unless, say, a child comes into the E.R. with a gunshot wound. Would that be violating your personal boundaries if the E.R. doctor says "How did that happen? Do you have guns at home?" Why throw the doctor in jail for that question?
Because a doctor should concern himself with ONLY the medical issue the patient has brought to his attention, or any other medical issues he discovers. Asking doctors to engage in data collection for political reasons falls outside what a doctor should focus on.

It leads to all kinds of slippery slope data collection avenues. Our government needs to stop co-opting professionals to support there ideologies by legal fiat.

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Fri 01/18/13 08:10 AM
the numbers dying have not changed, regardless of the method of delivery,,,thats my point
Which is trivial.

the outrage over those deaths because they are from 'drones', the insistence on making it unique to this administration, when those types of deaths have been occurring for DECADES around the world
The outrage is not because it is from drones, it is because it is hypocritical to slay children, say nothing about it, then call for action here in the US without batting an eye lash at the contradiction.

You either care about every single child's life or you dont.

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Fri 01/18/13 08:06 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 08:07 AM


He was attacking your constitutional rights? He wasn't using free speech, which is a constitutionally protected right?
Hence the irony . . .

fixed it for ya
Of course you are right, even non-gun owners rights would be removed.

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Fri 01/18/13 07:50 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 01/18/13 07:57 AM

Yes, that was pretty enlightening. It's sad how the Cons in Congress castrated government agencies on behalf of the NRA. Seriously, no more than annual inspections of gun sellers?! So, once the ATF guy walks out the door, the shop owner can start selling crew-served machine guns and nobody can even look but the customers.

"The ATF recommends that you conduct an firearms inventory at least once per year." LOL.
Yea, I hear you, just imagine for a moment if we didn't have to worry about all these mass shootings from crew served weapon platforms!


The ATF puts people in prison, mandatory, for 10 years for adding a handle to a pistol, or a stock to a pistol, or shortening a barrel.

Does not matter that you harmed no one, just that you violated their arbitrary rules. Does not matter that the weapon is actually more or less dangerous, or capable, its scary that's what matters.

We put people in prison for 10 years because we are scared that they will modify weapons.

Or, heavens forbid someone sells a short barreled rifle without getting the ATF permission, then we are talking about bigger sentences. They need that 200 dollar "tax" stamp to fund the fast and furious BS. Cant have them going broke can we?!

THAT is what they want to go after. Just keep on keeping on without knowing anything about the actual details, but feel all righteous that you are doing something about the problem, without knowing what the problem actually is or if the doing even addresses it.

Good job.

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Fri 01/18/13 07:47 AM
and most of the suggestions of President Obama make sense.

I wish we lived in a country that could handle our guns better, and for the vast majority of gun owners, we can.
I wonder if anyone really thinks it makes sense when they examine the numbers.

So 200 million people need to have their rights restricted due to the incidence of mass killings by AR-15 wielding assailants?

So, even if we are incredible charitable and pretend that criminals will be unable to get this kind of weapon after the ban, even though their is studies showing that this is unlikely to cause any difficulty in that regard, we are looking at an event which accounts for less than 1/10 of a percent of murders to begin with.

Yea . . . makes sense, lets remove rights of the many for the actions of the TINY TINY TINY minority.

YUP, thats the change we need!

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Thu 01/17/13 11:56 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/17/13 11:59 AM
More levity.





Sooooooo, who looks at this graph and actually thinks that a causal relationship exists between gun ownership and murder?

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Thu 01/17/13 08:32 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 01/17/13 08:34 AM
this court is constrained by law, and under the law, I can only conclude that the government has not violated FOIA by refusing to turn over the documents sought in the FOIA requests, and so cannot be compelled by this court of law to explain in detail the reasons why its actions do not violate the Constitution and laws of the United States. The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me; but after careful and extensive consideration, I find myself stuck in a paradoxical situation in which I cannot solve a problem because of contradictory constraints and rules — a veritable catch-22. I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the Executive Branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws, while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret.

IMHO when you arrive at situations like this, the people who put forth the most recent law that caused this situation, should be arrested.

How else can we deter politicians from creating these kinds of situations? This is serious.

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Thu 01/17/13 07:39 AM
judging from mingle posts,, ID say its fact,,,,

espeically since 'many' is a general and indefinite description

just like one child dying is too 'many'...
Right so your opinion, and since it is based on a single, tiny website, it is also not well founded.

Gotcha . . .

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Thu 01/17/13 07:36 AM
When a man makes up stuff for a living . . . well you shouldn't believe any "science" he claims to put forth.


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