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The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is The Monday Line by Denis G. Campbell My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’ Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done. There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips. UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards? Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut. Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA). If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution? I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787. The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses? The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads. Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.” And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed? How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that? And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum. I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here? Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process. I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul? America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’ It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing. Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell UK Progressive magazine |
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Quote from Thomas Jefferson...."The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government". And we have a tyrant in the white house.
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The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is The Monday Line by Denis G. Campbell My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’ Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done. There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips. UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards? Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut. Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA). If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution? I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787. The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses? The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads. Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.” And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed? How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that? And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum. I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here? Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process. I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul? America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’ It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing. Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell UK Progressive magazine http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html NSA Analyst Proves GOP Is Stealing Elections Politics | Denis G Campbell | October 25, 2012 6:00 pm By Denis G. Campbell and Charley James (c) 25 October 2012 UPDATED: Why is Mitt Romney so confident? In states where the winner will be decided by less than 10%, of the vote he already knows he will win. This is no tinfoil hat conspiracy. It’s a maths problem. And mathematics showed changes in actual raw voting data that had no statistical correlation other than programmable computer fraud. This computer fraud resulted in votes being flipped from Democrat to Republican in every federal, senatorial, congressional and gubernatorial election since 2008 (thus far) and in the 2012 primary contests from other Republicans to Mitt Romney. This goes well beyond Romney’s investment control in voting machine maker Hart Intercivic and Diebold’s close ties to George W. Bush. Indeed all five voting machine companies have very strong GOP fundraising ties, yet executives (including the candidate’s son Tagg Romney) insist there is no conflict between massively supporting one party financially whilst controlling the machines that record and count the votes. A retired NSA analyst has spent several sleepless nights applying a simple formula to past election results across Arizona. His results showed across-the-board systemic election fraud on a coordinated and massive scale. But the analysis indicated that this only happens in larger precincts because anomalies in small precincts can be more easily detected.(article goes on) But what I posted shows what a Loon the Guy really is! |
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100% hyperbole 0 facts.
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Like every iceberg that comes out of DC these days, the majority of it, from which the abuses arise, is hidden under the interpretation of the enforcers and thousands of pages of legal BS Einstien couldn't make sense of, so the default is in favor of the enforcer, and not challenged by the courts. Again, the people lose in the name of safety and security, just like the NDAA, drones, survielence, warrantless wire taps and searches, indefinate detention.... just more abuse, never a solution, never in keeping with our constitution or our rights under it! Those who give up their liberties in the name of security, deserve neither, and will lose both! |
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No amount of gun laws will stop the NBP and NOI from arming themselves.
PS Hussein says; '"There should be more background checks on people buying guns"....unless you're the Obama administration and you want to sell them to Mexican drug cartels. |
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The Madness of the US Gun Culture Politics | Denis G Campbell | January 14, 2013 3:00 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is The Monday Line by Denis G. Campbell My birth country has gone starkers! Friends across Europe ask the same question, ‘are there that many guns in the USA?’ My answer never varies; ‘there are more!’ Living in a Welsh village has advantages. My kids go to school without guards and metal detectors. Kids here are just as rowdy and boisterous as anywhere else. My son had a jacket lining ripped out in a roughhousing incident. There was no police lockdown. Neither he nor the other kid involved ran home to grab a firearm to scare the other off. It was sorted, done. There are virtually no guns in Europe. Even hunters with shotguns cradle them safely in their arms walking through fields hunting dove, pheasant and rabbit. They walk in a single line, shotguns popped safely open, they communicate, there is a lookout ensuring no one is in the area and when it is time to shoot, they snap the rifle shut and fire one shot as needed. They are not in the fields with AR-15 assault rifles spraying 100 bullet clips. UK police (except for SWAT or other special units) mostly don’t carry firearms. They have a taser pack on their belt. When kids are spoken to by a PC (Police Constable) they move on. Compare and contrast with the US. In order to enter a school building one must navigate locked doors, buzzers, metal detectors and are monitored by CCTV cameras. That’s not enough? There are calls to arm teachers, administrators, janitors and post armed guards? Wing nuts, urged on by FOX News and a Republican/GOP/Tea Party off its rocker, are gobbling up assault weapons at a dizzying rate. Said a Midwestern gun shop dealer to a NY Times reporter, “If I had 1,000 AR-15s I could sell them in a week.” AR-15, the assault weapon Adam Lanza killed 28 with in Newtown, Connecticut. Gun nut rationale? ‘I’m defending my 2nd amendment rights.’ The government is once again so cowed, it will likely throw its hands up in defeat on renewing an assault weapons ban in the USA for fear of the National Rifle Assocation (NRA). If these are ‘second amendment’ rights, does anyone understand that an amendment is something added to change an original document, in this case the Constitution? I know I don’t want people from 235 years ago telling me how to live my 2013 life. Worse is we allow legislators and judges to look into a crystal ball to divine for their own political gain what was really meant back in 1787. The framers of the Constitution and their ‘strict intent’ is what we hear referenced over and over again as the justification for doing nothing that was not specifically proscribed word for word in that sacred text. What? Was it carved in stone tablets by the hand of God and brought down from Mount Philadelphia by Charlton Heston playing Moses? The framers did an excellent, thoughtful job crafting the original. Are we now to believe they gazed into the future and predicted today’s technology? Does anyone believe the framers foresaw the day where single shot muskets (which took several seconds to reload) would be replaced by semi-automatic rifles shooting 4-5 rounds a second? It’s pretty clear their only intention was to ensure a ready militia in a land without vehicles or good roads. Now gun advocates threaten that ANY new measures could foment “The Next American Revolution?” So they recommend armed insurgency to protect their guns? Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh “jumped the shark” encouraging dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with new gun laws. Paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.” And it gets sillier by the minute: An Ohio school board voted to arm janitors. A Utah town wants to make it mandatory for everyone to carry handguns, even in classrooms! (What could possibly go wrong?) Utah state law allows teachers to carry concealed weapons (anyone with a special permit can) without telling parents teachers in their child’s school are armed? How did 3 million NRA members armed with an insane amount of cash (poorly spent as they won a disastrously low 0.83% of their races in 2012) get to bully 330 million Americans? Who needs an AR-15 and 100 bullets to hunt Bambi? 100 rapidly fired bullets won’t just kill that deer, it will vaporise it! Where’s the ‘sport’ in that? And we have Bubba packing canned goods into an underground bunker planning to overthrow the government, yet the GOP House ignores him? They fight all attempts to bring sanity to the gun discussion, choosing instead to spend hours in meaningless show-hearings aimed at brown-skinned Muslim men, the convenient post 9-11 whipping boys, whilst ignore the real white supremacist militia threats from within? The lunatics run the asylum. I’m frequently asked if I’ll live in the USA again? I answer, ‘not likely. Why would I put my kids in armed camp schools when our village and local schools focus on educating vs. handgun training?’ Why would I exchange politely flashing my headlamps to allow another to pass on a narrow roadway for the too real possibility of dying from a road rage gun? Why return to a country where up to 25% of my net income is spent insuring and receiving healthcare from the most expensive, yet 37th ranked provider in the world, when it’s free here? Why return to a nation where in the midst of a flu epidemic, people cannot afford to lose time from work because the sick leave I had when I worked there two decades ago is legally no longer provided by their employer? And vacation is now also taboo in the USA while a month is the norm across the EU. We know that a well-rested, recharged worker does better at their job! We also don’t rush women back to work after childbirth, recognising this is a critical time in child rearing. Even Dads get leave to help out at home and be a part of the birthing and child raising process. I moved to Europe for love. I’ve stayed 15 years because I love the way people look out for each other. But that’s derisively called ‘socialism’ in the US? So be it. Here’s my real question, why would I return to a nation that has lost its ability to care for those without means, what used to be its heart and its soul? America was once the most caring nation in the world, now it slaps a flag and says support out troops without any real sense of sacrifice. It too is for show. And having spent 40 years there, I’m gutted by this. The cesspit of corruption fuelled by resigned voter apathy is so bad even actor Jackie Chan last week called the US, ‘The most corrupt nation in the world.’ It was not always that way. It can change in an instant. People must stop letting the wingnut with the loudest voice win. Stand for something! Otherwise… you stand for nothing. Also broadcast as a Special Comment on World View with Denis Campbell UK Progressive magazine Is this Guy for real? I live in Europe! 
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There are virtually no guns in Europe. So we have two ends of a spectrum. Europe, and the US. One has as many guns as citizens, and the other we are going to say has virtually no guns. In the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. These numbers are a few years old, but it doesn't matter, they have not changed that much since. I know math is not many peoples strong suit, and even less so of those that put forth articles like the one in the OP, but lets take a second and ask a few questions. What is the ratio of guns, to murder in these countries. If we say Europe has virtually 0 guns, and the US has 330 million guns, then we should be able to create a ratio of these two numbers and the murders should follow suit and be close to the same ratio . . Now I am too charitable to compare 0 to 311 million, create a ratio and pretend that is accurate, so instead I actually looked up some research on how many guns are in the hands of civilians in the UK. Karp, Aaron.2007.‘Completing the Count: Civilian firearms: Annexes online.’ Small Arms Survey 2007: Guns and the City.Cambridge:Cambridge University Press,27 August. (Q6493)Full Citation The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
(US) 311m citizens \ 200m guns (UK) 56m citizens \ 4m guns Ratio of Murder: 5 per 100K / 1.4 per 100K If the number of guns made a difference in the number of murders then the UK should have 36 million guns, not 4 million. The US should have a murder rate of 22.2 per 100 thousand. This is a difference of a power of 4. The correlation is off, and not by a small amount. What this shows you is that gun ownership is not the problem. That far more people have guns than use them irresponsible. |
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Did Barry really say this?
