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LOL! I care, massage admitted that most of the points on that page are correct

So you deny that most of them are true?

Nah, I don't really want to argue any of the points.

Nah, I don't really want to argue any of the points. I know some are unfounded, especially the later ones.

That link served it's purpouse like the link to quackwatch served it's purpouse.

Then perhaps you would like to refute the points in the link?

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/evo_science.html

There are still photographs and motion video of LIVE microorganisms taken under that microscope.

Then perhaps you would like to refute the points in the link?

Do you deny that he had an optical, high-resolution microscope?

And any time someone attacks the poster, I KNOW they have no intelligent rebuttal...

That ALL the beauty of God's creation will be revealed...

You admit that DCA is promising and you still call it "quackery"?
I suppose we should suppress DCA too?

R. Rife himself said that the machines built by Hoyland didn't work consistently.

I'm just providing links, I'm not making any claims about the efficacy of any treatments.

Do you deny that he had an optical, high-resolution microscope?

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610806003722

Summary

The unique metabolic profile of cancer (aerobic glycolysis) might confer apoptosis resistance and be therapeutically targeted. Compared to normal cells, several human cancers have high mitochondrial membrane potential (ΔΨm) and low expression of the K+ channel Kv1.5, both contributing to apoptosis resistance. Dichloroacetate (DCA) inhibits mitochondrial pyruvate dehydrogenase kinase (PDK), shifts metabolism from glycolysis to glucose oxidation, decreases ΔΨm, increases mitochondrial H2O2, and activates Kv channels in all cancer, but not normal, cells; DCA upregulates Kv1.5 by an NFAT1-dependent mechanism. DCA induces apoptosis, decreases proliferation, and inhibits tumor growth, without apparent toxicity. Molecular inhibition of PDK2 by siRNA mimics DCA. The mitochondria-NFAT-Kv axis and PDK are important therapeutic targets in cancer; the orally available DCA is a promising selective anticancer agent.

Received 25 November 2005. Revised 12 July 2006. Accepted 18 October 2006. Available online 16 January 2007. Published:

Results of phase II clinical trials

In in vitro studies, Evangelos Michelakis of University of Alberta found that in tissue samples from 49 patients, DCA caused depolarization of mitochondria in GBM tissue but not in normal brain tissue.[15]

Five palliative patients with primary GBM were entered into a phase II trial. Three had not responded to several chemotherapies; two were newly diagnosed. After surgical removal of tumor mass, they were treated with DCA and chemotherapy.[15]

Of the five patients tested, one died after three months. The surviving four were followed for 15 months. Their Karnofsky scores were unchanged in two cases, and decreased by 10 points in two patients.[15]

DCA was associated with tumor regression and had a good safety profile. DCA side effects were minimal.[15]

Michelakis is proceeding with phase three human studies with private funding from philanthropic groups and individuals. DCA's legal status as a discovery is public domain because it was made or discovered as far back as 1864[16] and has been used in the treatment of canine and human lactic acidosis, some who presented at the beginning of treatment with cancer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEt5zd3YYHw

Modern revival, marketing, and health fraud

Interest in Rife was revived in the 1980s by author Barry Lynes, who wrote a book about Rife entitled "The Cancer Cure That Worked". The book claimed that Rife's 'beam ray' device could cure cancer, but that all mention of his discoveries was suppressed in the 1930s by a wide-ranging conspiracy headed by the American Medical Association. The American Cancer Society described Lynes' claims as implausible, noting that the book was written "in a style typical of conspiratorial theorists" and defied any independent verification.[5]

In response to this renewed interest, devices bearing Rife's name began to be produced and marketed in the 1980s. Such 'Rife devices' have figured prominently in a number of cases of health fraud in the U.S., typically centered around the uselessness of the devices and the grandiose claims with which they are marketed. In a 1996 case, the marketers of a 'Rife device' claiming to cure numerous diseases including cancer and AIDS were convicted of felony health fraud.[14] The sentencing judge described them as "target[ing] the most vulnerable people, including those suffering from terminal disease" and providing false hope.[15] In 2002 John Bryon Krueger, who operated the Royal Rife Research Society, was sentenced to 12 years in prison for his role in a murder and also received a concurrent 30-month sentence for illegally selling Rife devices. In 2009 a U.S. court convicted James Folsom of 26 felony counts for sale of the Rife devices sold as 'NatureTronics', 'AstroPulse', 'BioSolutions', 'Energy Wellness', and 'Global Wellness'. [16]

Several deaths have resulted from the use of Rife machines in place of standard medical treatment. In one case, a U.S. court found that the marketer of a Rife device had violated the law and that, as a result of her actions, a cancer patient had ceased chemotherapy and died.[17] In Australia, the use of Rife machines has been blamed for the deaths of cancer patients who might have been cured with conventional therapy.[8]

In 1994, the American Cancer Society reported that Rife machines were being sold in a "pyramid-like, multilevel marketing scheme". A key component in the marketing of Rife devices has been the claim, initially put forward by Rife himself, that the devices were being suppressed by an establishment conspiracy against cancer "cures".[5] Although 'Rife devices' are not registered by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and have been linked to deaths among cancer sufferers, the Seattle Times reported that over 300 people attended the 2006 Rife International Health Conference in Seattle, where dozens of unregistered devices were sold.[9]

http://www.naturalnews.com/z022389.html

Here's something for you to ignore...

"You just limit yourself to God and throw science in the mix to a religion that once believed atoms didn't even exist."

Hebrews 11:3
King James Version (KJV)

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (hint: atoms)


You seem to be confused about the difference between what people say vs what is written in the Bible. I am well aware of how people have used misinterpretations and/or outright lies to persuade people into believing all kinds of crazy things. But, for a non-Christian to do it, well, that just proves to me that most people who claimed to have read the Bible, really haven't.

Do you also realise that the Bible does not specify a world-wide flood?

(feel free to claim it was just a joke and run from this challenge)

It's just sad to see science that was once labeled evil by christians is now being used to try and prove their myth is an existing myth.