good to see you again smo...nice bike...

handcuff them...throw them in a room alone..and walk away....

thats a great plan...

I had a vasectomy 25 yrs ago...the responsible thing to do

wouldnt expect you to say anything else...no surprize

?????? ok then ?????

Amen brother....why would we possibly feel it necessary to put a 45 yr old
woman in a room IN HANDCUFFS ....???....unbelievable....we are in trouble.

Flier Dies After Being Handcuffed
Daughter-In-Law Of New York's Public Advocate
POSTED: 1:49 pm PDT September 29, 2007
UPDATED: 9:55 am PDT September 30, 2007

PHOENIX -- A 45-year-old woman who was in police custody after being arrested for disorderly conduct in a Phoenix airport terminal died in a holding room while apparently struggling with her handcuffs, police said.
Carol Ann Gotbaum, 45, left alone in the room, was possibly trying to break free from the handcuffs when she got them entangled around her neck, said Sgt. Andy Hill of the Phoenix Police Department.
Hill said a medical examiner will have to make a final determination as to the manner and cause of death.
Gotbaum is the daughter-in-law of New York City Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum, the Daily News reported in Sunday editions.

"We are extraordinarily upset," said Gotbaum.
She added that her daughter-in-law had three young children.
Gotbaum spoke briefly to media across the street from her Manhattan building on Sunday.
"It's obviously very, very difficult for us, we are dealing with it as best we can. My number one focus is those children and my stepson. I hope the press will consider our feelings and please, please, please don't ask us any more questions," she said.
The flier went into medical distress and lost consciousness, Hill said.
Officers administered CPR and firefighters joined in when they arrived at Terminal 4, but their sustained efforts could not revive her.
According to witnesses, Friday afternoon's incident at Sky Harbor International Airport began when Gotbaum was unable to board her flight and started arguing with a gate attendant, Hill said.
Gotbaum was denied entry to a US Airways Express flight headed to Tucson because she was late arriving at the gate and the plane was already preparing to depart, US Airways spokesman Derek Hanna said Saturday.
She was rebooked on the next flight, but "she became extremely irate, apparently running up and down the gate area."
A number of witnesses told officers they observed Gotbaum yelling and screaming while running through the terminal, according to Hill.
Two officers who initially responded approached her as she was going past the security checkpoint area back into the terminal, Hill said.
The officers were not able to calm Gotbaum and eventually arrested her for disorderly conduct, Hill said.
Woman Enraged, Witnesses Say
Gotbaum initially resisted being handcuffed, but she was finally taken into custody near the security checkpoint, according to Hill.
The woman was whisked to a police holding room office in terminal 4.
A number of police employees were in the room at the time, Hill said. Gotbaum was placed in an individual holding room by herself in handcuffs.
When officers outside the door did not hear her voice, they went in to check on her and found her unconscious.
Second Airport Scare In Two Days
On Thursday, firefighters and police officers revived a 68-year-old woman who collapsed at Sky Harbor as she waited for a shuttle bus.
Airport spokeswoman Julie Rodriguez said the woman was unresponsive and not breathing after she collapsed.
Officers at the scene began chest compressions and rescue breathing and used an automated external defibrillator that had been on a wall.
When firefighters arrived, they used the defibrillator again, and that's when the woman's pulse returned.
She was the 17th person to be saved by an automated external defibrillator since the devices were installed at the airport in late 2000.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/640795881/495923
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Another case of strong arm tactics run amok...when are we as citizens gonna say enough is enough.??...Or how many of you think she deserved this?....

he may prefer goats also...doesnt matter to me..

September 18, 2007 (LPAC)—The following petition from the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee (LPAC) is being circulated across the United States by, and to, state and local elected officials, and to labor movement leaders, and other elected leaders, for presentation to the U.S. Congress. Emergency enactment of this bill is needed to erect a "firewall" to protect the life savings of American citizens, and to ensure that the hedge funds receive not one penny of bailout from the U.S. or any other government.

Currently, we are soliciting signatures and endorsements for this petition, from elected officials, labor leaders, and constituency group leaders, only. If you would like to endorse this petition, please send an email to, lpacpetition@gmail.com, include your full name and your organization (for identification purposes only.)

The onrushing financial crisis engulfing home mortgages, debt instruments of all types, and the banking system of the United States, threatens to set off an economic depression worse than the 1930s.

Millions of American citizens are threatened with foreclosure and loss of their homes over the upcoming months, according to studies released by RealtyTrac and Moody's Economy.com.

The hedge funds which spread this financial collapse among markets worldwide, by dominating speculation in all those markets, are now going bankrupt and demanding government bailout of their securities and derivatives. The nominal value of the derivatives based on mortgages alone is the size of the combined GDP of the nations of the world. The hedge funds, the mortgage-backed securities, the financial derivatives {can not} be bailed out.