"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." |
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Sadly the media which is controlled by big companies target this to gain ratings a madman or woman on the 3rd trimester of pms could kill 3 times that many using a car racing around a shopping mall parking lot and only be charged with dangerous driving and not murder! this may make the 6 pm news then dissapear but nobody would want to ban cars Which are a lot easier to get and kill over 10,000 times more people every year than firearms
How many knife murders do you have ? still they target the AR 15 which sells for around $1800.00 and each bullet it fires costs $3.00 im curious ....exactly how many people could afford to buy these things and fire 100 rounds at a cost of $300 in this economy I forgot to add an AR 15 is about 4 foot long and 2 foot wide with the clip you cant hide one in your pocket ...its not a set of car keys You could spot someone carrying one 200 yards away and these have been targeted as more dangerous than a hand gun that could be hidden in your pocket..... think about it ! |
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Most all the half-wit libs posting have no clue as to the difference in an full-auto and semi-auto.
They lump them into the same category. The AR15 is semi-auto. That means, auto-loading. There are all sorts of auto-load pistols and rifles. These are legal. The illegal weapons the dumbasses are whining about are the M16 type that can go full-auto. Meaning, you hold the trigger down and it keeps firing. Hussein says guns of war and stupid libs believe semi-auto are guns of war. PS This should be the only weapon sold to half-witted libs; 
I still love the idea of taxing folks who don't have weapons. The could be exempted if, They were declared mentally unstable Signed away their right to vote Registered their names and put a sign at their addresses as Gun Free Zones. |
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There are virtually no guns in Europe. So we have two ends of a spectrum. Europe, and the US. One has as many guns as citizens, and the other we are going to say has virtually no guns. In the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. These numbers are a few years old, but it doesn't matter, they have not changed that much since. I know math is not many peoples strong suit, and even less so of those that put forth articles like the one in the OP, but lets take a second and ask a few questions. What is the ratio of guns, to murder in these countries. If we say Europe has virtually 0 guns, and the US has 330 million guns, then we should be able to create a ratio of these two numbers and the murders should follow suit and be close to the same ratio . . Now I am too charitable to compare 0 to 311 million, create a ratio and pretend that is accurate, so instead I actually looked up some research on how many guns are in the hands of civilians in the UK. Karp, Aaron.2007.‘Completing the Count: Civilian firearms: Annexes online.’ Small Arms Survey 2007: Guns and the City.Cambridge:Cambridge University Press,27 August. (Q6493)Full Citation The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United Kingdom is 4,060,0001 The FBI estimates that there are over 200 million privately-owned firearms in the US. If you add those owned by the military, law enforcement agencies and museums, there is probably about 1 gun per person in the country.
(US) 311m citizens \ 200m guns (UK) 56m citizens \ 4m guns Ratio of Murder: 5 per 100K / 1.4 per 100K If the number of guns made a difference in the number of murders then the UK should have 36 million guns, not 4 million. The US should have a murder rate of 22.2 per 100 thousand. This is a difference of a power of 4. The correlation is off, and not by a small amount. What this shows you is that gun ownership is not the problem. That far more people have guns than use them irresponsible. Good Reply! Thanks for Your Response. |
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The problem (one of several) with the original article you posted is that it is a faked reactionary piece meant to sway ignorant people into the concept of banning guns.
There was no "AR15" style gun used in the Connecticut school shooting. Check your facts. |
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The problem (one of several) with the original article you posted is that it is a faked reactionary piece meant to sway ignorant people into the concept of banning guns. There was no "AR15" style gun used in the Connecticut school shooting. Check your facts. Watch. Your comment will be ignored by Libs. Facts don't fly with half-wit libs. They make chit up and believe it. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkl0gSOu3QMDo you NEED an assault rifle? Do you need a pistol capable of firing 10 or more rounds without reload?
Hmm, I guess that depends where you find yourself. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkl0gSOu3QMDo you NEED an assault rifle? Do you need a pistol capable of firing 10 or more rounds without reload? Hmm, I guess that depends where you find yourself. You seem to make more logic. |
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The problem (one of several) with the original article you posted is that it is a faked reactionary piece meant to sway ignorant people into the concept of banning guns. There was no "AR15" style gun used in the Connecticut school shooting. Check your facts. Watch. Your comment will be ignored by Libs. Facts don't fly with half-wit libs. They make chit up and believe it. This is just One of articles off the Net. No need to Insult individuals. |
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The problem (one of several) with the original article you posted is that it is a faked reactionary piece meant to sway ignorant people into the concept of banning guns. There was no "AR15" style gun used in the Connecticut school shooting. Check your facts. Watch. Your comment will be ignored by Libs. Facts don't fly with half-wit libs. They make chit up and believe it. This is just One of articles off the Net. No need to Insult individuals. I insulted not one individual. Do you believe the article as fact? What is your comment on this FACT? There was no "AR15" style gun used in the Connecticut school shooting. |
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Hussein says; '"There should be more background checks on people buying guns"....unless you're the Obama administration and you want to sell them to Mexican drug cartels. 
Great point!!!....Loved it! |
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I like Colberts take on it
basically, he says its not violent movies, we arent the only country with violent movies its not the violent video games, we arent the only country with those its not the guns, we arent the only country with guns its not craziness, we arent the only country with crazie,, but wait we are the only country with the level of CRAZY we have ,,,, lol |
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