This financial crisis is now threatening the integrity of both state and Federally chartered banks, as typified by the run on deposits of Northern Rock mortgage bank in Britain in September and Countrywide Financial in California during the month of August; and such a banking collapse would wipe out the life savings of American citizens, and drastically undermine the economic stability of our states and cities.

In a similar financial crisis in the 1930s, President Franklin D. Roosevelt intervened to protect banks and homeowners; for example in April 1933, he introduced legislation as a "declaration of national policy ... that the broad interests of the Nation require that special safeguards should be thrown around home ownership as a guarantee of social and economic stability..." One month earlier, his Bank Holiday reorganized the nation's failing banks under Federal protection.

The principles of the Homeowners and Bank Protection Act of 2007, proposed by economist Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., meet this crisis. It requires emergency action that only the United States Congress has the capability to enact. This act includes the following provisions:

Congress must establish a Federal agency to place the Federal and state chartered banks under protection, freezing all existing home mortgages for a period of however many months or years are required to adjust the values to fair prices, and restructure existing mortgages at appropriate interest rates. Further, this action would also write off all of the speculative debt obligations of mortgage-backed securities, derivatives, and other forms of Ponzi Schemes that have brought the banking system to the point of bankruptcy.
During the transitional period, all foreclosures shall be frozen, allowing American families to retain their homes. Monthly payments, the equivalent of rental payments, shall be made to designated banks, which can use the funds as collateral for normal lending practices, thus recapitalizing the banking systems. These affordable monthly payments will be factored into new mortgages, reflecting the deflating of the housing bubble, and the establishment of appropriate property valuations, and reduced fixed mortgage interest rates. This shakeout will take several years to achieve. In the interim period no homeowner shall be evicted from his or her property, and the Federal and state chartered banks shall be protected, so they can resume their traditional functions, serving local communities, and facilitating credit for investment in productive industries, agriculture, infrastructure, etc.
State governors shall assume the administrative responsibilities for implementing the program, including the "rental" assessments to designated banks, with the Federal government providing the necessary credits and guarantees to assure the successful transition.
I urge the Congress of the United States to pass legislation embodying these three principles immediately, as emergency legislation, halting a "tsunami" of foreclosures, keeping millions of American families in their homes to avert social chaos, and protecting chartered lending banks of the United States and the states.

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/09/18/petition-congress-implement-homeowners-and-bank-protection-a.html
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I am forwarding this to my representatives in congress....would encourage anyone concerned to do the same...

it's the constitution that has sold me...no one else..in either party is
talking about it...

why he should be elected

http://www.ronpaul.org/

6min....

straw poll results:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/

Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Records (Win-Lose-Tie):
Rudy Giuliani 23-3-0
Mitt Romney 15-11-0
Fred Thompson 13-12-0
John McCain 22-3-0
Mike Huckabee 21-3-1
Sam Brownback 22-2-1
Tom Tancredo 23-1-0
Duncan Hunter 22-2-0

raising money a dollar at a time from average americans..
no pac's here folks:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/features/quarter3/quarter3.swf

could we get her to make out with george bush for a while.??...


oh I forgot...he prefers men...

found this elsewhere..if it has been posted here before I apologize...it is interesting...

The next time you’re washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn'tjust how you like it; think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their annual bath in May, and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence, the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.
Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the niceclean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence, the saying, “don't throw the baby out with the bath water”.
Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence, the saying, “it's raining cats and dogs”.
There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.
The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, “dirt poor”.
The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until,when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway. Hence, the saying a “thresh hold”.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and thenstart over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence,
the rhyme, “peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old”.
Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, “bring home the bacon”. They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and “chew the fat”.
Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach into the food, causing death by lead poisoning. This happened most often with tomatoes, so,for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the “upper crust”.
Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would
gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence, the custom of holding “a wake”.

8sGr8 ....you must be realizing by now that most around here have no
interest in any point of view that does not reflect the propaganda of
fox news or the latest white house press release...you're beating your
head against the wall my friend...

which is why I have moved on to other websites that are more open to
discussion and not childish name calling...

better give up on this place...just look at the topics being discussed here
lately...it's like standing outside a high school during recess....

so the assumption here is that our judicial system never makes a mistake
and as a result executes innocent people...great.....from the responses here it is obvious
no one spends much time looking into the truth about this in our society...

such little regard for life "kill them all" "eye for an eye"..."express lane"..
"stop wasting my tax money"....we have truly become the worlds worst enemy
afterall...

Jess642,,,,I'm with you completely...I cannot understand the callous support of
a war against the innocent...

anoasis ....yep...the american experiment is over...no one cares..

silly people

you won't get many comments around here with anything to do with unions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KHUbuhgpQ

I understand this...